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In my years around the block I have heard of Rational Recovery (an alternative to the 12-step programs like AA) but have never heard of Rational Homophobia.

I found this diddy over at restate.com this morning:
http://www.redstate.com/...

Homophobia Is Rational
By: stridentconservative (Diary)  |  February 6th, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Homophobe – Homophobia (noun): irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

The state of Illinois, joining 9 other states and the District of Columbia, is one step closer to sanctioning homosexual marriage. I am opposed to homosexual marriage. The Boy Scouts of America is considering a change in policy that would allow homosexuals to become members and scout leaders. I oppose these changes.

The Obama administration has proposed immigration reform legislation that would include measures that support same-sex marriages. While I support efforts to fix America’s illegal immigration problems, I oppose this proposal. The Administration is also about to announce military benefits to same-sex couples—possibly in violation of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). I cannot support this policy.

I also refuse to use politically-correct, definition-redefining words such as gay or lesbian when discussing homosexual issues.

Needless to say, liberals accuse me of being a hateful homophobe on a fairly regular basis, even though the word “hate” doesn’t appear in the definition. I will have to admit, however, that I have a “fear” of homosexuality, but not homosexuals. My fear is that the spread of homosexuality, along with other forms of Hedonism, will result in the end of American greatness.

The pro-homosexual crowd calls this irrational, but it is actually very rational to oppose something you fear.

When a burglar invades my home, it’s rational to fear the outcome of his intentions. And it’s also rational to take appropriate measures to prevent those outcomes. It is, therefore, just as rational to fear the ultimate result of moral decline in America. And it’s rational to take appropriate measures to prevent that result.

The behavior of Westboro Baptist Church? Irrational. Standing for traditional marriage and the Boy Scouts of America by supporting laws and policies that will protect them? Rational. Muslims imposing the death penalty for homosexuality? Irrational. Christians standing firm in their faith while insisting on a return to the biblical values held for generations all the way back to our Founding Fathers? Rational.

By the way, those of you who just read those words and thought, “America is not a Christian Nation; it was founded by deist,” are ignorant of history. While America isn’t a theocracy, it was indeed founded on Christian values. Or is it just a coincidence that 24 of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence held seminary or Bible school degrees?

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
–Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

“I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
–The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

“Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
–Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University March 9, 1790.

Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

“And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace.”
–As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
–The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society

“By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.

“The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement “for the sins of the whole world,” and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve.”
–In God We Trust—The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers, p. 379.

In retrospect, I have to admit to holding some hatred when I think about moral decay in America.

I hate how today’s churches have become so emasculated they spend more time tickling ears than they do preaching the crucified Christ. More time abusing God’s grace than they do preaching on the wages of sin. More time motivating congregations to have a healthy self-esteem instead of preaching about the need to crucify the flesh.

And I hate how those failures have resulted in the current state of affairs in America. From moral decay to the death of conscience; from a degenerate church to the world’s loss of interest in religion; from an unethical press to political corruption; the fault lies in the pulpit of today’s churches. Surprisingly, this is not a new condition in America:

If immorality prevails in the land, the fault is ours in a great degree. If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discrimination, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in religion, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that the very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it. Let us not ignore this fact, my dear brethren; but let us lay it to heart, and be thoroughly awake to our responsibility in respect to the morals of this nation.
- Charles G. Finney 1792 – 1875

You know, it looks like I might also be a churchaphobe.

Okay folks ---- Is the effing UNBELIEVABLE or what!

Is it me? Could this really be written in 2013? Yep. Sad, but true.

Originally posted to redstatesucks on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:14 AM PST.

Also republished by Angry Gays.

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  •  Amazing (5+ / 0-)

    I'm a LITTLE heartened by one of the comments over there,  the one that says "First Amendment but you DO would like the Westboro Baptist Church people," but here's the issue.  Loving the sinner but hating the sin?

    Methinks the writer has demons that the writer is not doing very well at suppressing, since I'm not going to guess at gender here (although I'm over 90% sure it's my gender too).

    -7.75, -8.10; . . . Seneca Falls, Selma and Stonewall (h/t cooper888)

    by Dave in Northridge on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:33:24 AM PST

  •  These are people who are stuck in the past and (2+ / 0-)
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    can barely contain their need to oppress and subordinate others to their stultified view of life and Jesus.  They will fall by the wayside never to return when their time is at the ebb.  They will lament and cringe and say, "but I love people (just not those people) and I am right because I speak for the devine, but they only speak for their world that is on the slow or fast track to demise.

  •  I love how they cherry pick so called quotes from (3+ / 0-)

    our Founding Father's regarding their personal, religious beliefs, especially Thomas Jefferson who remained an avid student of literally EVERYTHING (including every religion known to man) until the day he died and as his knowledge and wisdom increased, he was never afraid to challenge beliefs he long held dear and more often than not, the end result was a personal shift for him regarding those beliefs. If the increased knowledge he obtained only corroborated and confirmed his beliefs, he acknowledged it, but most importantly, when that knowledge and/or experience pointed to flaws or hypocrisies or out and out proved him wrong, he acknowledged and embraced that as well.

    But regardless of what our founders may have believed regarding religion on a personal level, they were pretty fucking unanimous in their agreement that religion was NOT a part of our Constitution or our Government.  Religion of ANY kind. Period. This was by very deliberate design.

    It's a little concept I have now dubbed, "Rational Revolutionaries".

    (Rational Homophobia, honky, please...)

    "An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..

    by mindara on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:40:32 AM PST

    •  The TJ quote was actually meant as anti-establishe (5+ / 0-)

      religion i.e., TJ considered himself a true follower of Christ, to the extent he tried to reform the Bible, and therefore, quite distinct from the standard Christians of his day.  He would have despised those who invoke him today  

      •  Oh, you bet he would...as would all the Founder's (3+ / 0-)

        they so love to quote...George Washington, in particular, was not in any way, shape or form a fan of organized religions. And while Benjamin Franklin was a very devout Christian, he firmly believed in seperation of church and state as well as science, common sense (sounds like the title of a book, doesn't it ;) and as with all of our founders', believed fervently in public education of the masses, freedom of the press (not corporately owned monopolies) and public libraries. And that's just to start with.

        "An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..

        by mindara on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:11:04 AM PST

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  •  In other news, water is wet (2+ / 0-)
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    Conservatives are anti-gay, anti-women, anti-blah people, etc.  I don't know why anyone would be surprised when they try to rationalize their hateful views.  The Steve Kings and Rush Limbaughs of the world - and all of their little worshippers - are not going to have an overnight epiphany where they wake up progressive.  Change will happen - despite these folks, not because of them.

    So, continue to be surprised/shocked, but this is who they are.

    •  They're Fundamentalists and Regardless of Whether (3+ / 0-)
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      Christian, Islamic or whatever, fundamentalists are all basically the same mindset. All you do is swap in the proper noun of their god, and you keep all the same attitudes and practices toward women, sex, science, education and authoritarianism. Hat tip to Hal Sparks who frequently rants on this theme.

      These people are far more supportive of the original intent of the Taliban than of our framers.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:50:59 AM PST

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  •  Convenient Forgetfullness (1+ / 0-)
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    The bible prescribes rules about a lot of different things... should we discriminate against everyone that breaks bible rules and should we develop phobias for everything that is forbidden?

    So lets be Tat-a-phobes... Tattoos are forbidden by the bible.  

    Shrimp-a-phobe - Be afraid of Captain D's... because eating shrimp is an Abomination (just like being gay)... oh the humanity of shrimp-eaters and their hatred of god...

    Wal-Mart-a-phobes because surely you can't wear garments made of mixed fabrics... those cotton/poly pantsuits are the devil's work...

    Buzz-a-phobes... Be very afraid of Super-Cuts because you're not supposed to get the hair on the side of your head cut... should I have a rational fear of the hair stylists if they invade my home or should I relax and enjoy the forbidden trim and dye...

    And of course Newt-a-phobe....  because Divorce is Adultery and Adultery is against the ten commandments.  Divorcees, also known as ten commandment breakers scare me... should we start to discriminate against them and ban them from the boy scouts?  Will they teach the boys to randomly marry and divorce?  Nobody is equating divorcees with pedophilia... do we need to start?

    These freaks need to get a life...

    Hypocrites.

    oh... and by the way....selective use of the bible is also prohibited in... wait for it... the bible

    Bunch of hypocrites...  they may me sick...
    Oh no.. maybe I'm a hypocrite-a-phobe...
    oh no!!!

    Radical Activist Homosexual Agenda: 1. Equality 2. See #1

    by skip945 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:50:41 AM PST

    •  Hypocrites, indeed (2+ / 0-)
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      Great point, Conveninet Forgetfulness. They truly are hypocritical in the literal sense. Just yesterday this regular poster over there wrote this horrific rant (posted by PowerToThePeople):

      “I hope we do return to coat hanger days, that way when women die trying to murder their baby, maybe the next one will think twice. But nice plug for your abortion beliefs.
      And before you ask, I have no problem with women dying due to abortions and have no problem returning to it being illegal for doctors to perform them and if they do, they go to jail. None at all. If someone was trying to murder me, I would do my best to kill them so if a woman dies trying to murder a baby, hey, ya had it coming.”

      http://www.redstate.com/...

  •  fear may be a rational first response to an (2+ / 0-)
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    unfamiliar situation, such as turning down the wrong street on the wrong side of town but familiarity dispels that
    fear with time.  In other words, if you have never been around African Americans, for example, you may have a fear response upon meeting some for the first time or you may not.  However, if you do have a fear response, this should diminish with time.

    So why would a fear response persist? (BTW a phobia can never be rational, by definition)  It persists because of paranoia, for example, which is an irrational fear, or it may be because you don't have further experiences, say because you isolate or sequester yourself, which is also an abnormal response or because of other coping mechanisms, none of which is rational.

    In short, for a fear state to persist is not normal; for it to persist is pathological and while calling its persistence, rational  may give you some comfort, it is also a sign of pathological behavior on your part.

    •  Probably a repressed homosexual himself. (1+ / 0-)
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      Any rational heterosexual welcomes homosexuals (at least of their own gender) as it increases the chance of getting a mate. If all those gay guys who love clothes, decorating, and talking about their feelings were dating women I would still be a virgin.

      •  had not thought of that aspect (1+ / 0-)
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        but what chance would a guy who talks football all the time, cultivates body hair, belches the alphabet incorrectly and reeks of beer bombs have indeed?  

        •  Obviously you are afraid of a burglar in your home (1+ / 0-)
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          By definition, a person who is a criminal, who plans and may be carrying out a crime with an actual victim (as opposed to "crimes" like smoking pot). What that has to do with gays is exactly nothing.

          All this moron does is show how utterly irrational he is. First compares existence of a person to an actual crime, throws in questionable quotes from 2 centuries ago that have no relevance. And if his contempt is not clear, refers to churches that don't hate gays as "emasculated" because NOTHING could be worse than being insufficiently masculine.

        •  I was thinking of this video that came out (1+ / 0-)
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          before the election: Gay men will marry your girlfriends. This is a chilling prospect to any straight guy.

  •  Typical right-wing "Christian", only interested (0+ / 0-)

    in Jesus dead and crucified, not alive and preaching; thus he never has to think about anything the living Christ actually said...

    Coming to the conclusion that the cohort that refers to themselves as "Christians", mostly aren't.

    Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

    by eataTREE on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:55:49 AM PST

  •  Yes, (0+ / 0-)

    that is what passes for 'rational' at redstate.  it is also what passes for scholarship there.

    Which makes it all the more frustrating that anyone buys their BS.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:57:43 AM PST

  •  It simply depends on who wants to do it (2+ / 0-)
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    Muslims imposing the death penalty for homosexuality? Irrational.
    Christians imposing the death penalty for homosexuality?  Rational.
    American evangelists active in Africa are being criticised for being responsible for inspiring the legislation by inciting hatred with excessive speech by comparing homosexuality to paedophilia and influencing public policy with donations from American religious organisations.

    FOX News: For entertainment purposes only. Not to be confused with actual news broadcasting.

    by IowaBiologist on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:24:24 AM PST

  •  Patrick Henry was NOT a Constitution ratifier (3+ / 0-)
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    In fact, he fought ratification with every fiber of his being, and used his position as leader in the Virginia legislature to block ratification... and at the time, if Virginia wasn't on board, the other states wouldn't be either.  It was only through efforts of his nemesis, James Madison, that Virginia ratified the Constitution.

    Just sayin'

  •  It is strongly irrational to fear something (2+ / 0-)
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    to fear something which does not have any effect on you and which does you no harm.  Gay rights harms no one and has no effect on straights other than, perhaps, to make homophobes uncomfortable by forcing them to acknowledge that the GLBT community exists and are actual PEOPLE, not monsters under the bed.

    I'll bet his definition of "moral decline" includes the following:

    * women being allowed to vote
    * birth control to limit family size
    * women working outside the home
    * abortion
    *African Americans having civil rights
    *not being able to sexually harass those women who dare work outside the home
    * Latinos having any rights

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:13:50 AM PST

    •  "Moral decline," (1+ / 0-)
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      for people like him, conveniently includes anything that might question or interfere with their own agenda to take over the country and impose a new dark age.

      FOX News: For entertainment purposes only. Not to be confused with actual news broadcasting.

      by IowaBiologist on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 12:20:25 PM PST

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    •  I've actually read of "moral decline" being used (0+ / 0-)

      to decry post-WWII home appliances that would leave housewives with too much time on their hands.

      And it turned out to be all too true: women turned to feminism and smoking and witchcraft and and wearing pants.

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:50:04 PM PST

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  •  Cribbed from David Barton? (2+ / 0-)
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    Or is it just a coincidence that 24 of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence held seminary or Bible school degrees?
    This statement, among others, suggests that the author of this screed got much of his material from the pseudohistory of David Barton.

    Chris Rodda's YouTube video:

    David Barton's lie that more than half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were ministers

    FOX News: For entertainment purposes only. Not to be confused with actual news broadcasting.

    by IowaBiologist on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:57:39 AM PST

  •  This one begs for an explanation (1+ / 0-)
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    the spread of homosexuality, along with other forms of Hedonism,
    Only in this idiot's sick (and decidedly NOT rational) mind is anything "spreading." Does he (I assume the writer is male but perhaps I'm being presumptuous) think same-sex attraction is some sort of fad? In addition, there is the unexamined presumption that homosexuality is somehow linked with "hedonism." I've heard that before--gays (and people usually are referring to gay men) are all about self-indulgence and so on. The presumption is that, were this not the case they'd grow up and marry someone of the opposite sex. The hidden implication is that heterosexual intercourse is something to be put up with rather than a source of pleasure to those for whom it is natural in just the way that same-sex sexual interaction is for those who find it natural for them.
    •  The ancient Greeks claimed homosexuality (1+ / 0-)
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      was imported from Persia; the Persians said it came from Greece. The French and English have historically blamed each other too.

      Gays need to go on the offensive and start taking credit for the Renaissance.

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:53:15 PM PST

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  •  Blah blah blah. The "moral decline" argument (0+ / 0-)

    has been applied to everything from ragtime music to home appliances (which will leave women with too much leisure time) and on and on.

    I stopped reading after "moral decline"; if any interesting typing happened after that, let me know.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:36:03 PM PST

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