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Idaho has its moments but this one could make even the NRA's Wayne LaPierre seem like a moderate. Amongst several pieces of gun legislation being considered... Well, I let the Idaho Statesman spell it out for you.

The other would strongly encourage school districts to allow teachers and other employees to be armed - or else face legal liabilities for creating gun-free zones, should a tragedy occur.

"I think they're liable now," Boyle said, while conceding she's "not sure if that's going to get consensus this year."

The holdup is that some GOP caucus members would prefer not to tackle the issue at all, while others want to move aggressively to make sure teachers have the firepower to stop an intruder like the one who killed 26 people in Newtown, Conn., she said.

Yup. You read that right. If you don't arm yourself and kids get killed it's your fault and you will be sued and prosecuted for it. Arm yourself or else.

h/t to SuWho for this story.

Originally posted to ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 12:53:15 PM PST

  •  many of those jerks were singing (8+ / 0-)

    a different tune just a month ago

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/...

    Imagine having an armed man follow kids around.   There are plenty of unhinged parents, a few teachers who do odd things, other service staf,  do we really want dozens of people carrying guns around kids.  Leaving them in the bathroom or a desk drawer or the lunchroom table for kids to get at?

  •  New school rules... (9+ / 0-)

    All students will have a two hour watch along the wire in addition to class responsibilities.

    Falling asleep or neglecting your watch will be grounds for prosecution.

    All persons approaching the school gate/checkpoint will be required to dismount and be searched before entering school grounds.

    /snark  

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:08:17 PM PST

    •  You say snark (6+ / 0-)

      I say next year's legislation in Oklahomastan or Alabamadad. :P

      What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:11:37 PM PST

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      •  don't some schools already have metal detectors? (1+ / 0-)
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        LilithGardener

        I know some have armed guards because one left his weapon in a washroom a few weeks ago

        •  Yeah, but metal detectors are passive security (2+ / 0-)
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          SuWho, LilithGardener

          ID wants teachers (and the OC snark about kids) to be active in that security. Armed and ready to fire to prevent harm. And punished if they fail to do so.

          What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

          by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:18:40 PM PST

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          •  Oh I would set the metal detector up in a (2+ / 0-)
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            SuWho, LilithGardener

            crossfire.  A couple of MG nests and a bunker where my desk would be and I am ready to go.  Matter of fact I can get a used detector from a defunct strip club down the road so I can even provide my own.  I am Idaho-bound

            •  Well, don't move... yet (1+ / 0-)
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              SuWho

              They say it might take a year to get this legislation passed. I'm sure they're blaming liberals for putting their "precious children" at risk of gun violence. :P

              What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

              by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:22:49 PM PST

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              •  great that gives me time to order (1+ / 0-)
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                JeffW

                a TOW just for the hardcases that might not respond to ordinary precautions  (Disclaimer: I did almost buy a demilitarized tank but only because it came with a 60' disc and 30' chisel plow)

      •  Thank you, ontheleftcoast, (2+ / 0-)
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        ontheleftcoast, LilithGardener

        For putting the story out there. It reeks of ALEC legislation to me too, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it all over the place.

        "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." Anais Nin

        by SuWho on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 07:04:59 PM PST

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  •  just yesterday (5+ / 0-)

    A Boise area student was carrying a folding shovel for a class project which was reported as suspicious - lock down for 2 hours, 3+ police departments responded, guns drawn. Imagine if the teacher had a gun handy & decided to save the world? No link im on my phone but its front page at ktvb.com could have been a disaster.

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:29:49 PM PST

    •  but a folding shovel is a weapon (3+ / 0-)
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      Well it could be.  Had a friend who was at Frozen Chosin in Korea and in the bug out afterwards.  He said that at some point he lost his bayonet and his rifle was too long to allow him to fire inside his foxhole.  He said his regular issue folding shovel made a handy substitute for the bayonet

      OTOH I am amazed it went no farther as here we have had a kid kicked out of school for various offenses such as a used shotgun hull in his truck bed, another with a butter knife and finally one with two Midol

    •  Idaho must have it's share of idjits, one landed (0+ / 0-)

      in Atlanta yesterday with much fanfare...

      Joe Rickey Handley o
      f Idaho snip
      Bennett, who was seated in row 28 alongside Handley, told FBI agents that she tried to get her son to stop crying when Handley “told her to shut that ['N word'] baby up.”
      “Ms. Bennett stated that Joe Rickey Handley then turned around and slapped [the baby] in the face with an open hand, which caused the juvenile victim to scream even louder,” court documents said.
      The 33-year-old Minneapolis mother said the slap caused a scratch below her son’s right eye.
      The Smoking Gun identified Handley as president of an aircraft parts manufacturer headquartered in Hayden.
       Any bets on his political party affiliation?
      http://abcnews.go.com/...

      Be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

      by teabaggerssuckbalz on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 06:05:30 AM PST

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  •  super; if I teach, I have to create a gun free (2+ / 0-)
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    SuWho, LilithGardener

    zone?  I can just strap a .30 cal MG to my desk and woe-betide any miscreant who tries to enter my classroom with a gun.  Of course, I will have to install a metal detector at the door and restrict access to the room and install a metal door with a porthole and firing port to cover my part of the hall.

    Get my classroom ready and I am on my way to Idaho

  •  Is the Idaho (2+ / 0-)
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    ontheleftcoast, JeffW

    legislative chambers a gun-free zone? Just wondering whether lawmakers are happy to allow any random nut to carry a gun into their workplace, or whether, as in many other states, guns must be checked at the door.

    •  There used to be a ban on them but that was (5+ / 0-)

      lifted. But it gets WAY better...

      Idaho gun-nut lawmakers are very disturbed about an armed man who walked around the state Capitol building, alongside a tour of Cub and Boy Scouts, in part because he was armed.
      Yup, they were concerned with a gun was seen near children. That was from a story earlier this year.

      Assholes.

      What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:58:55 PM PST

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  •  The rationale goes like this.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge, noway2

    Off the top of my head, forgive any lack of details.

    First, you bring to mind the Warren Vs DC court case. That's the one where the ruling stated that police are not liable for any injuries / damages you receive due to their inaction or incompetence, and that they were not required to even respond adequately to your emergency phone call. This was in the late 1970's, before 911.

    Second, you bring to mind the Deshaney Vs Winnebago court case.
    That's the one where the cops are not legally duty-bound to provide protection to a person, even if they know that the person is a child and that child is in a home where that child will be physically abused again.

    Okay, from those two cases you see the main dismantling of the "To Serve And Protect" duties of the police officers. Can't hold them accountable if they don't show up, can't hold them accountable if they do a piss poor job if they do show up, can't hold them accountable if their incompetent action makes things worse, can't hold them accountable if their lack of action makes people dead!

    Legally, there was one final narrow loophole that might still provoke the duty "To Protect" into activation. Then the Gonzalez Vs Castle Rock came along. Gonzalez had a restraining order on her hubby while they were divorcing. He took the three kids. Because the court order applied to her as an individual, it might be logical to think that a violation of that order compelled the cops to act in an attempt to rescue the kidnapped children from the midst of the continuing crime. But they didn't do anything too strenuous, and the court ruled that even when the law is singling out an individual such as in the instance of a restraining order, even then the cops are not required to provide individual service when that restraining order is broken. Oh, and the dad in that case killed his children and then committed suicide by cop.

    So take those three landmark cases into your mind, and then you will see that the only remaining source of protection is that protection that you give yourself. The cops aren't required, the state isn't required, so it falls to you to handle your own.

    That, I think, is the thing that shocks the shit out of most liberals... The sudden realization that reality is quite out of alignment with what they had thought, and that it has been this way for decades! The Warren case was 1981. Deshaney was in 1989. More than two decades has the "cops don't serve and protect" been in place. That last gonzalez opening was, I think, just almost a decade ago in 05.

    Now, in this legal landscape of covering your own ass, insert a prohibition on covering your own ass, in the form of a no guns sign.

    The basic reasoning goes "If nobody else is legally guaranteed to come help my ass should something fucked up happen, then for damn sure nothing should prevent me from being able to cover my own ass! But if I HAVE to go somewhere that prevents me from covering my own ass, then for DAMN sure they better fill that void!"

    That's where the idea of the school district being legally liable for anything that happens to the kids during another madman tragedy. The kids are forced to be in school, and thus the school has to take steps to keep them safe, beyond the unenforced "gun free school zone" signs that do not actively do anything.

    An analogy would be....
    If I forced you to walk out onto a tightrope, it is me that is risking your life - you aren't doing it willingly. Even if you are a professional circus tightrope walker, it's not you pitting your skills against random chance this time. So I would have an obligation to protect you from the consequences of your fall. It's not the best analogy, but it's ten oclock.

    Of note, is that it is unspoken that teachers and school administration that wish to conceal carry during work hours would have to pass the requirements for their conceal carry permit and likely let the principal know of their intent. It's a hell of a lot easier to conceal than most seem to think. I think people look at a cop's gun sticking out from the belt and imagine a shirt hanging over that, when the cop's gunbelt is just about the most absurdly large thing in the holster universe.

    It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink. The answer is not more gun control, it's people care.

    by JayFromPA on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:52:23 PM PST

    •  Time for work (1+ / 0-)
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      noway2

      But I think I should add evidence to support that last couple sentences.

      As she puts it, she's just a regular girl, 28 years old, five foor four inches, 120 pounds.

      Many teachers could carry just like she demonstrates, without anyone knowing.

      It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink. The answer is not more gun control, it's people care.

      by JayFromPA on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 02:13:10 AM PST

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  •  Oh brilliant, let's play blame the victim - (0+ / 0-)

    in advance!

  •  I completely support this idea (0+ / 0-)

    If a place is going to prohibit someone from taking the measures they deem appropriate to ensure their safety, that place damn well better do something to protect the people or be both criminally and civilly liable.

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