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     Imagine applying to college and not getting in.  The college allows for all of the top ten percent of high school graduates to get in.  You were not accepted.  You did not meet the automatic acceptance criteria.  You can afford to attend any school you want to so you have to attend the second school of your choice from which you have already graduated.  Is this a matter that rises to the level of the Supreme Court?  Have you been so inconvenienced that the highest court in the land needs to hear of your harrowing ordeal of having to attend your second choice and judge those who have wronged you?
     Apparently that is the case for Abigail Fisher(Fisher vs University of Texas 2009).  When she was denied entrance to the University of Texas in 2008 she sued on the basis of racial discrimination.  She lost.  But undeterred she took her case higher and lost again.  But showing a scrappy underdogs fight somehow got her case all the way to the Supreme Court where it is presumed she should win based on the current conservative nature of this court(no decision as of this writing).
     This case brings up what I think of as the Rise of the White Mans Lament.  Whites perceive their power as being radically lower than what everyone else's perception and reality actually suggest.  They believe that in the race for diversity it has somehow weakened their stranglehold on the power structures in America and their social and economic advantages are being challenged or in danger.
     Reality would suggest that this is not true.  White people in America are not an oppressed minority.  I repeat, white people in America are not an oppressed minority.  Call me crazy but I cannot find any area of society where white people are hugely discriminated against.  I bet if you asked conservatives what is the most pressing civil rights issue in America today they would say that it is reverse racism or affirmative action.  Apparently being in control of every level of government,  all educational institutions, 99% of corporate boards, all of the entertainment industry, and every daily newspaper is not enough.  Crushing even the opportunities for minorities to somehow catch up seems to be de cause du celebre of the conservative movement.
    Just some facts.  The average white family has an average wealth of $100,000 compare that to the average family household wealth of around $5000.  Black males are six times more likely to be incarcerated than white males.  Black males represent 12% of drug users but 40% of drug arrest.  White high school graduates are more likely to enroll in college 47% to 41%.  I fail to see the institutional white biases in these numbers.  Actually what I see is the opposite of what the "oppressed white majority", seems to believe.
     How is somehow trying to figure out a way to make a school more racially diverse a matter of discrimination for someone with every advantage that our system can provide.  When a middle class white person of means is told you cannot attend your first school of choice they are able to attend another school because of the inherent privileges of being white.  At the same time in order to achieve some kind of false fairness and equivalence we dismantle diversity programs that disproportionally affect those who do not have the advantages of race and wealth.  Without the admittedly minor advantages that diversity programs have provided minority attendance rates would be dramatically lower.  This is not anecdotal it has been proven in states like California, Michigan, and New York where minority admissions are lower after the dismantling of their affirmative action programs.  So in order for a white person to be able to have everything they want minorities should just shut up and let "fairness" reign, regardless of the implications for a society as a whole.
     As the richest most diverse economic and politically stable country in the world it would seem to me that we would want to achieve the same kind of diversity within the social makeup of our country.  Maintaining a large singular ethnic stranglehold on wealth and power seems to me to be antithetical to everything the founding fathers fought for.  I guess I can see how Abigail Fisher can feel sort of aggrieved.  She wanted to attend  the  University of Texas and was not admitted.  I would be upset also.  But her responses are of those of a spoiled rich person who wants everything damn the consequences.  If she has her way their will be no more affirmative action in America and minorities and the poor would be deprived of the one thing that is guaranteed to raise economic outcomes and growth potential a college education.  Is this the response of everyone in America or are we a little better than spoiled Texas rich girls?

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  •  I think that the ajority of young White people, (4+ / 0-)
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    may be unfamiliar with the concept of White privilege and much of the history of Black people in this country. Particularly history of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement.

    I think that the more White people understand how things were for people only a few decades ago, they can better understand how things ARE right now.

    So many young White people I talk to have not seen overt racism around. Many I suspect really think that there is very little or no discrimination that artificially holds non-White peole back, and that affirmative action is a holdover from when it was needed in the past. They think that their own subjective experience of racism is the TRUTH rather than just their skewed perception.

    And since they think affirmative action is not necessary they feel wounded by official policy, wounded by what seems like an unfairness. They are experientially missing most of the data on the other side which is the reason why we have affirmative action.

    It may be the nature of humanity that members of a majority group (the predominant, more privleged, or more powerful group) whether it is the" majority" sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation, tend to thing that their own experience is the only experience and that the view from their standpoint is a view of the real experience of minorities. It is not. They (we) don't even know that they don't know.

    I'd hoped we were doing a better job in educating our young people about the real history of our country but clearly we are not.

    •  this illustrates the success of ALEC in controllin (3+ / 0-)
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      education, from TX text book selections to individual school boards subverted by Art Pope.  The racial history of our country has moved from being sanitized to being simply omitted.  The slave trade is now merely remarked upon  as part of the Triangular trade practices and reduces humans to the same status as casks of rum.  The Civil Rights Movement never happened, nor did Jim Crow and MLK never existed though Newt Gingrich did.

      Young white people are almost to be pitied as they don't realize how fleeting their privilege is and how quickly it disappears once they are no longer economic units.

      I think it was Jerry Rubin who said if you want to know what it is to be Black in the South, just go there with long hair.  I would amend that to if you wish to see what it is to be a minority, try being old and poor.

      •  middle aged, disabled and without family (3+ / 0-)

        helps too. Especially when dealing with doctors...maybe especially if you are female. No family? you aren't worth paying much attention to.

        I am sure it is not the same as being Black. I was very close to a Black woman I worked with once and I watched her (PhD candidate at Harvard) followed around in stores while she was wearing professional attire and I (a mere lab technician) was in jeans. THe suspicion and automatic assumptions must be really wearing on the soul.

        You were talking entlord the other day about what it was like growing up in the South under Jim Crow. I was thinking that people who grew up then need to visit classrooms and talk about it. There is nothing like personal experience that might touch kids and get them to get it. In my area there are Holocaust survivors (or were...most are too old now so there are less now alive) who would visit classrooms to talk about living under the thumb of German racism...wearing the JEwish star....being spat on and kicked...and the ghettos and then the camps. It always made a huge impression on kids to hear from someone who lived through it.

        I think that Black (and maybe White as well) people who lived through Jim Crow need to visit classrooms to give Testimony just like this.

        I am sure kids in the South might hear it from their grandparents but are White kids really going to hear what it felt like? How it oppressed the soul?

        Doubt it. And us in the North, we didn't hear it at all except in passing. Of course it had just ended when I was a kid in the 70s.

    •  I think you touch on something important (3+ / 0-)
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      Young people - all races, white, black, and other - don't really have a good understanding of recent racist history.  Some years ago an "old" sign became visible at our courthouse - a "white's only" drinking fountain. There was an uproar to obliterate the horrible thing; but at the time I felt it should be cleaned up to be more visible. Framed. So that it would be there as a reminder of what, not all that long ago, was a reality everywhere, including our central government building.

      We have one month set aside for black history. And, understandably, it is devoted to good news stories. Blacks who invented, created, built, succeeded; but we also neglect fully educating about the larger social backdrop where those successes happened.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:46:32 PM PST

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  •  worse yet, a significant percentage of young (7+ / 0-)

    white people believe in reverse discrimination and that rights are a finite commodity so that for other groups to receive their rights, whites must lose theirs.

    Looking back on the promise of the 60s I feel very old and tired

    •  yes, but (2+ / 0-)
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      this diary is making the same mistake

      rights are a finite commodity so that for other groups to receive their rights, xxxxx must lose theirs.
      I'd probably say this girl is a right wing ideologue, and probably a spoiled rich kid, with some kind of racial ax to grind, etc.

      However, in the context of this diary, it's important to note that this is an individual who believes her rights are being abused, and she is taking steps to stand up for her rights as she sees them.
      What would you have her do?

      What I'm getting at is that the real problem is the redistribution of wealth to the superwealthy, the extraction of wealth out of the country, the excesses of Wall Street, the lack of good jobs that pay a living wage, etc.
      The privatization of gov. services, the rise of predatory lending, and the prostitution of higher education are all part of the problem.

      They love it when our attention is diverted to white v black competition.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:12:03 PM PST

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      •  answer to david (0+ / 0-)

        David I agree with you wholeheartedly and believe you have seized on some of the exact issues I have with this country and its ruling elites.  
        But you cannot say say that this is not  a problem also.  Trivializing the plight of the poor and black serves no purpose but to disenfranchise them even more in our institutions.  Right now there is no white or black competition.  The white side has won.  The black side is asking for a do-over or a reset.

  •  As a college student I can attest to the (6+ / 0-)

    constant laments of "reverse racism." It isn't just whites but also Asians. You know what someone told me recently?

    "It's easier for you to get into medical school than me! That's not fair!"

    This was an Asian talking to African American. LOL Asians and Whites make up the majority of medical students yet they are complaining that I am taking away a spot from them?!

    I think the sense of entitlement is disgusting. it's almost as if whites think that they are owed a spot somewhere or that we (black and brown minorities) are lazy and just get things out of pity.

    Tipped and rec'd. I hope your diary gets more views.

    We all have our own life to pursue, our own kind of dream to be weaving, and we all have the power to make wishes come true, as long as we keep believing. Louisa May Alcott

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 04:56:56 PM PST

    •  can you please diagram your racial (1+ / 0-)
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      pyramid of entitlement/deservedness?

      How does the ranking system work?  Is there a racial/skin pigmentation spectrum that one can use a handy color chart with in order to assign preferences?

      I guess Asians are, unfortunately, too light.

      Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:30:21 PM PST

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      •  Hey Keith (0+ / 0-)

        I dont think the problem is that asians are to light or even a minority.  I think the real problem is opression and the lack of opportunity.  I believe through careful governmental policy and strong family value and environmental protections asians have a disproportional advantage when it comes to educational opportunities.  Not from a sense entitlement but hardcore societal engineering.

      •  Your mocking exercise says more about you (3+ / 0-)
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        Than it does about me...

        If you aren't in medical school or in the medical field I would assume that you wouldn't know anything about the gross inequality in this system.

        We all have our own life to pursue, our own kind of dream to be weaving, and we all have the power to make wishes come true, as long as we keep believing. Louisa May Alcott

        by YoungArizonaLiberal on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:14:50 PM PST

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    •  in 1976, a friend had a fellow med student (7+ / 0-)

      accost her, angry that she had "taken his friend's place".  She responded that she graduated higher in her undergrad class than he, had a higher GPA with a more rigorous science selection than he and had significantly higher MCATs.  She ended by saying" I did not take his place; you did"

  •  We value the university more than what is learned (3+ / 0-)
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    I say this and mean it.   We tend to put too much value in the school you attend VS what you have done with it.

    If you came out of Harvard, great.
    If you graduated University of Northern Illinois, Great.
    If you graduated Florida International, Oxford, or whatever great.

    I've met some truly brilliant people from many different universities in life.   People who went through Oxford on full rides,  to an engineer who came out of Chatanooga State.

    Guess what?  If you come out and discover the next great thing, or work your ass off, that's what I'm going to decide.   Getting into a big school may give you some perks down the road, but that's not your only option.

    In her case, she could have went to a Junior College, rocked it, and then transferred to U of T.    She could have went to another school and transferred.  There are numerous schools in Texas that would have taken her, as some pointed out.   Would her life have been horrible if she had attended Texas Tech?   Texas A&M?  

    Her complaint struck me as idiotic in comparison to kids who get great scholarships and still can't go because their homelives are a wreck thanks to poverty.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:00:04 PM PST

    •  it is all about credentialing; all the way through (4+ / 0-)

      life it seems you try to get the best credentials so you go to the best HS and from there to the best university and from university to best grad program and so on.

      Unfair though it is, to get ahead in life,if you lack connections, you have to be credentialed or win the lottery.  If you are GWB you sit in class and make fart noises when the prof mentions Marx

  •  Way to lump all white people together. (3+ / 0-)
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    What's the difference between sterotyping whites and stereotyping any other race?

  •  what are your views on University of California? (1+ / 0-)
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    Funny thing about a cuts both ways.

    Asian Americans comprise 12% of California's population, yet comprise 43% of students at UC Berkeley.  54% at UC Irvine.

    The regents there decided a few years back to change their enrollment standards in a way that would reduce Asian student throughout the UC system, presumably in order to broaden the enrollment of other ethnic groups and increase diversity.

    Predictably, Asian students and their parents howled in protest.  They worked hard in order to excell in High School and make the grades in order to get accepted into a meritocracy.

    How do you respond to them?

    If Abigail Fisher was your own daughter, and not some "white girl"...what would your words of condolence be to her?

    Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:24:17 PM PST

    •  I seem to remember the same thing happened (3+ / 0-)
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      with Jewish students back in the 20s and 30s at some Ivy League schools.  It seems that the solution back then was a "hard" quota

    •  Prop 209 made it illegal to use race (1+ / 0-)
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      for any school admissions, jobs, or contracts in state, city or county organizations. California Prop 209, passed in 1996, made affirmative action in public entities illegal so race cannot be a factor in determining university admissions. Given the current state of the law in California it is not surprising that Asian students are overwhelmingly over-represented in the UC system.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:00:49 PM PST

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    •  poor abigail (0+ / 0-)

      Honey we can afford to send you to any other school you would like to attend.  Pick another one.  Maybe someone else has the chance to attend college that would not otherwise be able to attend if you go here.  Her parents cannot afford to send her to another school.  If she does not attend this school then she will not go to college.  You can go anywhere you desire.  Look look dont cry here is a BMW.  Hey we will sue their poor asses and maybe they can join the military or get two jobs so they can pay for their own colleges.  I mean its their fault for being born poor and trying to go to college.  Anything for my baby.

  •  I'm not going to lament being Caucasian (1+ / 0-)
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    I think you're missing the point though. This isn't a case of white privilege and entitlement so much as it's a case of rich privilege and entitlement. I was brought up a military brat of an enlisted man. Not much wealth or privilege there. I've been working class for most of my life and I too served in the enlisted ranks. I've never made anywhere near the median that you cite for white households, nor did I attend UT. I did attend Austin Community College though and I put myself through while holding down a full time job. I recommended your diary because you are right in that white people are enormously much more likely to be rich than say Latinos or African Americans. On the other hand, I've known both wealthy black and Hispanic people and the same can be said for those that can be said of the wealthier white people I've known: The people that earned their wealth for the most part are great people, salt of the Earth types, while those who had rich parents are largely a bunch of privileged, entitled assholes. Though it's true that rich, entitled people are more likely to be white than otherwise, I don't think race is as large a factor in their behavior as their wealth is. Just my .02.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:34:49 PM PST

    •  The problem is the the rich have extracted wealth (0+ / 0-)

      and degrraded our institutions to the level they are now.
      There should be plenty of room in higher education for everyone who can cut it, and good working/middle class jobs for people who don't choose to go to college.
      There should be job training and continuing education for all Americans.
      We should also have head start for all and health education for new parents and health care to ensure that all Americans get a chance to make the most out of their minds.
      It's a matter of national security, really.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:22:30 PM PST

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    •  There is an interplay between the two (0+ / 0-)

      as you said, white people are far more likely to be wealthy, which is a function of generations of white privilege.   On the other hand I agree with you about this also being a product of class as well as race.  

      Taking the top 10 percent is grand, but I know lots of kids that were in the top 10 percent who couldn't afford to attend.  One crashes at my house from time to time, he is learning his third language working at taco bell.  He has already surpasses, by far, the 3.5 years of school and three years working in a Mexican restaurant.  Next he wants to learn Japanese, he has already picked up a smattering from television.

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      by Sychotic1 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:25:20 AM PST

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  •  Fisher v University of Texea (3+ / 0-)

    A great resource for following all Supreme Court cases is the where they outline the cases in lay terms or as they often describe it "in plain English". There is a very good summary of the issues in Fisher v University of Texas here:

    Texas implemented the top 10% rule to achieve diversity because the top 10% of each high school graduating class is admitted to UofT, regardless of the grades or test scores of those students. This policy assures the University will have in its freshman class students from predominately black and Hispanic high schools. The issue in Fisher is how the balance of the freshman class is determined and, if race can be a factor, how much of a factor can it be?

    The current state of affirmative action (Grutter v Bollinger 2003) is that race can be one of many factors in considering university acceptance, in this case law school admissions. Also in 2003 in Gratz v Bollinger the SCOTUS held that race cannot be a predominant factor. In Gratz the University of Michigan assigned 20 points to the score of undergraduate candidates for being black or Hispanic in a rating system where a perfect SAT score was worth 12 points.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:53:41 PM PST

  •  I’ve known college admissions people (1+ / 0-)
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    They usually have some sort of formula that gives different weights to various factors like SAT/ACT scores, high school grades, recommendation letters, extracurricular activities (volunteering, hobbies, membership in organizations,whatever), an essay written by the applicant, or other factors. Then, each applicant gets a grade – A,B,C,D,E.  “A” means definitely accepted. “E” means definitely not accepted. Depending on the college they’ll send acceptance letters to the top-rated students, but a certain percentage of students will say “no” (because they applied to several colleges and decided to go to another college, which either is cheaper or has more prestige or is closer to or farther from home -- whatever). Maybe Harvard will have strict standards, while Podunk Christian College will have low standards. If too many people are accepted but say no thanks, the college will dip down to the C or D people.

    White people have certain advantages. Some colleges will give slots to legacies – if your parents and grandparents went to the college, you get extra points. And non-whites might get certain advantages (for the sake of diversity). For public universities, there might be a bias in favor of in-state students. Some colleges might want some foreign students (for the sake of diversity). Some places might have only a certain number of spots for people who want to be engineers (or medical doctors or computer programmers), so if you’re planning to major in philosophy or art history, it might be easier to get in. And so on. There might even be pressure from the president of the college (this guy’s father donated a million dollars, so we should let him in).

    So why was this one white woman rejected by the University of Texas? I think it’s really hard to prove that it’s because she’s white (I'm sure UT accepted lots of other white women that year). Maybe her high school teacher didn’t write a glowing recommendation letter. Maybe the teacher’s recommendation letter was really good, but a dozen words were misspelled. Maybe she had no extracurricular activities. Maybe she was planning to major in the wrong subject. Who knows why she was rejected?

    In any case, her application was probably on the edge and some admissions committee made the decision not to accept her. Was it discrimination? Yes. Because when colleges evaluate applicants they have to discriminate between the top candidates and the bottom candidates. The people in the middle might get in or might not. Apparently she did not, for whatever reason.

    The problem wasn't that she was white. Lots of white people got accepted to the university. The problem was that she was average. And some other average person was a little more interesting to the University of Texas than she was.

    “If you misspell some words, it’s not plagiarism.” – Some Writer

    by Dbug on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:56:53 PM PST

  •  Questioning some facts (1+ / 0-)
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    The average white family has an average wealth of $100,000
    Now, that's a worthless stat.  That average includes everyone from the Bill and Melinda Gates family to the Lives in a Station Wagon family.  Ask a white family with 1 underemployed earner making $8/hr if they give a shit about the "average wealth of $100K" you cite.  Just because some white families are rich and privileged doesn't mean they all are...not by a long shot.  That doesn't minimize the difficulties that minorities in the United States face or the advantages some white people have--those things are very real.  Tell you what--you don't jump to a bunch of wild conclusions about white people based on one girl's lawsuit and I won't jump to a bunch of wild conclusions about any group of people based on the actions of one of their members.  

    I support affirmative action and promoting diversity in schools, business, and government in any way we can.

     I don't support statements like this:

    This case brings up what I think of as the Rise of the White Mans Lament.  Whites perceive their power as being radically lower than what everyone else's perception and reality actually suggest.  They believe that in the race for diversity it has somehow weakened their stranglehold on the power structures in America and their social and economic advantages are being challenged or in danger.
    Glad you know what all white people think.  Call me crazy, but you won't see me writing a diary claiming to know what all members of any particular racial or ethnic group think.  Doesn't seem very smart to me.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:30:30 PM PST

    •  white mans lament (0+ / 0-)

      I am not saying that is what all white people think.  I am commenting on a certain trend in conservatism and what i perceive as a new thread in the affirmative action debate.
       And why does the average amount of wealth be a worthless stat?  The average income of one group over another does matter when figuring out things like college admissions.  Averages matter.  Your examples of income disparity is part of the problem and not a gotcha to the problems expressed in my article.  Their is a problem when a bill gates has 68 billion and the next million people in a country does  not approach his or people like him and his income.
      I was using the case as an illustration of the current thinking.  Of course I dont believe all white people are as entitled and as spoiled as Abigail.  Your response seems to me to be the problem we have with fixing things like income disparity and the ability to fix the problems inherent in our political and educational systems.  Instead of demagouging me and trying to hurl subtle racist accusations at me why not acknowledge the problem and come up with real solutions to fix them.  You say you believe in affirmative action yet not believe in the reason why we need to have affirmative action.  

      •  Responses (2+ / 0-)
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        1.  Sure sounds like you're condemning all white people.  If you're commenting on a trend in conservatism, you should mention "conservatism" a lot more and "white" a lot less.  

        2.  It's worthless because it's not an accurate reflection of where white people are at.  It's deceiving.  You said it yourself--Bill Gates is worth more than a million truly average white people.  That's a problem, but it has little or nothing to do with Abigail Fisher.  I think you'll find plenty of white people who think the wealth distribution in the country is an absolute embarrassment.  

        3.  Why is my response the problem?  I stand by my statement, namely that I support affirmative action and other legislative/institutional remedies for these issues but I don't think anything constructive comes from demonizing white people as a whole in the process.  I certainly don't feel a need to demonize people who aren't white for any reason at all.  

        4.  I have in my comment above acknowledged that minorities face difficulties white people don't have to think about and that some whites benefit from advantages they would not otherwise have.  I have not, however, concurred with you that the white family struggling to make their rent believes

        in the race for diversity it has somehow weakened their stranglehold on the power structures in America and their social and economic advantages are being challenged or in danger.
        Fact is, no matter how many ignorant right-wingers there are or how many Bill Gates's there are, there are LOTS of white people barely able to get by in life, not feeling any of those advantages you want to accuse all white people of gaming.  If you're going to write diaries attributing the spoiled, entitled actions of one person to an entire race of people, you'd better be darn careful about your wording.  

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:34:55 PM PST

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        •  white mans lament (0+ / 0-)

          Mark I think you are truly deluding yourself.  I concede you may be right in that I am painting too broad a brush and that every white person does not have or feel this sort of resentment.  But to say that I am wrong because no white person thinks this or you in particular do not think this is just wrong.  You may not feel advantaged because you are white but you are advantaged inherently just by being white.  You are totally making my point for me.  Sure there are white people who are poor.  But you are not an aggrieved minority.  Chances are you are just poor.  You were not systematically denied opportunities just because of your skin color.  You were not imprisoned for minor offenses and has a legacy of Jim crow and southern animus and discrimination that took your families generations to overcome.  To tell me that I am wrong because the white man has problems too is laughable.  My problem is not with the average white person.  It is with the person who believes that somehow his lament and the black mans lament are somehow equal.   If you believe in affirmative  action you agree with me.  

  •  Suppose I tell you what black people think. (1+ / 0-)
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    Whites perceive their power as being radically lower than what everyone else's perception and reality actually suggest.
    I pretty much agree with you on most of the diary, but when you lump all white people together like that I know that you really don't know what you're talking about. So you're just slathering a formulaic frosting on the issue.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:49:39 PM PST

    •  whites lamant (1+ / 0-)
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      I guess I should have been more precise when I wrote this.  I truly do not believe that all white people think like this.  Hell if it was a real issue Obama would not have been elected.  I should have said a certain subset of white people and mostly i guess I mean movement conservatives and those of the same ilk.  To not acknowledge this is like sticking your head in the sand.  If all white people were kind-hearted racially neutral heroes then we would not need affirmative action.  When you lump me in with the racist and those who would be exclusionary you are doing their job for them.  

  •  Fisher v. UT answers one question I've always had (0+ / 0-)

    Regarding ethnic self-identification on college applications.

    CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: You don't check, in any way, the racial identification?

    MR. GARRE: We do not, Your Honor, and no college in America, the Ivy Leagues, the Little Ivy Leagues, that I'm aware of.

    I've always wondered about that.

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