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 I'm a recovering conservative and have other family members who are conservatives or like myself are recovering conservatives. It can be so hard trying to debate with them because for them and at times the recovering conservatives as well employ a useful and very frustrating tactic that I call changing the historical record.

 I was a right winger until a few years ago. The world was easy and black and white. I had my Rush on am stations and Fox news at night and all was well.That is until I left the army and went with out health insurance for the last 10 years and decided that the left wing was starting to make more sense in too many areas.That is not to say I don't agree with the republicans  in some things and I think that's what makes me a Liberal because I try to think for myself and take other views into account before I try and make a decision. But this leaves me in a situation where family and friends get frustrated with me and some go as far to accuse me of being un patriotic even though I served in the army during the first Gulf war and stayed for 10 more years ,left with honor. These people on the right just cant stand alone on their principles with out changing the facts about how those principles are employed. I have found to often during debates with them that I will get to a great point ,one that I think will slay their ideology or force them to admit a contradiction and at that precise moment is when they change the historical record!!I,ll hear things like ,"I never said that","I never did that","that's not how it happened" . They deny the truth, once there I don't know how to proceed it flummoxes me . This is especially true with recovering conservatives that are close family members because when you have a relationship issue,family discord etc these former conservatives when pushed into a corner where they have to admit an ugly truth will most often revert to their conservative roots and just deny what ever facts are necessary so as to look to all to be righteous .That is where the real problems start for me . I have dyed in the wool republican family members who at this point I just state we are at an impasse lets agree to disagree but with former conservatives that are now liberals I cant just let it be ,I feel they should know better but if folks change the facts what do you do? But I guess there isn't much that can be done until folks are ready to accept things for what they are and not how they wish them to be ,this is something I too at times have a challenge with.Thanks for listening to my rant :).

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  •  A dear friend who used to work where I do (3+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, lightarty, chimene

    is a 9/11 truther.  She doesn't have much use for President Obama, either.

    My last response to something she sent me was to ask after her grandchildren and then say something about we lived in the same city, but I was no longer sure about on the same planet.

    With any luck, she will not be sending me stuff in future.  I will miss her, but not her politics.

    Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

    by loggersbrat on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 01:11:59 PM PST

  •  You have described a typical conservative (2+ / 0-)
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    They often either don't know the facts or don't want to know. They feed on rumors and half-truths.

    I have a good friend who is extremely intelligent, probably genius level. A few years back we were discussing the Iraq war when he informed me that Saddam Hussein had precipitated the war when he threw the weapons inspectors out of Iraq. I informed him that Bush had ordered the inspectors to leave. He looked at me disbelievingly and said he had never heard that before.

    Conservatives have their own set of historical "facts" and no amount of truth can change their mind. I am convinced that if they wouldn't get laughed off the planet they would claim that Romney won the election.

    •  They do claim that Romney won, and that it was (1+ / 0-)
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      only that ACORN (which no longer exists) stole it. Look at the polls, they will tell you. No, not those lying MSM/Nate Silver/Daily Kos polls. Look at the deskewed polls we were passing around among ourselves with the likely voter models corrected to show that a much higher percentage of Conservatives than Democrats was going to turn out, and Latinos are inherently Conservative, and all that.

      And it was only activist Librul judges who kept us from keeping the unworthy riff-raff away from the polls as God and the Founders intended.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 01:39:59 PM PST

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    •  facts (1+ / 0-)
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      the question still remains ...how to debate a person that makes it up as they go along it can be frustrating

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