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There's been a lot of talk about Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod joining MSNBC as political analysts --- because they might be too pro-Obama. All I can is, "Big frigging deal."


All last year we saw a slew of Republican candidates being constantly paraded and bandied about on Fox News. Tell me they weren't too pro-Romney. I didn't see those guys on MSNBC very often, even though they were invited. At least Obama had the gonads to go on Bill O'Reilly's show.

And Ed Schultz and Lawrence O'Donnell certainly don't need any help as a counter-balance to the propaganda that Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity puts out there. And Rachel Maddow can take them both on at once, with both hands tied behind her back.

Sean Hannity spent 90% of his air time bad-mouthing Obama for the past four years. It's getting real old. I'd like to see him talk about something else, like his and Bill O'Reilly's mansions on the beach.

Fox News (especially Bill O'Reilly) likes to brag that they are the number one watched "cable news show" (which they are); but what they don't tell you is, when compared to "all TV news shows" (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc.), collectively speaking, most people get their news from OTHER news sources --- meaning, OTHER than Fox News...including MSNBC.

It's all in how you read the numbers in the polls. The last time I checked, Fox News only received about 30% of the market share (of all news programming), and the remaining "mainstream" stations received the other 70% (collectively). For example, if there was another far-right "cable news show" like Fox News ("news" being an oxymoron), it could compete with Fox and Fox could loss some of its ratings.

As an aside: the term "kool-aid" is the much over-used terminology that Bill O'Reilly likes to use when referring to "far left-wing loons" (Progressive Democrats) --- although we know he really means "kool-aid" as it refers to Jim Jones and the mass suicides Guyana. But I don't plan on taking my life while watching MSNBC.

Also, just so that all of you get your "facts" correct, Bill O'Reilly likes to espouse the "far left" to imply Socialism when referring to MSNBC; whereas they are not --- MSNBC is "progressive" --- meaning, their views are more closely affiliated to the ideologies of Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (a Democrat).

And both U.S. Presidents were good and patriotic American leaders, unlike Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and that other multi-millionaire....what was his name? Oh yeah, Glenn Beck.

But if you really wanted to take the argument against MSNBC a step further, when people like MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell or their frequent guest, Vermont's Senator Bernie Sanders, claim to be Socialists, they're not articulating the wishes of Joseph Stalin and genocide. Fox News uses that as a scare tactic (much like Joe McCarthy did in the 1950's with the Communism).

Lawrence and Bernie just believe in the rights of the American workers; and that taxation (ever since our Founding Fathers first imposed taxes) is just another way of describing "the redistribution the wealth" --- so that the "government" (that's us, you and me) can properly care for the wants and needs of ALL the people, and not just those with the most. Is that so "evil"?

And as another aside: the Tea Party members today are just "Dixiecrats" reincarnated.... people from Southern states who used to align themselves with the Democrats in the 1940s --- the people who still have a "states rights" (anti-government) mentality --- they are a leftover from the days of a bygone era when they used to depend on slavery and owned cotton plantations. These are the people on Fox News.

You can always find a Tea Party fanatic on Fox News, reverberating the same old talking points that everyone else on the right spews...and not a one of them ever has an original, intelligent or thoughtful idea to convey...Bozos all.

I used to be a Republican and I've watched Fox News every day for the past 10 years...so I know something on which to base my opinions. I don't ONLY watch Jon Stewart or the Colbert Report.

Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity have a psychological condition known as "transference" and "projection" -- and accuses others for what they themselves (Republicans) should be blamed for (such as the national debt when George W. Bush was in office. They both have "debt attention disorder").

If you want to watch something that's so-called "mainstream", watch CNN --- but even their reporting on business and the economy is just a little too far right for my blood.

Why does CNN always have on that clown Stephen Moore? I'd much rather hear from Paul Krugman, Jared Bernstein or Robert Reich...and now, Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod.

They're not necessarily pro-Obama, but just like Obama, they are pro-people.

And as far as Kool-Aid...tell me Bill, who's really drinking the Kool-Aid; and what's that in the brown paper bag?


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Comment Preferences

  •  MSNBC vs FNC (5+ / 0-)
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    Tonedevil, MJB, lightarty, rigcath, elwior

    is an entirely manufactured issue.

  •  Couldn't care less. (4+ / 0-)
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    elwior, NancyWH, Rosalie907, harlinchi

    If you're going to hire a political analyst to comment, then you're probably going to want someone with experience.  Problem is that FNC's payroll is loaded with hacks and quacks who'll spew any damned thing.  It's one thing to preach to the choir.  It's another thing to lead the choir off a cliff and continue to collect a paycheck.

  •  So MSNBC becomes more like Fox News ... (1+ / 0-)
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    rigcath

    Yay?

    “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

    by jrooth on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:17:16 AM PST

  •  The risk of a bubble (3+ / 0-)
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    "Why does CNN always have on that clown Stephen Moore? I'd much rather hear from Paul Krugman, Jared Bernstein or Robert Reich...and now, Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod.

    They're not necessarily pro-Obama, but just like Obama, they are pro-people."

    Just change the names to Hannity and Rove etc. and these two sentences could be straight from the mouth of a conservative in a bubble.

    Just be careful, ok? I know how you feel but the risk of listening to people from only your side because they're "pro-people" is dangerous; not that you're going to die but you're going to become like Republicans because you enjoy the feeling you get when you hear "the truth" from the people that you like.

    •  Maybe... (3+ / 0-)
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      NancyWH, Rosalie907, vernonbc

      "You're going to become like Republicans because you enjoy the feeling you get when you hear 'the truth' from the people that you like."

      Yes, just like I used to hear "the truth" when I was once a Republican -- after aligning myself with the GOP since the days of Reagan --  until 2010.

      That was then, this is now. So I guess it's true, people really can change.

  •  I see a problem here (1+ / 0-)
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    elwior

    But it has to do with campaign officials, any campaign official, cashing in with TV gigs and conversely, TV networks buying access into campaigns and administrations with cushy deals.

    I know the Separation of Church and State is oftentimes more honored in the breach than in the observance, so it may not be such a great analogy. But still, what about Separation of Media and State?

    I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

    by Farugia on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:26:05 AM PST

    •  Plus, frankly, I don't give a fig about ... (1+ / 0-)
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      msmacgyver

      ... what they have to say spin.

      They are still in the pool, spinning, or looking to polish their rep for their next client, spinning, or trying to find their way back in, spinning, or bootstrapping their brand new lobbying career, spinning, etc.

      There's one case where former pols are actually interesting, it's when they are completely outside, with no  chance nor desire to go back in the game, and giving insights about what's going in the Village based on their past experience with no care for their own rep on the DC circuit, a.k.a. ratting out on the buddies :-)

      That's rare and I can't really think of any true example right now.

      So, please, MSNBC, less 'political analysts', more people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about. And, yes, it requires a lot of hard work from the producers and editorial team to locate, vet, invite and prep people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about...

      I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

      by Farugia on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:54:12 AM PST

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      •  I agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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        Both Gibbs and Axelrod were integral to the re-election of President Obama.  Frankly, I'm tired of both of them and cannot imagine their having anything to contribute which isn't campaign-speak.

        The President is moving forward in a direction which I think is unique.  He is continuing his direct contact with the American people and his voice is his own...one which I want to hear more of.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 02:24:31 PM PST

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  •  Interesting points... (2+ / 0-)
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    elwior, Catte Nappe

    Not to nitpick, but Jim Jones and the Kool-Aid mass suicides were in GUYANA (in South America) and not in Ghana (in western Africa)

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    by Floyd Blue on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:28:44 AM PST

    •  Thx! (1+ / 0-)
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      NancyWH

      I stand corrected, but I'm not a journal, so I can't be held to the same high standards :)

      Personally, I'd like to see the media on both sides of the spectrum to stop hobnobbing with the people they're supposed to be watching (as in the Fourth Estate).

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  •  The problem is not that they may be too pro-Obama. (0+ / 0-)

    There's really nothing wrong with having a left-leaning network if there's an audience for it. But hiring Obama administration officials undermines MSNBC's credibility. I mean, it makes sense that  Fox News would hire Bush administration officials as commentators, since FNC is not a news network and isn't concerned with ethics or producing quality journalism. But MSNBC really does become the left's version of Fox News if stuff like this is allowed to happen, and I don't think they should be following Fox's example.

    "In an individual, selfishness uglifies the soul; for the human species, selfishness is extinction." -Cloud Atlas, by David Mitchell

    by rigcath on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:37:02 AM PST

  •  As long as I can (0+ / 0-)

    Google facts to check if I have questions, I go with MSNBC, mostly.  I do not like the chemicals that ooze into my brain when I watch FOX.  When I watch MSNBC, my brain produces much nicer chemicals.    

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 12:38:48 PM PST

  •  Let me see if I have this straight (0+ / 0-)

    It's okay for Fox to have Palin (now fired), Cain,  Huckabee, and other right wingers as commentators but it's not okay for MSNBC to have Gibbs & Alexrod.  Also, they should remember that Michael Steele who was the Head of the RNC is commentator on MSNBC and S.E. Cupp is 1/4 of "The Circle" on MSNBC and lets not forget Joe Scarborough and Dan Senor.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:10:59 PM PST

  •  The folks on MSNBC, including Gibbs and Axelrod, (0+ / 0-)

    have used and probably will continue to use facts, despite their political affiliation.

    I loved your 'debt attention disorder'.  It made me think of deficit attention disorder (instead of attention deficit disorder), or the misapplied concern for a federal deficit in the face of economic circumstances which call for stimulus.

    The GOP has DAD!

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