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U.S. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) (L) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) speak at a news conference about the U.S. debt ceiling crisis at the U.S. Capitol in Washington July 30, 2011. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst  
They've got some beachfront property they'd love to sell you.
Congressional Republicans are now, supposedly, "opening the door to long term deficit deal." But read these two paragraphs and see if you can find the problems with that assertion.
Republican congressional leaders opened some room Sunday for a longer-term deficit reduction agreement that eventually could blunt the effects of the $85 billion in automatic spending cuts now in place.

But in appearances on the Sunday talk shows, Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., insisted that any revenue from a tax overhaul would have to be reserved for reducing tax rates and not used to fund government spending or lower the deficit.

If you said, "that's their idea of a deal?" and "this is about the deficit?" you're right! Number one, they're not talking about a "bargain" or a "deal." They're talking about President Obama giving them what they want: more tax cuts. Number two, they're not talking about a deficit deal; they're talking about tax cuts. Otherwise they wouldn't insist on revenue from tax tweaking being reserved for, yes, tax cuts. In other words, yes we'll agree to getting rid of the tax subsidy for corporate jets, just as long as you give in on a tax cut that will ensure the corporate jet owners' tax bill doesn't go up at all.

Proving yet again, Republicans don't care about the deficit. The only thing that matters is tax cuts.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:23 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:23:55 PM PST

  •  Program Cuts nt (4+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:26:16 PM PST

    •  Tax cuts, tax cuts, and (1+ / 0-)
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      Zaq

      vaginal probes, oh my!

    •  Um...I don't get it. (2+ / 0-)

      This is the same plan the GOP has been pedaling since the beginning of time.  Anybody here recall the Norquist Pledge?  It is very specific about "revenue neutral."  Any loopholes that are removed MUST be offset with lower rates.  

      To his credit, Boehner has always stated this.  Go back and review any transcript where he has discussed revenue.  Right after the election, he stated the GOP would be willing to put revenue on the table by way of closing loopholes and lowering rates.  He has said this over, and over, and over.  Why now is this news?

      I must lay some fault on the Democrats.  How did they miss this?  I have heard it all along and have commented about it on this site.  It always infuriated me when the media proclaimed that the GOP is willing to put revenue on the table.  LIARS!!  Their plan has ALWAYS been revenue neutral.  

      What the sequester has done is pulled the cover back on this farce.  Since the sequester cuts are now law, attention must turn to tax reform.  And guess what?  The new GOP plan is same as the old GOP plan.  Norquist Pledge rules.

  •  I wish upon them the same thing I wish upon (4+ / 0-)
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    RJDixon74135, elwior, Fury, Zaq

    fervent Libertarians: That their houses don't catch on fire, that their food and water aren't infected with deadly bacteria, that their roads never get potholes or dangerous traffic, that they never have to go out at night (no street lights), that they never need air filters or breathing masks, that they don't need local mass transit or air traffic controllers, and most of all that their squirreled-away funds in tax havens around the world don't get confiscated by various coups.

    Because, honestly, what do taxes do for us, besides all that?

    Oh, wait.  A whole lot more.

    Sucks to be you guys, I guess.

    -----
    Tom Smith Online
    I want a leader who shoots for the moon. The last time we had one, we got to the moon.

    by filkertom on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:28:40 PM PST

    •  So it was you, filkertom! I thought it was a (2+ / 0-)
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      little old fashioned karma comin' down when Jim Inhofe had to be hospitalized after he went for a dip in the blue green algae growing on the Grand Lake of the Cherokees. That's some powerful mojo you have there. Thanks.

    •  Like my cousin, who was a fervent libertarian (1+ / 0-)
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      until he developed kidney disease and at age 45 suffered from kidney failure.  He's on a waiting list for donation, but in the meantime, thanks to some democrats a while ago, he can go on medicare to help with his growing medical concerns.  Haven't heard much about Ron Paul lately, come to think of it.  lol.  

      •  No offense meant, Fury, but ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... it's pretty low to gloat over such a thing.  And lol?  I can't imagine laughing as a result of a family member, friend or even enemy's illness because of political differences.  That sort of callousness exemplifies much of what is wrong in this country today.  Party above all?  I've heard that tune before.  Yes, this is an official scold from an old fart you don't even know.  It's offered in good will, take it as you may.    

        As to your cousin's situation?  Very few of us escape life without finding ourselves in situations where reality fails to match our ideals or expectations.

        The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

        by Not A Bot on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 06:24:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh please, you have no idea what my cousin (2+ / 0-)
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          has put me through the past few years.  I'm glad that he is on medicare.  But, if he had his way a few years ago, there would be no medicare...no Obamacare...and no social security, which he is also able to benefit from now.  No pre-existing condition protections for the rest of his extended family who also suffers from PKD (as do I). He's an Alex Jones listener.  Need I say more?  

          •  I apologize for stuffing my schnoz (0+ / 0-)

            where it doesn't belong.  I guess it just struck a nerve because my first wife passed away partly from long term kidney failure, partly from breast cancer, and it's hard for me to imagine laughing at anyone suffering from similar conditions.  I understand, though, that some family members are a pain in the keister.  Come to think of it, I'll make you a straight trade -- your cousin for my half brother, sight unseen.  I'll even throw in a pair of nephews to sweeten the deal.

            The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

            by Not A Bot on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 11:17:45 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Read Ezra (7+ / 0-)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Lather Rinse Repeat.

    Why do we go through this  soap opera constantly?  Start talking about jobs and end this nonsense.

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:36:54 PM PST

    •  because republicans hold the house (0+ / 0-)

      that's why.  same thing as last year.  same as year before.

      even when they didn't have a majority, they used what little power they had, to effectively block progressive legislation.

      which is why Obama led with their own proposals.  getting them to vote on their own proposals and hold up an automatic debt increase, in unprecedented fashion.  republicans have filibustered in unprecedented numbers.

      so why do we have to go through this?  it's part of living in a democracy.  the root cause is still republicans though.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:59:35 PM PST

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      •  And so no reason to look to the 2014 (3+ / 0-)
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        election in today's position-taking, project-proposing, and emphasis to change the makeup of Congress.

        Everyone knows that Republican majorities in the House are part of the Constitution, and this cannot, under any circumstances whatsoever, change. Ever.

        Tough shit America. Even if Democrats could think of proposing something the vast majority of Americans see as vital, and thus get majority votes, why that would just be so unpragmatic, because trying to do the right thing can't be done if Republicans don't want it. That's what makes us a Democracy!


        We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

        by Jim P on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:10:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  yup, pretty much (0+ / 0-)

          until they change.

          it's a democracy.  a democracy that somewhat protects the rights of the minority, especially if that minority is white!

          it is what it is.

          -You want to change the system, run for office.

          by Deep Texan on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:17:38 PM PST

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          •  So Democrats can't ever win a majority (2+ / 0-)
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            in the house again, even if they strongly put forward, say, a Manhattan-project level jobs program, instead of going along with the lies that the deficit is the urgent issue and social security is a cause of the deficit... no sense in doing that, eh?

            I don't know Deep Texan. Maybe political thinking is not your forte.


            We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

            by Jim P on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:28:28 PM PST

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  •  I hope they repeat their message loudly and (4+ / 0-)
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    frequently because the American public hears them and understands what it means.

  •  you sound like you get it (4+ / 0-)

    tax reform = tax cuts.

    they just can't say it so plainly.  they want tax cuts.  they believe in tax cuts.  growth will happen magically if we just cut taxes...

    most people paying attention know that means you don't give a fuck about our debt then.  so it's theater.  which is what has been going on since 09.

    the republicans have been trying to wrestle Obama and pin him, without any success.  the grand bargain is part of that theater. always has been.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:45:12 PM PST

  •  When there's nothing left to cut... (1+ / 0-)
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    I'd like to know where the Rethugs plan on getting their free money?

    I'm guessing sales of human bondage contracts.  Or as we call it nowadays, "Prison Labor".  Course we'll need lots of new laws to ensure that we have plenty of "Criminals".

    Perhaps we should reserve citizenship for those folks who have money?  That way, each Citizen could own their own free labor of "Prisoners".   I'm sure we wouldn't have more than 50% of the population in such a state.

    Course, perhaps a prisoner could earn their freedom through enough labor...   Or through risking their life in the Prisoner Combat Games...

    /Yes, It's a Rome Reference.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:45:35 PM PST

  •  The Republicans are open to a Grand (Old) Bargain. (1+ / 0-)
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    We get ours, and you give up yours.

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:46:40 PM PST

  •  Thank you Republicans (7+ / 0-)

    For saving us from the Grand Bargain.  I'm with the Republicans.  I don't care about a deficit deal either, but heck if the Democrats are going to bargain away Social Security maybe I could use a tax cut to make up the difference.  Makes more sense to me than bargaining away Social Security to pay for the war in Iraq.  

  •  There is no "grand bargain" (0+ / 0-)

    The Tea/GOP is bent on destroying the economy, government and America as we know it.

    So how do you deal with people who will not bargain?  This is what drives me crazy lately.

    Do you threaten them?  With what?  What do they fear losing the most?  Their power?

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 03:14:51 PM PST

  •  They're wasting their breath and wasting my time. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Is it time (0+ / 0-)

    To charge the GOP with sedition?

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:12:54 PM PST

  •  They've never been interested in (1+ / 0-)
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    The deficit. All they care about is arbitrarily shrinking government and/or reducing taxes.

    •  I don't believe that are even truly concerned (1+ / 0-)
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      about shrinking government.  Who was the last republican president to cut government?  When they are in that office, they spend, spend, spend.  They only "get religion" and repent from their wicked spending orgies when Democrats are in power.

      Their main, driving purpose as a party is to protect the wealthy.  All else is secondary.  This is why including the Defense cuts in the sequester as a trigger to force the GOP to put revenue on the table was a gross error.  I just learned that Jack Lew's initial sequester proposal included revenue but Boehner, et al rejected it.  That should have clued them in that the sequester would not force a balanced agreement.

  •  Not "grand," not "bargain" (0+ / 0-)

    There is nothing about this crap which is "grand" in literally any sense of the word, and there is no "bargain" in any sense referring to either a valued outcome or some actually worthwhile negotiation.

    The use of this term is one of the worst sheer propaganda hack innovations I've ever encountered, and everyone does it.

  •  the gop (0+ / 0-)

    are nothing more than petulant little children, no way to run a govt but a sure way to run it into the ground, which has been the gop's strategy from the beginning.

  •  There is no nice way to say this (0+ / 0-)

    So here goes F--k them they are nothing more than paid gigolos for the rich . There I feel better!!!!!!!

  •  Cutting rates (0+ / 0-)

    Considering that the principal achievement of President Obama since the election was reaching a compromise with the Republicans to raise rates for those with incomes of over $400,000, it would seem like the Republicans are moving the goalposts!   Somebody better alert Bob Woodward!

  •  Are We Clear? Crystal (2+ / 0-)
    Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., insisted that any revenue from a tax overhaul would have to be reserved for reducing tax rates and not used to fund government spending or lower the deficit.
    So the whole charade isn't about deficit reduction at all.  It's about transferring income upwards to the rich, powerful people who have enough already.

    If I was a communist, rich men would fear me...And the opposite applies. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

    by stewarjt on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:50 PM PST

  •  Maybe the GOP can save us (1+ / 0-)
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    from Obama's repeated offers to cut Social Security benefits.
    C'mon you crazy freaks - save my Social Security from the guy I voted for... twice.

  •  So, for those of you keeping score at home... (3+ / 0-)

    The only thing standing in the way of Austerity Madness, Assaults on the New Deal, and Leadership of the CIA by a Torture Enabling, Collateral Damage Denying Fuckwad is...

    Wait for it...

    The Republican Party!!!

    This is some really wack shit.

    Don't tell me what you believe; show me the excuses you make for Barack Obama, and I will tell you what you believe.

    by WisePiper on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:46:05 PM PST

  •  We *might* be able to work with this (0+ / 0-)

    Increase the top marginal rate (or pass a millionaire's tax) and use that money to reduce payroll taxes for more working-class people.  We get stimulus and a little bit of wealth redistribution.

    Of course by "reducing taxes" they mean "reducing rich people's taxes".

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