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Paul Ryan either has a really bad memory, or can't take a hint. All those ideas that he and Mitt Romney had in the 2012 campaign that were so roundly rejected by the American voters? They're back, including repealing Obamacare. That video is Ryan telling Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" that "our budget does promote repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a better system."
When host Chris Wallace challenged him on that assumption, Ryan said he would not give up the fight.

“That’s not going to happen,” said Wallace.

“We believe it should,” Ryan shot back. “That’s the point. This is what budgeting is all about. It’s about making tough choices to fix our country’s problems. We believe ‘ObamaCare’ is a program that will not work.

Of course, Ryan does keep part of Obamacare, the Medicare cuts that he and Mitt Romney ran against last year, which are also the same cuts that he had in his budget last year. So for those keeping score at home, back in 2010 the Republicans were opposed to these cuts, or at least used them for that campaign. Then Ryan embraced them in his budget. Then he ran against them in the presidential campaign. And now he's preserving them again in this budget.

And what about the fact that the American people rejected Ryan's ideas, his budget, his Medicare voucher plan so decidedly last year? As Steve Benen picked up in the interview, that doesn't count, Ryan says.

Ryan added in the same interview, "I would argue against your premise that we lost this issue during the campaign: We won the senior vote."
The House voted more than 30 times last Congress to repeal Obamcare, efforts that died in the House. Then the Supreme Court upheld the law. House Speaker John Boehner called it the "law of the land." But apparently all that, along with the 2012 election, doesn't count. Obamacare repeal is back, in Ryan's mind, at least.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:05 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Ryan has a mind? when did that happen (10+ / 0-)

    and what evidence do you have thereof?

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:08:45 AM PDT

  •  Good thing Obama had lunch with him! (9+ / 0-)

    What the hell was that supposed to accomplish?

    •  Ditto buying dinner for McCain, Ayotte and Coburn (5+ / 0-)

      Listening to Bill Maher on Friday, apparently it was spent explaining how many "entitlement cuts" had been put on the table, because these idjits had been living in a bubble and needed to hear it personally from Obama.

      btw anyone know who the other senators were at that dinner?

    •  The pundits say he "doesn't reach out" (10+ / 0-)

      they say he doesn't "socialize" enough with Congress people.

      I think President Obama wanted to demonstrate, once again, that the problem doesn't have ANYTHING to do with lack of socializing.

      The problem, as HE knows, as WE all know, is the incapacity of republicans to accept the verdict of an election, their total refusal of compromise.

      These guys don't even understand what democracy means. Gosh, they drive me nuts.

      Folks, even if you don't approve of all the decisions of President Obama and democrats, in the next couple of elections, just UNITE to DESTROY the political power of the extremist republicans. FOR GOOD.

      With the Constitution giving structural advantages to conservatives and obstructionists, the only way to make real progress is to split the republican party and make their extremists powerless. Everything will be easier after that. You could have a realignment of political forces: a moderate conservative party ( "sane" republicans and blue dogs), and a liberal party. They would be the two parties fighting for power, but at least there would be come collaboration in governance. As for the far-right, they would have their own party to express their fears and their hate, but they wouldn't have that much power. Some seats in the House and a Senate seat or two, but that's all.

      •  Coalition Parties (0+ / 0-)

        We would see the Either the Democratic or Republican Party making deals with the Tea Party to elect House Speaker, Senate Majority Leader, and allocate committee seats in years neither major party itself won a majority of a chamber. The Tea Party would still have highly disproportionate power beyond its numbers, as any tie breaker or spoiler is given by our Constitution. Atop the other disproportionate power given to minority representatives, whether from unpopulated states, gerrymandered districts, or any other brakes on democracy.

        A crack in the party duopoly is probably the only chance for the republic, but it's only a chance. Unless another party also splits from the Democratic Party free from its own corporate clutches, to make actual deals with other parties, the chances are worthless.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:43:54 AM PDT

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      •  I completely agree (0+ / 0-)

        NOW is our best opportunity to destroy the Republican Party for all time. They are bent on seizing our democracy and installing corporate rule in its place. Everything the Republicans do is geared toward Capitalists. They have no use for Democracy, it gets in their way.

        The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

        by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:19:00 PM PDT

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    •  Make the Village think that Obama's reaching out (4+ / 0-)

      so the Sunday Talk shows will complain about something else.

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:48:42 AM PDT

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  •  Now... (5+ / 0-)

    ...if we can stop Bush from waging war in Iraq, we'll be all set.

  •  Some folks just won't take YES (5+ / 0-)
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    for an answer. And elections don't matter to them.
    Yet they say they're big patriots and continue to wave their flags at every opportunity.

    •  And Ryan is not the only "some folks": (6+ / 0-)

      Here's Matt Kibbe from Freedomworks who clearly believes that since 30 House attempts to kill the legislation last year didn't go anywhere, tying up Congress with another 60 or so this year should be awsome:

      In less than a month, hard-core Progressives will be whooping with joy over the third anniversary of their single largest achievement: ObamaCare. The problem is, freedom-loving working Americans like you and I have nothing to celebrate – all we get is higher taxes and restricted access to our doctors.

      We can’t sit idly by and let Washington take over our healthcare. Sign the petition now and tell Speaker Boehner to Defund ObamaCare.

      ObamaCare is going to add trillions more to our debt, and millions of Americans are already paying higher insurance premiums… as if we need any more hardship in Obama’s Recession.

      We can’t allow the Big-Government Progressives to have their ObamaCare victory. If they can force socialized medicine down our throats, none of our freedoms are safe. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to find out what they’ll have in store for us if ObamaCare survives. Let’s stop ObamaCare now.

      Sign the petition and let Speaker Boehner know that Congress must DEFUND ObamaCare!

      In Liberty,

      Dick Armey is no longer with FW but he is still a Dick.  Matt is still with FW and he is also still a Dick.  Well at least Matt has lots of Cancer Centers money to waste.
      Last month, the Washington Post reported that Richard Stephenson, a reclusive millionaire banker and FreedomWorks board member, and members of his family funneled $12 million in October through two newly created Tennessee corporations to FreedomWorks' super-PAC, which used these funds to support tea party candidates in November's elections. The revelation that a corporate bigwig like Stephenson, who founded the Cancer Treatment Centers of America and chairs its board, was responsible for more than half of the FreedomWorks super-PAC's haul in 2012 undercuts the group's grassroots image and hands ammunition to critics who say FreedomWorks does the bidding of rich conservative donors.
      snip
      According to ex-FreedomWorks chairman Dick Armey, when he joined the organization in 2003, FreedomWorks relied heavily on corporate donations. The group, he says, subsequently weaned itself off such underwriting and used direct-mail lists—some provided by Armey—to build up a base of small donors. But in the last year, there was a "big surge in private individual contributions," most of which Armey says he didn't know about. "The details were kept secret from me," he remarks.

      FreedomWorks, flush with wealthy donors' money, took full advantage of the nation's lax campaign finance rules during the 2012 election cycle. The group's nonprofit side shifted millions of dollars in dark money to the FreedomWorks super-PAC, effectively hiding the true source of those funds. One campaign finance reform advocate blasted those internal money transfers as the "laundering of secret money." A FreedomWorks spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:39:22 AM PDT

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  •  Amazing resistance to new information (14+ / 0-)

    Inflexible and unwilling to see any other point of view.  This guy wants to be President?  Sends chills up my spine.

  •  Short-term memory loss... (3+ / 0-)

    is a pre-existing condition.  Wonder if he's covered for that?

    •  People on the government health plan (and most (3+ / 0-)
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      large business plans, from what I understand) have pre-existing conditions included.  It's just too much of a paperwork nightmare having to individualize who had what condition and so should be excluded from what coverage.

      So yes, Republicans in Congress and their staff all have their pre-existing conditions covered.  So they have no sympathy for those people who don't - no empathy is also a pre-existing condition for them.  Some might say it's even a job requirement.

  •  How about a Grand Bargain (5+ / 0-)

    wherein this is repealed along with the AUMF and the Bush Tax cuts?

    •  I would LOVE to see that, plus the Patriot Act (10+ / 0-)

      all get reset.  I do want health care for everyone, but by this point, if the states working on Single Payer can get things in place so the rest of the country can see how/that it works, we might not have to restart health reform all over again.

      Or, perhaps, we could reset everything back to the mid-point of Clinton's presidency?  That would even undo some of the Wall Street problems.  

      •  Hmm, the midpoint? (3+ / 0-)
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        To me, most of the damage was done in his first term.

        The second was just meaningless mush.  Although economic growth continued strongly throughout the entire period . .. .

        I'd like to see a reset to the Democratic Primaries for the 2000 election where Al Gore inexplicably made some really, really, really, really bad decisions (namely picking Karl Rove's good friend Donna Brazile as Campaign Manager and - worse yet - Joe Lieberman as running mate).

        Just what * was * he thinking?

        •  Lieberman was considered (0+ / 0-)

          a moral avatar at the time and was meant to counteract the Clinton taint ( no pun intended)

          •  Yes, I am full well aware of why he was (3+ / 0-)
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            chosen.

            And equally pissed off at the time (and it provides me no satisfaction that history has borne out my pissed off instinct).

            Seriously, if Gore considered himself to be so tainted by being part of the Clinton Administration, he should not have  run and doomed the country to 8 years of Bush 2 hell.

            •  That's the most interesting (3+ / 0-)
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              take on Gore2000 that I have heard, actually. The problem, I think, is that if he didn't run then, "his time" would have been past and he might not have been able to take credit for any of his successes as VP. I think what really happened was that nobody in the upper reaches of Democraticville thought W had even a puncher's chance. His being a profoundly lazy and useless waste of oxygen and all.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:26:49 AM PDT

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              •  Hmmm, they must have! (5+ / 0-)
                I think what really happened was that nobody in the upper reaches of Democraticville thought W had even a puncher's chance.
                Otherwise it is really, really difficult to explain a moronic choice for VP like Lieberman.

                But maybe the upper reaches of Democraticville just had majorily stuck it's head up it's ass, who knows - because the major thing I remember from that era was that even though W hadn't gone through the usual "pay your dues" route to GOP presidential nomination (think Dole in '96) they were so desperate to win that they were willing to nominate somebody like him (e.g., a likable "Compassionate Conservative) with broad perceived appeal beyond the RW crazies . ..

                •  But you also have to remember (3+ / 0-)
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                  that back then, Lieberman wasn't who he turned out to be. Yes, he was a jerk who stuck it to Clinton, but then again, Clinton was not exactly God's gift to progressives, was he?
                  We also have to remember that Gore won. Kinda, of course.

                  "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                  by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:36:00 AM PDT

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                  •  Trying to stay positive here (2+ / 0-)
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                    so I guess one could say that he * could * have done worse than picking Mr. Lieberman:

                    Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman was nominated for Vice President by voice vote. Lieberman became the first Jewish American ever to be chosen for this position by a major party. Other potential running-mates included;

                    Evan Bayh, U.S. senator from Indiana
                    Barbara Boxer, U.S. senator from California
                    John Edwards, U.S. senator from North Carolina
                    Dianne Feinstein, U.S. senator from California
                    Barbara Mikulski, U.S. senator from Maryland
                    Dick Gephardt, U.S. House Minority Leader from Missouri
                    Bob Graham, U.S. senator from Florida
                    Jim Hunt, Governor of North Carolina
                    John Kerry, U.S. senator from Massachusetts
                    Zell Miller, U.S. senator from Georgia
                    George Mitchell, former Senate Majority Leader from Maine
                    Sam Nunn, former U.S. senator from Georgia
                    Jeanne Shaheen, Governor of New Hampshire

                    but still - Barbara Boxer's on the list - the election wouldn't have even been close if he'd picked her.  What a chickenshit.

                    (blockquote is from wikipedia)

                    •  Maybe. (1+ / 0-)
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                      You have to discover, somehow, if Gore comes as close as he did without Lieberman, given that the major reason to choose him was to compete in Florida. If he had taken office after winning Florida, mightn't we be just as thankful he picked Lieberman as we scorn him for the same reason in hindsight?

                      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                      by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:48:28 AM PDT

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                      •  The "urban legend" reason why the election (1+ / 0-)
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                        was so close was that the Green Party was able to poach a goodly number of votes from the Dems because they were not progressive enough.

                        BB would have thwarted that meme. Big time.

                        Did Lieberman help in FL?  Turns out that he absolutely did not because he was THE MAJOR factor in torpedoing any aggressive recount pressure from the Gore Campaign.  Bottom line, he was a major clusterfuck from Square One.

                        •  Here's (1+ / 0-)
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                          a link for that:

                          If you thought we needed another reason to consider Joe Lieberman a wanker---there is this. I watched HBO's movie called Recount the other day and it reminded me once again about his painful appearance on Meet the Press where he gets scared out of doing what was right and does everything he can during the Florida election scandal in 2000 to get Bush elected
                          •  I'm talking about pre-election scandal, though. (0+ / 0-)

                            Do you have any substantive links showing evidence that he helped/hurt gain votes for Gore?

                            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                            by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:07:23 PM PDT

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            •  He Didn't Doom It (0+ / 0-)

              I generally agree with you, especially about Brazile and Lieberman (and James Carville-Matalin). But Gore running didn't doom us to 8 years of Bush 2 hell. Gore won the 2000 election.

              But having Brazile and Carville doomed his inauguration. He's responsible, but they worked the mechanics of his concession, which was inevitable when he hired them.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:50:17 AM PDT

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        •  Just a random point for getting beyond W's term (0+ / 0-)

          I don't recall too much of what passed when in Clinton's term other than most of the financial deregulation passed at the end and the Republicans were in charge from 1994 onward.  If we could have a total do-over, I might choose even going back to before the healthcare debate and trying a different tactic.  I just wanted to get before the financial deregulation and every single one of W's actions.

      •  Why can't we (0+ / 0-)

        Go all the way, you know, Glass Steagle, 71% top tax rate, anti-monoply statutes, interest deductions on our taxes, commercial free cable, and Debit cards that are "just like cash"?

        The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

        by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

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    •  We'll make them a deal (1+ / 0-)
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      Obamacare for the complete undoing of the entire Bush administration - his wars, his tax cuts, every judge he appointed, ...

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:51:28 AM PDT

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    •  Pressure for Medicare for All (1+ / 0-)
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      If Obamacare were repealed, the pressure that forced it to be passed would return. We'd have another chance to pass Medicare for All to relieve that pressure.

      But I'd take only repeal of AUMF, Bush tax cuts and Patriot Acts, including closing Guantanamo.

      Then pay for Medicare for All by closing all foreign military bases, and making allies pay for military support we offer through air, sea and space fleets.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:46:57 AM PDT

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  •  Poor Obama,he has to pretend these idiots are not. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  why did POTUS lunch w him? shld have bn CANTOR (2+ / 0-)
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    bypass both boehner and ryan

    Lunch with Cantor and offer to help him become the 1st Jewish House speaker in the history books by supplying dem votes if he can get 17-18 repubs to support him

    something teahadists will never allow repubs to do on their own = look at Joe Straus Texas speakership & the teahadist xtianistas freaking out

    & since his speakership would then be dependent on Dem support= he has to deal/ compromise unlike boehner and ryan

    ^ crazy or maybe crazy like a fox to get the house to work again

  •  After Aqua Buddha's filibuster, (12+ / 0-)

    Eddie Munster craves attention.

    They're not a serious party anymore. -Kos

    by thenekkidtruth on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:24:05 AM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan is the scariest (12+ / 0-)

    republican out there to me. That he's a zealot is only a part of it. It's his smugness and vanity that is bone chilling. When I saw those pix of him lifting weights, the way he covets that perfection, it told me just how well he regards himself.  The fact that he would say they "won the seniors" is the kind of parsing his mind is capable of to be right, and unlike some republicans, it's not just party line talking points for him.

    There's been a lot of talk about Mitt's reaction to losing, not much about Ryan, but you can bet it sticks in his craw, and imo, you can bet he thinks "if only I'd been at the top of the ticket" to do it all correctly.

    Shiver. I know this is going to be a strong statement but I'm going to make it anyway.  I can imagine the guy in a Nazi uniform, proud and determine.  

     

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:24:39 AM PDT

    •  As is our wont.... (11+ / 0-)

      let us leave the characterization of Mr. Ryan to his most endearing critic, Mr. Charlie Pierce at Esquire:

      In other words, Ryan and Republican leaders started off opposing the ACA's Medicare cuts, then turned around and twice passed budgets that kept them, then campaigned against those cuts in the 2012 election, and are now embracing them again. Ryan also revealed Sunday that his plan to replace Medicare with a limited subsidy for seniors to buy their own insurance won't affect people currently older than 55. His budget will include the tax hikes from the fiscal cliff, which help him balance federal spending and revenues in 10 years without targeting older Americans with his Medicare plan.

      The TPM folks point out that this represents a "720-degree" flip-flop. At Talladega, a 720-degree spin is generally when parts of the cars start flying into the stands, injuring the spectators. The problem, of course, is that we all now have to go back and comb through Ryan's latest "budget" proposal and see how vitally it depends on the revenues derived from rental properties on the Planet Zontar, and the sale of Army surplus unicorns to the Syrian rebels. This may take some time.

      Or this:
      His budgets don't balance. The CBO has his picture up on the wall like the mug shots of stalkers that hang in the guard shacks of Hollywood studios. Actual economists look at his work, when he actually shows it, which is not often, and they tell the tales of it to their children to scare their children out of ever becoming economists. His performance on the national stage last autumn was a clown show of epic proportions. He is a Leading Intellectual Force in a party full of people who eat oatmeal with their toes.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:47:24 AM PDT

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    •  a serial zealot (4+ / 0-)

      A frequent but simplistic bandier of bad data, who does not let data get in the way of his rules.  A gunner-type frat boy, who got all intellectual after he read Atlas Shrugged, still hawking fake Tea patriotism and the wisdom of Grover Norquist.

      Is it just me, or has Ryan's Herman Munster thing gotten more prominent?

      All forms of fundamentalist thought breed magical thinking.

      by YankInUK on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:01:45 AM PDT

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  •  Ryan also believes that... (4+ / 0-)

    ...his spreadsheets create their own reality.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:25:56 AM PDT

  •  "We won the senior vote." (7+ / 0-)

    Oy. That's sustainable in't?

    Barack Obama for President

    by looty on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:28:07 AM PDT

  •  Died in the Senate, I think you mean. (1+ / 0-)
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    The Senate, where all legislation goes to die.  Most especially if it's endorsed by President Obama.

    •  No (0+ / 0-)

      because it didn't even get that far. The Senate didn't take up the repeal efforts at all.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:47:56 AM PDT

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      •  How does the House pass bills and then the (0+ / 0-)

        Senate doesn't get to take them up (or is this because Harry Reid just said no to consideration, which would still be a Senate action on the House repeal?).  Sorry - I just thought it was the Senate, in some fashion, stopping those repeals.

  •  Ryan: It's spellid L-O-S-E-R. You are so yesterday (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Why would anyone think (8+ / 0-)

    the retugs are going to stop attacking the ACA.  They're still trying to tear apart Social Security almost 80 years later and  Medicare  50 years later.  

    •  Bingo. This is how they win, people. (4+ / 0-)
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      By being relentless. Abortion has been "settled law", too. Right up until the time it isn't. (To mix verb tenses.)

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:19:53 AM PDT

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    •  Stop referring (0+ / 0-)

      to it as the ACA. Since Obama himself thinks "Obamacare" has a nice ring to it, adds a aire of permanence to it, the Repugs are trying to forget it. They want everyone to forget who stamped out "pre- existing condition".

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 01:26:42 PM PDT

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  •  I think there is a reason that we rarely hear (3+ / 0-)
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    Ryan mentioned a Presidential contender for 2016.  The GOP establishment knows he is damaged goods.  They don't want a loser.

    He is unlikely to get the nod, and if he did, he wouldn't be elected.

  •  "................well that's not gonna happen." (3+ / 0-)
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    Perfect.

    [America's] ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - President Barack Hussein Obama

    by PJHood on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:33:20 AM PDT

  •  And this is their "rising star?" (1+ / 0-)
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    Pathetic.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:41:21 AM PDT

  •  GOP has to work on its messaging....LOL (1+ / 0-)
  •  It gets so frustrating to see the same (9+ / 0-)

    thing over and over again from the GOP and then we turn around and vote them into office over and over again.  They hate SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.  Why isn't what's left of our journalists out there screaming that from the mountain tops and valleys?  They hate these programs.  Doesn't matter that we pay for them.  They still hate them, and would take all our hard earned money that has gone into these programs and turn them over to the profiteers on Wall Street.  Why can I see this yet so many refuse to, including seniors?  Good grief.  It's so frustrating to see a hate and fear based idiology trumping reason time and time again.  UGH@#$%^!

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:42:32 AM PDT

    •  Most people don't pay attention (5+ / 0-)
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      I work at a private school, our staff is highly educated and involved in the local community, but I am always amazed at how many of them are unaware of politics and policy on a national scale.  For a lot of folks it's boring and/or distasteful.

      •  Or they fall trap to the rightwing noise machine (0+ / 0-)

        My boss and I are the only ones who work here yet he thought if he gave me a 40 hour week he would have to pay for health insurance.  I told him he would need 50 employees before that was required of him.  And he doesn't even realize that the 36 hours I work are considered full time.  And he's a lawyer!  It's the blind leading the blind sometimes.  He was listening to his old office manager who left, who listens only to Fox.

        "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

        by AnnieR on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:09:35 AM PDT

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    •  Journalists? (1+ / 0-)
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      Almost every media outlet is owned or controlled by a corporation. And all of them are beholden to the corporations that buy what they sell........ ad space.
      There are no journalists in America anymore. What you read, see, or hear is straight from those who sign their paychecks

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 01:36:46 PM PDT

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  •  A cunning sort of stupid... (3+ / 0-)
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    The Continuing attempt to repeal Obamacare is a form of "strategery" not uncommon to the Republicans. Its "logic" works like this - they continually prop up a plan that does not offer progress, insisting "this is the only way we'll see progress," whilst simultaneously impeding progress through any other means and treating the President as if his election is not valid, so they can argue "see? He's not an effective President, or else we'd see progress. That's why we know our ways work best." What's left unsaid? "Because we won't allow any other way to work. We'll prevent those ways from getting voted into law, and if they do get voted into law, we won't fund them and force them to fail." It's like watching children of divorce sabotage their parents' attempts to move on to new romantic relationships only to keep insisting "this is proof you guys are meant to be together." Except I can forgive a child for wanting mommy and daddy to get back together. What the GOP is doing is just a fustercluck of global proportions.

  •  Don't tell me they're still passing (1+ / 0-)
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    bill after bill repealing Obamacare...

  •  So, whatever demographic voted for (2+ / 0-)

    you, you get to implement polices specifically geared to them? Hello, constitutional amendment banning abortion restrictions!

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:47:39 AM PDT

  •  Maybe Ryan is right (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm beginning to think Ryan may be right.  As much as I want health care for everyone, I don't think the ACA was the way to go.   According to a recent GAO report there are many assumptions within ACA that don't appear to be realistic.  As unions read the fine print of ACA they don't want it either.  

  •  You mock too soon (7+ / 0-)

    This is how the conservatives work. Nothing is ever decided. They never lose. They are still trying to overturn the New Deal; they are still trying to overturn Teddy Roosevelt's regulations of business; they are still fighting the Civil War.

    If you keep fighting and have billionaires willing to fund the fight, nothing is ever settled. No progress is ever secure.

    We should not be surprised; the tendency of wealth to concentrate in the hands of greedy people is well established, and the tendency of greedy people to manipulate the government to their own benefit is likewise well established.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:47:54 AM PDT

    •  I should have kept reading--I said the (1+ / 0-)
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      same thing above. As goes the aardvark, so goes the duck, apparently . . .

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:21:18 AM PDT

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  •  "We know it's not going to happen, Chris (2+ / 0-)
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    "It's just that we have to keep voting on something to justify our salaries. I mean, you don't expect us to actually govern, do you?"

    Republicans represent both sides: the insanely rich and vice versa.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:49:42 AM PDT

  •  In addition tp responding to everything (0+ / 0-)

    ..that comes out of "Crash" McCain's mouth with "Sarah Palin" - It's about time that whenever "Math Wizard" Ryan starts expounding on a "plan" - people should begin simply pointing at him and laughing.

    Which part of "you lost" is so hard for him to grasp, anyway?

  •  What a fraud (1+ / 0-)
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    He's always been adament that his Medicare plan doesn't change anything for people over 55 and now he's claiming that seniors supporting his plan for non-seniors means it's a winner.

  •  Ryan's puppetmasters are instructing (0+ / 0-)

    him to repeat the words for example "Obamacare" and "repeal" over and over again to make them stick to the collective consciousness of the public. It matters not if the idea was bad and that it had failed. It must be repeated until it(they hope) becomes reality. They are even calculating our negative reactions and counting on it as long as the words get repeated in the media. Ryan is a puppet.

    Here is the thing though...they don't exactly know how this repeating business goes when it comes to reality. It has a tipping point and once reached it backfires.

    They have reached to their tipping point.
    That, I know.

    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:55:34 AM PDT

    •  especially (1+ / 0-)
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      since they continue to think of "Obamacare" as a derogatory label. Fools, all of them. Obamacare will live on the lips of countless Americans forever.
      They think they were being clever, and stupidly, they still do. "Pre-existing Condition" is an extinct term, due to what everybody will remember as "Obamacare".
       Now, lets work to make "To big to Fail" another extinct term.

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 02:16:19 PM PDT

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  •  This is about 2016. (1+ / 0-)
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    He's still a dick though.  

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:55:35 AM PDT

  •  I like it (2+ / 0-)
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    when they get their talking points mixed up.  It's happening with the sequester too, in a big way.  The worst thing ever and it's not that bad and it's all the President's fault, and see how we saved money?

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:56:12 AM PDT

  •  he sounds nuts (3+ / 0-)
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    How can you argue Obama care is a failure before it is even implemented. Sounds like crazy talk.

  •  3 Years (4+ / 0-)
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    The American public has listened to all the wailing about Obamacare for 3 years since it was passed. In that time, they still see the same doctors, seniors get free preventive care and reduced Rx costs, millions, who could not get or afford health ins. have enrolled in high risk ins. programs, no child can be denied coverage owing to pre-existing conditions, thousands got refunds from their ins. companies who did not spend the required amount on actual services ..... and the world did not end and no one had to sit in front of a 'Death Panel".  Except for the radical fringe, I'm guessing most Americans realize that either nothing changed for them, or they experienced positive changes.

    The fight against 'Obamacare' is old and tired and reinforces the perception of republicans living in the long ago days.

  •  The budget is Paul Ryan's hammer, as it is with... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... all budgeteers. So you use the budget to make policy and to repeal policies you don't like.

    That's the GOP line right now and its leverage: use the Hammer of the Budget (aka deficits/debt/out-of-control-spending) to kill everything they and their previously dismissed forbears of the Far and Farther Right have never liked.

    Oh, but of course, members of the GOP feel perfectly free to redirect the money they will "save" to things they want. Such as the military, tax breaks and preferential rates for The Donors and Just Say No to [insert things they want to say No to].

    It's not hard to decode Paul Ryan's message. And write it large for the voters in 2014. In fact, the sequester and the current debate over cutting, slashing and burning the government might be just the way to go on the counter-offensive, to turn the other guy's thrust back on him. Our mistake in the 2010 campaigns was hunkering down, cowering and acting defensive, so the GOP controlled positioning of the issues.

    That need not happen next year!

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:59:56 AM PDT

  •  This guy has no shame (2+ / 0-)
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    or clothes. His veneer is completely gone. Sure, him and Mitt won the senior vote, but by how much? According to the Wall Street Journal, http://online.wsj.com/...
    Romney won 6 of 10 senior voters. Why? Because him and Ryan used generational warfare to scare the piss out of seniors.

    As a left leaning senior, I'm not in the least bit frightened by President Obama. But I am frightened for my children and their children if the republicans succeed in implementing their plan of turning medicare into a book of coupons.

    Also, turning medical insurance, education, air traffic control, law enforcement, and all the other services that governement does, over to business and corporations is a bad idea. Ryan's idea of a free market utopia is nothing but a scam and if implemented will only become a dystopia.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

    by harris stein on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:05:01 AM PDT

  •  I would argue against your premise.... (0+ / 0-)

    "I would argue against your premise that we lost this issue during the campaign..."

    Is there any issue at all that this uncaring - though serious and wonky cuz they say so - piece of legislature would actually admit that they lost???

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:06:27 AM PDT

  •  Billboards. Window Signs. Bumper Snickers... (0+ / 0-)

    Well, Mr. Ryan needs to be daylighted to heck!

    Meh. rAYN.

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:14:18 AM PDT

  •  A better system... (1+ / 0-)
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    They say that a lot. They never say what that system will be.

    "Rock is overpowered, but Paper is perfect." -Scissors

    by kamrom on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:17:32 AM PDT

  •  New definition of insanity: "A Paul Ryan budget". (0+ / 0-)

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:25:09 AM PDT

  •  DAMAGED GOODS (0+ / 0-)

    any time I see Ryan on TV now.  That's what comes to mind.

  •  They Lose the Senior Vote, Too (1+ / 0-)
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    Ryan added in the same interview, "I would argue against your premise that we lost this issue during the campaign: We won the senior vote."

    During the campaign, seniors voted for the Romney/Ryan package that included the promise "over 55 no Medicare/SS changes". But the new budget raised that age to 59, to howls of protest. Now nobody knows whether they'll promise 55, or 56, or 59, or maybe 24. After all, they're just promises, which Republicans design to break as soon as someone's traded something in exchange for them.

    Of course it's hard to tell how many seniors voted for Romney/Ryan merely because they're bigots, or too addled to care how Romney/Ryan would rob them once in office. And it's hard to tell how many more will do so in 2014 to keep these crooks in a position to promise.

    But it does seem that Ryan and his party are as deluded about their popularity and how they should act on it as they were in 2012. Many happy returns.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:34:24 AM PDT

  •  Ryan Shrugged n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Evolution IS Intelligent Design!

    by msirt on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:41:05 AM PDT

  •  Why is it that the (0+ / 0-)

    votes Republican got (senior's) count but the millions more that voted for a Democratic plan for the country don't count? I am so 'effing sick of this crap .... only the votes for Republican's count!!

    "Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think" - Jean de la Bruyere

    by Tinuviel on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:45:59 AM PDT

  •  I'm calling my Congressional members this (2+ / 0-)
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    morning to let them know how I feel about Rayns budget and Medicare/SS. Join me-866-584-3909. I will tell them all I favor a small tax for each transaction on Wall St., and I favpor cutting oil subsidies. They will also hear we MUST safe the safety net. SS/Medicare/Medicaid.

  •  Ryan vs Obamacare (0+ / 0-)

    Ryan's silly "budgets" have ALWAYS relied
    on FANTASY REVENUES, of which this 'saving' in just
    another examples.
    Not to mention ,yet to named AFTER 4 YEAR!,
    loopholes closing.

    It taken Pauly 4 years to accomplish what it
    took John McCain 4 decades - IRRELEVANCE!

  •  Why Is Anyone Even Interviewing Ryan On TV About (1+ / 0-)
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    this? Talk about beating a dead horse - oops, I keep forgetting it's FOX News.  Memo to Paul Ryan, FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, and all the other right wing/tea party nutcases out there - The Affordable Care Act has passed Congress, been signed into law by the President, was upheld by the Supreme Court, and (parts of the law) have already taken effect and some parts of the law are being enacted this year. YOU LOST - GET OVER IT!!!  That train has left the station and there is nothing left to talk about, debate, or replace...unless of course, you want to talk about putting in place a single payer, universal, Medicare for all health care system. The Dems better not cave to any hostage taking on replacing the ACA during the upcoming sequester negotiations. And Wisconsin Dems need to start looking for a good (Tammy Baldwin type) opponent to primary Ryan. We need to get rid of that reality challenged twerp.

  •  They are still trying to dismantle the new deal (1+ / 0-)
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    Why are we suprised they are still laying groundwork for HIR being a failure?

    They have a message and are sticking to it.  Wish Dems had same discipline at times.

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:49:46 AM PDT

  •  Here is an idea (0+ / 0-)

    "our budget does promote repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a better system."  Yes, it is called lets replace this frigged up insurance based system with a public, single payer system like the rest of the modern world.  One way or another we are going to have to get the cost out of the over bloated system of health care in this country.   How much of the costs is due to profits and excessive salaries up and down the supply chain that is riddled with middlemen?

    Looking at the rest of the world as an example, we should be spending less than half as much and we should be distributing the costs around more equitably.  The current system is propped up and funded entirely by those who who are buying into the insurance system.  The problem is compounded by employer sponsored programs where most of the costs are hidden from the consumer.  

    I don't think that Obamacare was intended to be the answer to this nation's healthcare woes.  I do think that it was meant to eventually force the issue to the point where it must be dealt with.

  •  None of the senior votes here! (1+ / 0-)
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    "I would argue against your premise that we lost this issue during the campaign: We won the senior vote."
    He's not my President, therefore I refuse to add the title "President" in front of his name.
    George W Bush
  •  What the hell do u expect him to say? (0+ / 0-)

    You start out negotiations offering up cuts to social security and Medicare and the net result is that you embolden a prick like Ryan to ask for more.  

    Stop it with this deficit nonsense already.

    The deficit is not a problem.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:28:49 AM PDT

    •  "the deficit is not a problem" (0+ / 0-)

      Yeah but, The Dow is a problem. We need to get it back down to 6500 where the GOP seem to prefer it.
                                    (snark alert)

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 02:46:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Obama's charm offensive fails again and again... (0+ / 0-)

    Guess Obama's charm offensive (inviting Ryan to lunch) didn't do diddly.  It never does.  

    Unless Obama was open to repealing his signature bill (stranger things have happened).  

  •  hey hatred of obamacare is live and well (0+ / 0-)

    just today i read thru a thread on FB from a girl who is 40 something. she's freaking out because she has to get a script in order to submit her OTC claritin for reimbursement thru something called a flexaccount. apparenty in the good old days she didnt have to do this. she was bitching about having to pay a copay to turn in her claritin. and having to go the doctor, which she hadn't had to go to in years. this started an avelanche of other responses from people who had no actual horror stories, but all of whom said things like "that's insane!"  "how ridiculous!"  "this is just the beginning!"  "Just wait, it's going to be horrible!"

    etc, etc. i finally posted, "how else could they know if you actually needed claritin without a scrip?" and "it's really cool that you are so healthy you haven't been to a doc in years! congrats!"

    no one responded to me. was like i wasn't even there.

  •  Why don't we pass a law (0+ / 0-)

    That states, once you lose an election of any level, you are no longer eligible to run for any office ever again, and I you want to run for a higher office you need to resign your current office, that would get rid of guys like Ryan.  If he was rejected once, why he a second chance.  How can w make this happen, it needs to be done, to save us from crazy politicians.

  •  00:53 (0+ / 0-)
    ...Wisconsin...  blah, blah, blah, the tools...
    So Eddie is using Scott Walker's scheme now.

    Tooljob.

    "Sell 'crazy' someplace else, we're all stocked up here." -Melvin Udall

    by hoof32 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 02:24:38 PM PDT

  •  Haven't I seen this movie before? (0+ / 0-)

    Groundhog Day 2: Deja Vu Paul Over Again

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