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Does the situation with North Korea remind anyone else of that old movie, "The Mouse That Roared"?

The Mouse That Roared

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  •  Not at all . (8+ / 0-)

    NK is real deadly , people are suffering at the hands of a sick twisted system .

    Drop the name-calling MB 2/4/11 + Please try to use ratings properly! Kos 9/9/11

    by indycam on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:40:54 PM PDT

  •  never saw the movie, but (3+ / 0-)
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    I thought the book was good, when I was a teenager.  And no, I don't see the NK situation as comedic.

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:43:29 PM PDT

  •  No, NK is in reality a dictatorship causing (5+ / 0-)

    harm to its own people and world stability. In the MTR the country was a little known country that was trying to make itself known/get a name for itself and never stood out, if I recall the book.

    I'll tell you what justice is. Justice is a knee in the gut from the floor on the chin at night sneaky with a knife brought up down on the magazine of a battleship sandbagged underhanded in the dark without a word of warning.

    by BFSkinner on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:45:39 PM PDT

  •  The Premise Was to Attack the US and Lose, Thereby (4+ / 0-)
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    qualifying for US foreign aid.

    I doubt even a bizarrocracy like NK can fail to realize the US is no longer politically able flood most other countries with cash.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:47:35 PM PDT

  •  I just figured that... (0+ / 0-)

    Kim Jong Un got to watch the remake of Red Dawn and figured the plot was doable.

    "We see things not as they are, but as we are." - John Milton

    by Jasonhouse on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:52:52 PM PDT

  •  Well, no . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    Grand Fenwick had the quadium bomb, a fictional device.

    THe DPRK has a real bomb, probably several, and the means to deliver it and cause mischief.  Whether their goal is to bluff us into giving them food and money again or to bring about their own destruction is currently a matter of conjecture.

    Place your bets, folks.  Personally, I think the bluff/destruction probability is 85/15, with a fudge factor of 5.  

  •  I think Stratfor has nailed it. (2+ / 0-)
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    They think that NK's leadership goal is to appear to be 1) insane, 2) dangerous, and 3) weak.

    The general idea is that we wouldn't want to push them too hard or they might do something like smuggle a bomb into LA even though that would lead to us wiping them off the face of the earth. But they aren't powerful enough to that we need to consider them an existential threat, so it is safer to let them foam at the mouth than to take them on directly. After all, their economy has collapsed and their people are starving.

    Notice that for all the insane ravings over the years they never actually do anything that provokes a major response. They kidnap or murder a few people, but not enough to start a war. They set off atomic bombs and shoot off missiles, but those never seem to work very well. But if we attacked them maybe they might get lucky and have one work and Seoul or Tokyo is incinerated. So we use sanctions and wait for the government to collapse. Surely they can't last much longer can they?

  •  Send Rodman back with a plan (0+ / 0-)

    to tell the boy general that it is game over and we would be delighted to send them food if he would just get off his high chair and stop throwing crazy fits.  "Honestly, what a place that could use some capitalism to sell some stuff too and they would work for less than the Chinese"  from Mitt Romney snark.

  •  for several years since the first reports began (3+ / 0-)
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    surfacing that the N Koreans may not have a working nuke at all but merely bits and pieces enough to fake their tests.  Also there is the problem of delivery since their delivery system limits them on targets, despite their boasts about being able to hit SLC.  (please no proposals about a single N Korean agent sneaking over the Mexican border with a baby nuke)

    Basically, what can be discovered about their tests and the results, it seems they are doing what Saddam did, claiming weapons they don't have in order to coerce neighbors.  I am expecting China to put them back on their leash in the fairly immediate future  

    •  Hard to fake several kilotons (1+ / 0-)
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      Also pretty easy to build a Little Boy design if you have high-enriched uranium. The Manhattan Project didn't even see a need to test it, it was that simple.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:18:41 PM PDT

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    •  You think they don't have a nuke bomb ? (1+ / 0-)
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      An official with the Korea Meteorological Administration shows a seismic image of a tremor caused by North Korea's nuclear test, in Seoul on Tuesday.
      Did they fake the 16 kt explosion ?
      The United States undertook hundreds of nuclear tests before developing reliable small warheads. But Acton says the North Korean program has been designed from the start to produce a compact weapon. That means it could have made real strides, even though this is just the third test.

      "There's also the possibility that the North Koreans have received outside assistance. That could make their task of creating a miniaturized warhead easier," he says.
      Initial indications are that the test involved the latest version of a plutonium-based prototype weapon, according to one current and one former U.S. national security official. Both previous tests involved plutonium. If it turns out the test was of a new uranium-based weapon, it would show that North Korea has made more progress on uranium enrichment than previously thought.

      The United States uses WC-135 Constant Phoenix "sniffer" aircraft to collect samples to identify nuclear explosions. These would need to be deployed quickly to detect whether highly enriched uranium rather than plutonium was used because uranium decays to undetectable levels within a matter of days. Plutonium takes much longer to decay.

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      by indycam on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:28:04 PM PDT

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      •  well there are various analyses of NK's claims (0+ / 0-)

        which cast a number of them in doubt.  here are a few sources, some of them dated.  There are more out there a simple search will show

        •  2nd time . (0+ / 0-)
          You think they don't have a nuke bomb ?
          Yes or no . I'm not asking about missiles or speculation from years ago .
          Right now today , do you doubt that they have the bomb ?

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          by indycam on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:12:26 AM PDT

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          •  at this point I don't know, not being privy to (0+ / 0-)

            various intelligence agencies' reports and having to rely on the media for what information I receive.  However the hysteria over NK is identical to what it was about 3 years ago or our continuing hysteria over Iran being 18 months from a nuke for 15 years or our insistence that Saddam had WMDs.

            This smells of the same stripe.  I would say I have doubts that NK has a working nuke with a working delivery system that can deliver a high megaton strike on, say, Guam or Japan.

            Even if they do, I don't see their overlords, the Chinese, allowing them to do this and if the hierarchy did so in spite of Chinese objections, NK would cease to exist as a nation within the hour and I don't think they are that crazy.

  •  this would end if china would openly (0+ / 0-)

    declare that north korea was no longer an ally and wouldn't come to their aid.

    •  The chance that China would do anything (0+ / 0-)

      that might lead to reunification, putting South Korean and US forces right on their border, are between nil and what are you smoking?

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:04:26 AM PDT

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  •  something else that we could do is fly (0+ / 1-)
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    jets over their fields fitted to act as crop dusters.. and every time they misbehave we dust their crops with agent orange.

  •  In the movie (0+ / 0-)

    the country that roared did not have nuclear weapons.

    "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

    by ParaHammer on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:57:19 AM PDT

  •  this is my one... (0+ / 0-)

    exception to no more conflicts...the decades long status quo of extortion, threats, and suffering just can't go on any more.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:18:26 AM PDT

    •  North Korea has fully embraced MAD (0+ / 0-)

      It has something like 18,000 artillery pieces in caves aimed at Seoul. The US does not have 18,000 cruise missiles, nor could it target them all, nor could it launch that many at the same time.

      Our only option is to wait for their brand of Stalinism to implode under the weight of its own internal contradictions so that a new kind of leadership can emerge, as with Gorbachev and Deng Xiaoping, or the Burmese military. They are of course doing almost everything they can think of to keep that from happening.

      The report that they are thinking of opening up Internet access, even a heavily censored version, for their university students suggests to me that Kim Jongun is the last of his dynasty.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:22:11 AM PDT

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