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Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, at campaign event for presidential candidate John McCain in Kenner, Louisiana. Date    4 June 2008
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has had to give up on his extremist plan to abolish the state's income and corporate taxes and replace them with a bigger, badder sales tax, but abolition of the income tax remains his goal:
In a speech opening the 2013 legislative session, Jindal is telling lawmakers that he is taking his plan off the table even as he said he will not "pout" or "take his ball and go home," instead asking lawmakers to develop and pass their own version of a plan to phase out the state's income tax, according to a copy of the governor's prepared remarks.
Whatever the ultimate plan looks like, eliminating the state income tax is likely to make taxes more regressive:
Bar graph showing that in states with no income tax, the poorest 20% of people pay more of their income in taxes than in states with income tax, while everyone else pays more of their income in taxes in states with an income tax, with people with the highest incomes getting the most benefit from not having an income tax.
And the evidence that the economic benefits Republicans like Jindal are always claiming for lower taxes are real is, shall we say, mixed at best.

Whatever happens with Louisiana's income tax, let's remember that Bobby Jindal's initial plan was too far, too fast for the state's Republican legislature. Recognizing a defeat was coming and pulling the proposal doesn't make him some kind of sensible moderate.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 12:37 PM PDT.

Also republished by Louisiana Kossacks, Daily Kos, and Daily Kos Economics.

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  •  It doesn't make him a sensible moderate, it makes (3+ / 0-)
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    him just a little bit less of a jackass.

    We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

    by Samer on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 12:55:08 PM PDT

    •  Actually is doesn't reduce his (3+ / 0-)
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      jackassedness at all. He just realized that his plan was going no where and took the political expedient route. Fold.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:01:56 AM PDT

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  •  Yeah and Louisiana is in such a great (6+ / 0-)

    shape, financially, that forgoing income taxes is absolutely the right thing to do.

    Just as recommending cuts to volcano monitoring was absolutely the right thing to do, just before a volcano erupted.

    The stupid, it burns.

    It's *Gandhi*, not Ghandi

    by poco on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 12:55:41 PM PDT

  •  Jesus H. Stockman on toast! (3+ / 0-)
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    "Okay, we won't raise sales taxes to (NOT) make up the revenue, but eliminate income taxes anyway."

    Governor Poindexter's FAIL-a-day funnies.

    Republicans represent both sides: the insanely rich and vice versa.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 01:47:59 PM PDT

  •  McCrory has same plan for NC (3+ / 0-)
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    And guess who's against it?

    None other than his Director of the Budget, Art Pope.

    Art Pope has figured out that with a huge sales tax hike, his cut rate discount awful stores that ply the poor with shoddy merchandise will take a beating.

    Popcorn time.

    Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

    by NCJan on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:32:53 AM PDT

  •  This raises a question for me, especially in (0+ / 0-)

    light of other diaries on today's front page that compare US corporate taxation to other countries:

    European countries tend to rely on Value Added Taxes, which are glorified sales taxes.

    If Europe is to be our model, why the sales tax hatred?

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:49:03 AM PDT

  •  Louisiana taxes food (0+ / 0-)

    As far as I know, Louisiana taxes food.  Most of the exemptions are medical.  This is not as regressive as some place in New England where luxury items are not taxed, but it is still pretty bad.

    OTOH, an income tax that had less than a 20K deduction for a family of four is arguable no less regressive.  A proper sales tax, that does not tax food or, for instance clothes sold at a resale shop, can be better than an income tax because it provides a family a choice on what taxes to pay.

    So, in Louisiana the tax plan is bad for lower income people, and the new plan is probably just going to make it worse.  OTOH, I am not sure if the sales tax rate is high compared to other states.

    My issue with sales tax is that it does not exempt most of the things that lower income people need, like food and clothes.  Most income tax, as mentioned, do not have sufficient deductions to make sure that people who really have not money to pay such taxes are not hit.  

  •  What a cowardly squirrel (0+ / 0-)

    You little shit, screwing the little people so badly was just too much for your bootstrap soul?

    [spits] Some days these little thugs deserve nothing more that utter contempt. What a waste of the race's genes, seriously.

  •  Bobbie Jingles as Maggie Thatcher in a play by (0+ / 0-)

    Grover Norquack with Dennis Miller in the role of Ronald Reagan. The play is set in the brain transplant operating theater of the Perdue chicken processing complex in  Maryland. The plot centers around the mystery of why  switching brains between Maggie and Ronnie seem to make no difference in intellectual performance but switching between either free market fanatic and an eight pound roaster  increases intelligence four fold.

  •  Ouch!....That must of hurt. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Jindhl (1+ / 0-)
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    dumb and dumber     besides sounding like a yapping dog, he has no sense at all

  •  That chart... (0+ / 0-)

    ...does demonstrate the regressivity of getting rid of the income tax, but I'm also staggered by how regressive taxes are even where there is income tax!

    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. ~Benjamin Franklin

    by TehWondahkitty on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:56:34 AM PDT

  •  They are trying (2+ / 0-)
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    to do this in North Carolina.  We need lots of data to prove that it will hurt all but the top 1%.  The Charts are a good start.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:57:33 AM PDT

  •  What happened? (1+ / 0-)
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    No really...I want to know the tick tock of how this didn't pass. Because this is every Republican's fantasy tax code. The fact that he couldn't get it passed should in a backwards GOP stronghold like Louisiana says something.

    •  Well, the plan was never a fleshed out plan, (1+ / 0-)
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      the numbers the administration released didn't add up and even  then kept changing. The plan managed to piss off almost everyone and every entity. From the poor, the ministers, the business people, etc. etc. The only one's supporting it were the Gas and Oil folks and Piyush has promised them an "exemption".
      To their credit, and buoyed by his falling favor ability ratings (38% approval, down from 51% in six months) the legislators (who previously lay down and rolled over for anything the governor wanted) refused to move forward without numbers that made sense.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:09:39 AM PDT

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  •  The people of Louisiana could send the Governor (2+ / 0-)
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    packing at this rate. His popularity has dropped like a rock in the last year from a favorability rating of 60% to 38%.

    This does not bode well for the Governor or others like him.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Onomastic on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:11:59 AM PDT

  •  so...Jindal now wants to eliminate income taxes... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but has no alternate way to raise money?

    Those pesky little details always get in the way. Like...how to make a brilliant idea like this actually work.

    •  Well, he and his highly-paid minions (2+ / 0-)
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      couldn't make the numbers add up,  so he'll kick the can down to the leges.
      You folks do realize that Jindal inherited a billion dollar surplus in January 2008 and spent it like a drunk sailor (with apologies to drunk sailors - myself included). Each year of his administration (5 years now) there has been a mid-year budget shortfall and more cuts were made.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:18:35 AM PDT

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      •  Basically he's trying to fix a problem that (2+ / 0-)
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        doesn't exist. There''s no great outcry to eliminate the income tax, from the citizens, only from the Koch Brothers and ALEC.
         

        "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

        by gritsngumbo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:20:17 AM PDT

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  •  Gilligan's Feet of Clay (0+ / 0-)

    Gilligan Jindal's in a win-win situation; He's made it clear he wants a regressive tax system (increasing his "I hate poor people" cred), and he's proposed perhaps the worst possible system. Now, ANY system looks "moderate" by comparison. Gilligan, you've done it again!

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