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If we are to believe the news we see, the vast majority of Republicans are against the idea of introducing the chained CPI for Social Security benefits.  Nearly every Democrat and independent seems to share that sentiment.  

To be frank, unless the President floated this as a way to polarize the public against the idea of a chained CPI, he's screwed the pooch so to speak.  If taking chained CPI off the table was the original goal, well, the President deserves whatever the equivalent of the Nobel Prize is in psychology and sociology to add to his Nobel Peace Prize.

Regardless, what are our goals and paths forward as Democrats and Progressives in the face of the current situation?  How do we ensure that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the VA not only do not suffer from the current situation, but that we in fact do a better job of ensuring the government's already-promised socioeconomic obligations are honored?

I of course have my opinions, but I'm really starting this with the hope of encouraging discussion.  It's late in my time zone, and I'll hopefully be able to check back in the next day or so.  In the meantime, the floor is yours.

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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)
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    lunachickie, samddobermann, CwV

    You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

    by JSc on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 08:49:03 PM PDT

  •  We need to pay for them (1+ / 0-)
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    Raise the payroll tax.  Social Security and Medicare are great programs, but if we really want them, we’re going to have to pay for them.

    Medicaid and the VA have no dedicated tax, but the same principle applies.  We need to go back to the tax rates of the Clinton administration.  If we are not willing to pay for the things we want, then we don’t deserve to have them.

    •  We've already paid for them (0+ / 0-)

      those below the cap for all our working lives, that is.

      I'm not sure I get the presentation of this point--we're not the "us" who doesn't want to pay for this. Perhaps I'm reading it wrong?  


      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 10:05:04 PM PDT

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      •  We haven't paid for Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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        The tax just goes for the hospital charges. Premium cover about 25% of the Part B, doctors and stuff. Part D is not funded; damn republican scheme.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:14:24 AM PDT

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    •  Not the tax but the cap. (1+ / 0-)
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      Now it is only about 110K, which means those who earn less pay their whole year, and those who earn more stop making payments when the total paid for that year is 110K.

      In prior times, what the cap did is cause 90% of workers to pay in, but because of the average income rising from odd sources driven by the desire not to pay taxes at all, now something in the 82-84% zone of workers pay in Part of what has to be done to make the SS payment more general is to get back to more people paying in, as well as raising the cap so that it takes in the same cap as the old cap did and then a bit more per year per worker who makes more than the old cap. Those whose SS tax would rise are those making more than 110K only, and those whose income such as carried interest, is not presently taxed at all will be in for the whole lot.

  •  Hasn't Obama Brought Up Chained CPI Twice? (0+ / 0-)

    He's the guy who keeps putting it back on the table.  Then when his Administration gets called out, they say it was a
    Republican idea.

    Hello?  It makes you wonder if the WH has realized yet that they won the election.  Connect the dots, people.  

    •  Hes Fighting for Chained CPI (1+ / 0-)
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      more than he did the Health Care Public Option.  Not only is he pushing it despited the resistance.  His mouthpieces are on the media saying Chained CPI is not a cut (i.e. they are lying) and he is taking Republicans and Wall Street Ecexs to lunch asking them to back it.

  •  I don't care who takes it off the table (0+ / 0-)

    So long as it is taken off the table chopped into tiny pieces burnt in a consecrated fire, doused with holy water, and buried in the nearest crossroads.

    Propriety prevents me from suggesting that those who placed it there and their defenders follow it as well.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:56:38 AM PDT

  •  Do I dare consider (0+ / 0-)

    that Obama has just maneuvered the republicans into the spot right where he wants them?  As I recall, chained CPI was originally their idea, which now they have to denounce frantically.  What better way to take Social Security off the table than to accede to republican demands.

    The man has proven his smarts before. . .

    I plan to wait and see.

    Canem Praeteri, Cave Modo Hominem (Never mind the dog, just watch out for the human)

    by T C Gibian on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 08:18:24 AM PDT

    •  Too late to rec, TCG but I am glad to see (0+ / 0-)

      someone gets it. Love your sig line too.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 04:45:11 AM PDT

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