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One would assume that the self-proclaimed party of personal liberty, freedom, and all that, the party that complains about onerous regulations strangling business, would respect a person’s wishes regarding whether or not guns should be allowed in their business, right?

Well, of course they do. Provided that anyone who doesn’t want guns in their business is held liable for any damages that occur if it is found that the presence of a weapon “may have” prevented injury -- while, at the same time, anyone who allows weapons on their property is immune from any injuries that do result. At least, that’s the way small government patriot, Missouri state Representative Caleb Jones (R), wants it to be.

According to the text of the bill:

 571.124. 1. Any private business that displays signage which prohibits public invitees, business visitors, and employees from carrying a concealed weapon on the premises owned or occupied by such private business shall be liable for any injury or damages incurred by such public invitees, business visitors, and employees as a result of such prohibition if such public invitee, business visitor, or employee establishes by a preponderance of evidence that having access to a firearm may have prevented his or her injury or damage.
            2. Any private business that does not prohibit public invitees, business visitors, and employees from carrying a concealed weapon on the premises owned or occupied by such private business shall be immune from any liability arising from its decision to permit concealed weapons to be carried on business premises.

Hat tip Think Progress. How’s that for small government? Small enough to decide what’s best for you, on your own property. Not surprising, though, for the party that wants to police the womb. And, apparently, arm it.

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Originally posted to Rachels Hobbit Hole (on Daily Kos) on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:31 PM PDT.

Also republished by Show Me Kos, Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), and Shut Down the NRA.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Guns (3+ / 0-)
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    Philpm, gffish, Glen The Plumber

    They have more rights than people in this country. They are not liable but in you don't have one everywhere you are liable.  Something like this will make the insurance for those business skyrocket

  •  Goddamn (3+ / 0-)
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    gffish, Losty, Glen The Plumber

    I need to find another state to live in.  I'm scared to death of our current crop of state legislators.

    Undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet. - Brian Griffin

    by Philpm on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 08:01:26 PM PDT

  •  Republished (sadly) to Show Me Kos. (eom) (1+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber
  •  Intresting juxtapisition (1+ / 0-)
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    Property rights vs. gun rights.  Either way the Republicans tick off part of their base.  

    What is more worrying is the lack of any exemptions for areas that are particularly dangerous (like near MRI machines or where explosive fumes may be a hazard).  

    Regardless of if its a good or bad idea, its terrible execution.  

    The Teabagers strike again.  

  •  Republicans are overextending themselves (1+ / 0-)
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    here in Missouri.  They can only maintain power at the State level thanks to gerrymandered districts.  In the state-wide elections, they're getting more and more swamped by sane folks in the cities.  And it's taking a while, but a lot of folks in the suburbs are finally waking up.  MO-34 in '10 was an open seat.  The Democrat (my brother) lost by a couple thousand votes.  In '12 he ran for the seat again, with less institutional support, without the newspaper endorsements he had the first time, and against the now-incumbent Republican Neth, and lost by only 212 votes, out of over 17 thousand votes cast, coming within a percent of an automatic recount.  A lot of those marginal suburban districts are gonna turn more blue as the whack-job Republicans from the in-bred parts of the state keep making asses from themselves.

    From such crooked wood as that which man is made of, nothing straight can be fashioned. -Immanuel Kant

    by Nellebracht on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:09:23 PM PDT

    •  And with that in mind (0+ / 0-)

      Rep. Jones represents the district between Columbia and Jefferson City, which is fairly rural, but also with plenty of suburban elements thanks to MU and JC being the capitol.  He also ran unopposed in 2012, and only garnered about 13 thousand votes.  He should be challenge-able, and even if he can't be beaten, he can at least be scared.  Neth, for example, hasn't really made a peep since he won his seat.

      From such crooked wood as that which man is made of, nothing straight can be fashioned. -Immanuel Kant

      by Nellebracht on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:18:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Property rights come with responsibilities. (2+ / 0-)
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    noway2, SquareSailor

    This law is actually an anti-discrimination law imo.

    Basically, if you go to the effort to open a store that invites the general public, you are forbidden to discriminate against a segment of the general public.

    Rights come with responsibilities. If you declaw your cat, you have removed the cat's ability to defend itself and you are morally obligated to fill the void that you created. If you remove a person's ability to protect themself, then you have a moral obligation to become that person's protector. To neglect that obligation for a person is as bad as taking a declawed cat and tossing it off to fend for itself.

    This isn't general private property rights like someone's residence, this is about the places that are zoned commercial. Like how james holmes drove past a theater that did not prohibit conceal carry in order to carry out his batman movie rampage at a theater that did prohibit conceal carry.

    Rights come with responsibilities, property rights included.

  •  The second part would likely be enough. (2+ / 0-)
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    noway2, SquareSailor

    The overwhelming reason that businesses post "no guns " signs is fear of liability.

    Make them explicitly not liable, and most posted businesses will change their tune.


    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
    "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

    by Leftie Gunner on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 10:00:06 AM PDT

    •  In many ways I see the only real compromise (0+ / 0-)

      answer on the issue of posting "gun buster" signs on businesses is to make them what is referred to as not having weight of law.  What this means is that one can safely walk past and ignore such signs but if you get noticed by the proprietor they have the right to ask you to leave.  If you refuse to do, you may be charged with misdemeanor trespass, but not a gun crime.

      This allows the business to have their safe feeling or whatever the silly sign begets them while those who aren't going to cause issues can pay it no mind.  It is a win-win.

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