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With all of the news coming out of the Boston area this morning, it would be easy to miss an important anniversary today. I live in Oklahoma. One thing I noticed this morning on my Facebook feed is that there is very little chatter about the breaking news in Boston, but very many "memorials" about that terrible day in 1995 when Timothy McVeigh also used violence to make a political point.

168 dead, including 19 children. If you've never been to the Oklahoma City Memorial, it is a beautiful, horrible, and pensive place to be. You should visit sometime. The Museum brings it all back home.

I suppose all of us Okies, who were here and aware at the time of the bombing, still have a little PTSD about it. We certainly cannot compare our reaction to the citizens of New York City on their terrible day, but we certainly can relate. Also, the people of Boston and Massachusetts have the right to their own reaction, that we can't claim to totally understand. But, again, we can relate.

The main lesson here: whether right wing, or left wing, Christian or Muslim, or...Political Violence is not to be taken lightly. Keep the people of Boston in your thoughts and prayers today. But don't forget NYC or OKC.

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    "You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody." - my dad

    by briefer on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:34:35 AM PDT

  •  I remember it well (4+ / 0-)

    We were in Ecuador adopting my son, and this was the first U.S. news we heard ... having been in Ecuador for 2 weeks and, in 1994, no access to internet down there and no access to international news sources either.

    Prayers for all those families, who still have holes in their hearts.

    "I like to fill my head with lots of interesting things. That way, the inside of my head is a fun place to be." Pickles, by Brian Crane, 3/17/2013

    by bjedward on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:51:50 AM PDT

  •  100 million good people for every bad one. One can (4+ / 0-)

    do so much damage. I remember all three though I forgot we were that close.

    Peace in Oklahoma.Hard to believe it's been so long.

  •  I too was thinking of OKC this morning (7+ / 0-)

    I spent 9 days digging through the remnants of the Murrah building and every year when this day comes around I think about those days; this year probably more so than for some years past.

    OKC showed the nation how be resilient in the face of unimaginable tragedy and now Boston is reinforcing that...unfortunately.

    Lets hope that today's events come to an end with no more loss of life, particularly for the law enforcement officers and civilians in the path of this craziness.

    Peace to all.

  •  I really like the chairs (5+ / 0-)

    at the memorial... That's a very (appropriately) haunting image.  Also, while me saying it will probably bother some people on this web site, I like the statue of Christ weeping across the street (at a Catholic church, if I remember correctly).

    "Optimism is better than despair." --Jack Layton, the late Canadian MP, liberal, and Christian.

    by lungfish on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:19:08 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, or remember fort hood, (0+ / 0-)

    or remember the first WTC bombing...

    This is a bit transparent, don't you think?

    I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

    by heybuddy on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:34:15 AM PDT

  •  I was stationed at Fort Sill (2+ / 0-)
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    then. We got called into a quick formation and told that everyone was to stay on base because, well, we didn't really know for sure. Medical personnel headed north and the rest of us ran into the barracks and tuned in. That's when we, like everyone else, realized what had happened.

    First time I had ever seen the base go into lock down. Eventually things calmed down, but I do remember everyone sitting there stunned, angry and wanting to do something, anything.

    Thank you for this diary.

    "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

    by just another vet on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:31:10 AM PDT

  •  My wife knew I was supposed to be in court in OKC (4+ / 0-)

    in the federal court house. She thought it was that day. The  early reports were that the federal court house had been blown up, and she couldn't find me. My office told her I was in court...however, I was in court in Bartlesville, not in OKC Fed Ct. that day. I had been in the federal court house the day before the explosion.

    When I finally got back into pager range (remember pagers?), coming back from Bartlesville, my pager went berserk with calls. I pulled over to a pay phone (remember those?) and called home. My wife was in tears.

    "You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody." - my dad

    by briefer on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:38:06 AM PDT

  •  I was there (6+ / 0-)

    Opening a door on the opposite side of the Murrah Building - I was going to the SS office about my youngest son's SS card, and then later to the theater to watch my son perform in the orchestra.

    I lost a large portion of my hearing forever that day.

    It was a week before I was allowed back on to retrieve my car, parked nearby but oddly undamaged. All the other cars had blown tires and broken windows.  Mine was intact.  They really knew how to build Buicks in the 70's. When they asked why my car was undamaged, all I could think to say was that I had really good insurance.  It was only later that I realized it was probably because I had a really old car.

    My son never did make it to the performance.  His school bus had technical difficulties and the doors jammed until after the bomb exploded.  A bus full of 6th graders never arrived and parked in the parking lot beside the Murrah building at 9:00 am as they were supposed to.

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    by Noddy on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:11:57 AM PDT

    •  Wow. (3+ / 0-)
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      Don't know what else to say at the moment, except nothing but love for you and yours.

      "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

      by just another vet on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:35:56 AM PDT

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    •  Wow is right. So you were on that 'plaza' side (2+ / 0-)
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      on the opposite side of the blast?

      So, this must be a tough day for you. Special respect.

      I've got a friend who used to work there and lost several friends in the blast. He still tears up on 4/19.

      "You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody." - my dad

      by briefer on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:49:03 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
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        The blast blew us back, those of us at the door.  None of us on that side were seriously hurt (the building itself blocked most of it).

        The sound ruptured everything in my ears, though and did some ear/brain  nerve damage so I have hearing loss that can't be surgically repaired or improved with hearing aids.

        I took mys sister and her husband to the Memorial once, but stood outside it and waited for them. I have to drive to it every day for work, because it's across the street from the Post Office, so I have sort of hardened up over the years. But I still haven't been inside the Memorial.

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        by Noddy on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:58:49 AM PDT

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        •  Might be a good thing. There's one room that (0+ / 0-)

          plays a recording made from an administrative hearing going on when the explosion happened. It's pretty horrendous. It might be good that you don't go in there to hear that, with what hearing you have.

          Sorry.

          "You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody." - my dad

          by briefer on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:19:21 PM PDT

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  •  I am also from OK (1+ / 0-)
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    I was in school then, and those terrible memories seeing the kids being pulled out of the ruble never really left me. Not only did we not give much thought about things of this sort happening to us in OK, I never thought about it happening in the US. My sheltered existence ended with that bomb, but I like to think it was more of an awakening rather than a shattering.

  •  Recall also that Wayne LaPierre justified (5+ / 0-)

    the bombing because of "jack-booted" thugs in the ATF.
    This outrage caused George Bush Senior to resign from the NRA--

    Letter of Resignation Sent By Bush to Rifle Association
    Published: May 11, 1995

    Dear Mr. Washington,

    I was outraged when, even in the wake of the Oklahoma City tragedy, Mr. Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of N.R.A., defended his attack on federal agents as "jack-booted thugs." To attack Secret Service agents or A.T.F. people or any government law enforcement people as "wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms" wanting to "attack law abiding citizens" is a vicious slander on good people.

    Al Whicher, who served on my [ United States Secret Service ] detail when I was Vice President and President, was killed in Oklahoma City. He was no Nazi. He was a kind man, a loving parent, a man dedicated to serving his country -- and serve it well he did.

    In 1993, I attended the wake for A.T.F. agent Steve Willis, another dedicated officer who did his duty. I can assure you that this honorable man, killed by weird cultists, was no Nazi.

    John Magaw, who used to head the U.S.S.S. and now heads A.T.F., is one of the most principled, decent men I have ever known. He would be the last to condone the kind of illegal behavior your ugly letter charges. The same is true for the F.B.I.'s able Director Louis Freeh. I appointed Mr. Freeh to the Federal Bench. His integrity and honor are beyond question.

    Both John Magaw and Judge Freeh were in office when I was President. They both now serve in the current administration. They both have badges. Neither of them would ever give the government's "go ahead to harass, intimidate, even murder law abiding citizens." (Your words)

    I am a gun owner and an avid hunter. Over the years I have agreed with most of N.R.A.'s objectives, particularly your educational and training efforts, and your fundamental stance in favor of owning guns.

    However, your broadside against Federal agents deeply offends my own sense of decency and honor; and it offends my concept of service to country. It indirectly slanders a wide array of government law enforcement officials, who are out there, day and night, laying their lives on the line for all of us.

    You have not repudiated Mr. LaPierre's unwarranted attack. Therefore, I resign as a Life Member of N.R.A., said resignation to be effective upon your receipt of this letter. Please remove my name from your membership list. Sincerely, [ signed ] George Bush

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    The modern NRA is simply a right-wing terrorist organization.

  •  Let us also not forget Waco (1+ / 0-)
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    20 years ago today.  The perpetrators of that heinous murder have never been brought to justice.

  •  the perpetrators of that murder, pjjohnson (2+ / 0-)
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    were Vernon Howells and his cabal. I figure they'll get their justice from their God.

    Further deponent sayeth not.

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:35:58 PM PDT

    •  oh, i forgot (0+ / 0-)

      those people attacked themselves.  it certainly wasn't the government.

      •  those people could've quit (0+ / 0-)

        before they knocked over their gasoline lanterns into their strawbale fortifications and their leaders shot one another in the head, yeah.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:45:48 PM PDT

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        •  sure (0+ / 0-)

          but when they were  attacked by government terrorists on made-up bullshit, why should they?  they had every right to protect themselves and stand their ground.

          •  shooting each other doesn't sound (0+ / 0-)

            real protective to me.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:14:07 PM PDT

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