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Syria is being bandied about and FOX NEWS and several members of the so-called left side keep churning the thick goo inside the fear pot, talking about if we need to go to WAR, who would push us into WAR and who should finally decide on how we should go to WAR... But FOX NEWS is usually the most evil demon than other news networks because they are solely a direct arm of the Republican Party and they have the money to go directly to the slow and uneducated ... And I know they're not going to stop.... But I just turn away and see them as clowns... and in my fantasy, their propaganda can be boxed inside the musical farce format... their speeches can be written in parodies patterned after the WEIRD AL YANKOVICk genre... I can't ignore them -- but i have to see paranoid hype as ridiculous

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  •  The MIC needs perpetual war for war profiteers. (3+ / 0-)
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    corvo, jamess, BvueDem
    •  And that war machine is bipartisan. (2+ / 0-)
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      BigAlinWashSt, protectspice

      As for Obama, he's now dealing with the consequences of having gone on about "red lines" regarding Syria.  Of course the Republicans are going to play this for everything it's worth, and then some.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:04:10 PM PDT

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      •  If Syria is using (1+ / 0-)
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        TheKF1

        chemical weapons, and keeps doing it, should we use force to uphold international law or look the other way?

        What's your "red line?"

        It's a serious question. How many deaths by chemical weapons should we tolerate?

        What if we don't respond to the use of chemical weapons in Syria, and other countries see that as a signal that they can now use them?

        I'm not for or against the use of force. I don't have access to the intelligence so I don't know enough. But why is unreasonable for Obama to draw a line at chemical weapons?

        I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

        by heybuddy on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:31:00 PM PDT

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        •  "should we use force to uphold international law" (3+ / 0-)
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          mickT, Ray Pensador, protectspice

          Hey, I've got a great idea!  How about we start following international law ourselves?

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:39:28 PM PDT

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          •  you avoided the question. (4+ / 0-)
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            I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

            by heybuddy on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:46:00 PM PDT

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            •  It was a worthless question. (2+ / 0-)
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              mickT, Ray Pensador

              But how about this: We can enforce international law once (1) the UN charges us to do so and (2) we start obeying it ourselves.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:48:01 PM PDT

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          •  So... (2+ / 0-)
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            You're suggesting that the USA and Europe should simply sit by as Assad slaughters his own people, making a mockery of international law and the Responsibility To Protect because hey, the USA has done things wrong too?

            Come on.

            •  Oh, no. (1+ / 0-)
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              protectspice

              I'm suggesting we support a group of Al Qaeda- and Saudi Arabia-backed jihadis while they exterminate Syrian minority populations.

              That's really the only other option in this little game.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 04:58:23 AM PDT

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            •  The USA and Europe are not just (0+ / 0-)

              sitting by. Wake up. WE have already TRAINED and ARMED rebels, (do some research), lending support to groups that have ties to Islamic extremists. But whatever, we have to bomb those damn brown people.

        •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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          It is quite easy really. Obama drew one, and only one line. WINEP, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and FOX news only care about that one line.

          There is no Red Llne about arming Al Qa'ida in Syria. Why is that?  You would think that given our history with Al Qa'ida, we would throw all sorts of proclamations, condemnations, etc at anyone that dares support Al Qa'ida. Oddly enough, we only care about them in the States or when they threaten Western interests in a place like Mali.

          An Islamic Jihadists with roots from Chechnya kills  a Americans, and we are blaming the President and the FBI and everyone for not listening to Great Mother Russia.

          Meanwhile Russia has been saying for over a year (and everyone outside of the beltway knows) that there is a large Al Qa'ida/Global Jihad presence in Syria.

          To date, we have issued one mealy-mouthed statement about the Nusra front. Treasury is not hunting down their financial support. Special Ops are not targeting their hiding places. Instead, we praise their 'advancements' (i.e. blowing up buildings) as a great day for the 'Freedom' army.

          So WINEP is driving the discussion on Syria in the media and in the beltway. Google Andrew Tabler and you will see just how often one single source is used in leading articles. And when someone dares venture from WINEP for news, they go to the March 14th Sunni/right wing block in Lebanon. Again, no desire to even view another viewpoint or another direction is done by anyone in the beltway.

          So yes, that stupid 'Red Line' is idiotic and shouldn't have been done. Or if it was, it should have been done with an equal degree of pressure on those fighting against Bashar.

          But then us taking a morale stand when it comes to foreign policy has never been our strong point. There is no money in it. Greedy Bastards Inc. has their mind made up on making Syria crumble and it will be done.

          Andrew Tabler will never feel the backlash. Just like none of the people that armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan felt the backlash for their 'clever' use of non-standard actors to accomplish their agenda.

        •  There is no red line (0+ / 0-)

          Never has been, never will be. Name one red line that has ever been consistently enforced. I dare you to name one.

          Number two, what gives the United States or any nation for that matter, the right to intervene in a sovereign state?

          Number three, how can you sit there and not notice the similar patterns of demonising foreign leaders, unverified reports, etc etc leading to calls for a humanitarian intervention, etc etc leading to a bombing campaign etc etc  leading to future instability, the application of radical free market policies(which was always the main consideration anyway), etc etc and still ask for more war?

  •  I wish we'd done in Syria what we did in (0+ / 0-)

    Libya. Too late now. Whoever takes the reins in Syria now will inherit a wrecked, traumatized  country.

    •  Me too! I loved failed states (2+ / 0-)
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      Especially ones that provide safe areas for extremists to train and expand.

      Armed groups have proliferated across Libya since the revolution, and the authorities have been struggling to bring them under control, even as they have also relied on them to maintain security. Militias have filled up the vacuum left by the crumbing of Mr Gaddafi’s hated police force and the break-up of his army.

      Local observers and former government officials blame the decision to place ex-fighters on the government payroll for the mushrooming of local militias many of which engage in human rights abuses and often also criminal activity. Some, especially in the east of the country, also pursue extreme Islamist political agendas.

      FT

      It just fills my heart with joy that Sunni Extremists in Darna no longer have to worry about any pesky state bothering them.

      Soon Syria will be 'Free' of any government hindrance on the extremists.

      Next stop? Jordan!

      Can't wait.

      Remember Zarqawi? The name comes for the town of Zarqa' in Jordan where he was from. The extremists in Jordan are just loving the way things are going.

      So let's make sure we take out every stumbling block in their progress.

      Then we can all do a Bush and claim ignorance when it backfires.

      •  Well these tyrants are going down, (1+ / 0-)
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        one way or another, and if we tacitly support those dictators we only bestow on the Islamists the mantle of the Liberator, like with Khomenei.

        But on the other hand, that same reasoning argues for nonintervantion in Syria, because any faction we foster will be called puppets and illegitimate by the Islamists.

        But on the other other hand, the people of Syria want this over, would be glad for outside help and are perfectly able to discern who's a puppet.

        I go with that last paragraph.  As for the militias, these countries will have to work out their own national cohesion. Bottom line: dictators legitimize jihadis.

        •  Have you been talking to Syrians? (0+ / 0-)

          "But on the other other hand, the people of Syria want this over, would be glad for outside help and are perfectly able to discern who's a puppet."

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