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Yes, I am talking to you, unimaginative hack with credentials supplied by ESPN.

Chris Broussard had an opinion about the Jason Collins coming-out party, and I commend him for being willing to stand his ground in the face of what appeared to be a tidal wave of rationality. And I'm tempted, you know, to love the messenger and hate the message. But I can't here, because the two are so irrevocably intertwined that his message cannot be loosened from the grips of the psychological, moral, and intellectual deficiencies that power it.

Chris Broussard took to the air to not only push back against Jason Collins, but to outright deny that Collins - and by extension, any homosexual - could be a Christian:

"Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly ... like premarital sex between heterosexuals. If you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says 'you know them by their fruits.' It says that, you know, that’s a sin," Broussard said during a segment that also included gay ESPN columnist LZ Granderson. "And if you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality -- adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals -- whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. So I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I don’t think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian."
Very bold, that pundit, what with his ability and willingness to speak on behalf of the version of God that he's conveniently created for himself.

Broussard's words aren't exactly groundbreaking except for the medium that carried them. Most of the reaction coming out of major sports networks was positive, or at the very least inquisitive. What Broussard's message does embody is a level of cowardice displayed by all of the fundamentalist crusaders who choose to make homosexuality their pet cause among the myriad of sins in the Bible.

If you read Broussard's statement, you will see that he tries to equivocate, adding in additional "ongoing" sins that he believes to disqualify a person from Christianity. But here's the thing - I've never seen Chris Broussard speak out against fornication or people who cheat on their wives. I missed the part where he ran to the airwaves to condemn Kobe Bryant as someone damned to hell when he cheated on his wife. If he's criticized those things before, it's certainly true that he did not do so in the form or fashion deployed in this situation. Because I know for sure if Broussard wanted to crusade against pre-marital sex among athletes, then he could choose any number of the probably thousand of guys who do it on a daily basis.

But he hasn't. And he won't. Because he's a coward.

That brings us to the seminal question: why then is he speaking up now? And why do all self-appointed defenders of God cling to this singular issue?

It's because this issue is easy. Like frightened 12-year olds new to Pony League, they're unsure how to lead off of first base. So they stay, foot affixed to the bag, right where it's comfortable. Because for the demographic that runs the fundamentalist movement - straight males like me and Chris Broussard - "gayness" is a sin that will never tempt us. When I watch movies with the two Ryans - Reynolds and Gosling - I'm just not encouraged to take off my pants and dance.

But you know what does tempt me? Pre-marital sex and practically every other sin in the Bible. Because most of those things are actions. Choices. Decisions that can be made by me and have been made by straight men in the past. Railing against those "sins" is dangerous for a fundamentalist like Chris Broussard, because there is always a chance that he could fall victim to one of them in the not-so-distant future. But homosexuality is a safe haven, and he uses his shield of straightness as cowardly cover.

It's really a modern attempt to do what humans have attempted to do for centuries. He and the others are looking to justify their own goodness, and like most, they seek that goodness in comparison to those around them. By focusing on a "sin" that they have never committed and one that they will likely never commit, they can elevate their own moral authority over those people they perceive to be weak or, in the simplest sense, "bad."

This is moral and intellectual bankruptcy at its finest. Even for someone who believes in the efficacy of the entire Bible, there is a myriad of sins - even "ongoing" sins - that could be condemned. Discussing the ills of ongoing greed is scary, especially for someone pulling down a suitable ESPN salary. Discussing the worship of the American idol of money is off limits for a driven male in love with the religion of unfettered capitalism. Even discussing other forms of so-called sexual immorality is tricky, since these are things that regularly tempt straight men.

But talking about homosexuality? That's easy. And it's lazy. And most of all, it's cowardly. Chris Broussard displays the lowest form of human judgment: standing in judgment not of an action, but of an immutable status, while pretending that his "decision" not be gay provides him with some sort of moral authority. It's a perversion that harkens on the white-is-right philosophy that equates a non-chosen, birth-imposed physical status with superiority.

What Jason Collins did this week was brave, and it was liberating. In return, Chris Broussard shrunk from the moment, and his response showed the sporting world that he's little more than a man left with one foot on the shore of modern bigotry as a ship called Progress sails away.

Originally posted to Coby DuBose on Criminal Injustice, Race, and Poverty on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM PDT.

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  •  I mean, personally, (9+ / 0-)

    why does anybody care what this individual's personal opinion is?

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:03:24 AM PDT

  •  I would propose that most the fingers pointing (19+ / 0-)

    at others sins, have the other four fingers pointing right back at themselves. The loudest amongst them, married several times, premarital sex, etc but you, over there, yes you! you are bad, me don't look behind the curtain, but I am good, live like me. Sad, really very sad. I had a whole carpool van of 'christians' point their fingers at me in rage that I would support a homosexuals rights to be, not be anything, just be. Most had been married at least twice and most had children out of wedlock. Personally I do not care, what they do, their 'marriges' have nothing on me, and so long as CONSENTING ADULTS are involved don't give a flying Fuc! what they do. But do not point your finger at me or it will be a very uncomfortable van ride home. It was... for them...Hate the haters is my new motto. Now let me have it!
    Peace and Blessings!

    United we the people stand, divided we the people fall.

    by Penny GC on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:09:07 AM PDT

  •  Interesting point (12+ / 0-)

    I never really though about "sins" being classified as "choices" versus "physical attributes". And you're right the bigots and small-minded always seem to focus on the attribute sins likely as an easy fool-proof way to always feel superior and "good".
    Just sad when you think of it. Also enjoyed your play on the "hate the sin love the sinner" mantra you hear from so-called Christians. Is there a more condescending attitude?

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:20:54 AM PDT

    •  I always ask why hate what is not a sin? (4+ / 0-)

      I don't think sex between two people of the same sex is a sin any more that between two people of the opposite sex.

      Of course if you abide by sex between Adam and Eve being the original sin of all sins, I have to admit that you have me there.

      Why not say we are all sinners, and call it a day?

      In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

      by Sixty Something on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:01:36 PM PDT

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      •  Psychologically speaking (12+ / 0-)

        that does not provide the sense of moral superiority that comes with condemning specific sinners for specific sins. And that feeling of moral authority is partly what is at the root of truly authoritarian versions of Christianity (and other religions, as well).

        It's a symptom of the bastardized version of modern Christianity that's been born out of many fly-by-night mega-churches. People use Christianity in many ways as a personal ATM. What can THEY get out of it. How can God make THEM better? This leads to using Christianity in ways that make it less than useful.

        The only sort of Christianity that I have use for is the kind that follows Jesus's example of doing good for people, and in doing that good, improving one's self. This is at the heart of many of the world's religions, and it is as close as Christianity comes to truth. Because if you truly believe that there is a God and that Jesus was him in human form, then you have to believe that the example of Jesus is how people are supposed to live.

        "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

        by Grizzard on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:06:10 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with everything you said EXCEPT... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...for the fact that it isn't just a symptom of "the bastardized version of modern Christianity" - it's a fact of basic human nature.

          Off the top of my head, here's a quick list of examples:

          * Tobacco use ("I don't know how ANYONE could even START that habit.")
          * Indiscreet clothing ("I would never let my daughter dress that way...")
          * R- and X-rated films ("How can anyone ENJOY this?")
          * Public displays of affection ("I would never suck face like that in public.")
          * Tattoos/piercings ("I would NEVER do that to my body.")
          * Recreational drug use (insert criticism here)

          I've heard believers, agnostics, and committed atheists alike say all of the above (although most adults don't use the term "suck face"...)

          Now, religion often steps in and acts as a "force multipler", in that religious bodies tend to be groups of like-minded people--much like the community here--which leverage their numbers to boost their collective profile and amplify their collective voice.

          That desire to feel superior is human nature - nothing more.  Some seek it through knowledge (who didn't have a 'know-it-all' in their school?), others through physical feats or physical development, and still other through moral pronouncement.

          Now for the tough question - do you think that the folks here who so roundly criticize the bigotry of others feel that "sense of moral superiority that comes with condemning specific sinners for specific sins" to which you refer?

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:21:18 AM PDT

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      •  from South Pacific (3+ / 0-)
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        "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught," (Lyrics from South Pacific.)
        You've got to be taught to hate and fear,

        You've got to be taught from year to year,

        It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear,

        You've got to be carefully taught.

        You've got to be taught to be afraid

        Of people whose eyes are oddly made,

        And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,

        You've got to be carefully taught.

        You've got to be taught before it's too late,

        Before you are six or seven or eight,

        To hate all the people your relatives hate,

        You've got to be carefully taught!

        and to add a verse:

        You've got to be taught to hate THE GAY

        You've got to be taught they weren't made that way
        You've got to be taught you can pray it away

        You've got to be taught to hate.

        You've got to be taught to hate THE GAY
        cause they don' have sex in the USUAL way.
        Don't do as I do- just do as I say
        I'm not gay, I'm not gay, I'm not Gay.

        As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

        by BPARTR on Wed May 01, 2013 at 12:15:38 AM PDT

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    •  Good question! (1+ / 0-)
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      Is there a more condescending attitude?
      Why, yes, there least, there's one of near-equal condescension:

      "I don't know how ANYONE sane could call themselves a Republican."

      "What kind of idiot votes for these people?"

      "Republican voters are just stupid."

      The ugly truth is that, even when religion isn't used as a justification, almost ALL of us have difficulty in exercising dissent without condescension.  It's a human thing.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:53:51 AM PDT

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  •  CB's not a coward. He's kinda typical. (6+ / 0-)

    Having had to deal with different attitudes and beliefs amongst the black men who have passed through its studios, ESPN knew there would not be agreement on the Collins story. It would not be all 'what a wonderful moment in time this is.'

    Guys like Broussard have been so brainwashed and indoctrinated into a narrowcast view of the world and who they are as black men, that there is no room for variance. Yet as others have noted, it's fine to sire dozens of kids you walk away from. Or kill because you've had your ego bruised. But loving another man? Or let another man's (y'know) into your (y'know)? Now you've challenged the guy! Who lets another man so intimately into their personal space like that?

    What I would find as a fascinating moment is to have Steve Harvey interview Jason Collins.

    Harvey's a very hetero guy. Yet, a buddy of Ellen DeGeneres. Who also drapes himself in religion. Broussard didn't let the news hold back or alter his views. How will other masculine black men handle it?

    cheerleaders need not apply.

    by kravitz on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:26:42 AM PDT

    •  Have to disagree w/ you & agree w/ Grizzard (18+ / 0-)

      It is most certainly cowardly to hold to this attitude that gayness is the one sin among them all that must be publically challenged. That said, yes, it is a typical attitude; that does not mean it isn't cowardly. Cowardace is all too typical in our culture; if it weren't, would we bother to single out acts of bravery for notice?

      That such cowardly attitudes come from brainwashing and indoctrination makes them no less cowardly. Indeed, the willingness to submit to these thought-control forces is a failure of heart, a failure to hold as solid the beating of one's own heart in the face of falsehoods. Courage (which is rooted in the the French word for heart=cour) comes from having the heart to live truly, rather than regurdgitate falsehoods that capitulate oneself for the sake of the opinions of others.

      PrezObama's only mistake in the sequester is that he assumed that the Republicans would be more loyal to their oath of office to serve the people than their oath to Norquist to never close tax loopholes.

      by SilentBrook on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 12:39:49 PM PDT

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      •  Umm, kravitz has a legit point (2+ / 0-)
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        If you want to call it cowardice, so be it; however, in describing some AA male's worldview, kravitz is actually right.

        Every two weeks or so, I go to an AA barber shop to get my hair cut. Many of the males who work there fit the description to a tee. Very religious, but have a twisted view of Christianity.

        Many of them proclaim that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior; however, it is always verses from the Old Testament that they follow and listen to. And typical of many fundamentalist of any religion, they quote partial verses out of context to justify a certain view point.

        Whatever happened to 'love those like you would love yourself'?

        At my stepfather's funeral, this issue came up as well. Heard the typical "condemn the sin, not the sinner". At this point I stated that if that's the way you feel, that's your right. However, just do us all a favor and just OWN IT. Don't hide behind the Bible. Just own it.

        So, I do agree with you that Broussard is a coward because he is hiding behind the Bible. However, concerning the attitudes of some (but not all) AA males, kravitz is unfortunately correct.

        •  You hit the nail on the head with this: (0+ / 0-)
          if that's the way you feel, that's your right. However, just do us all a favor and just OWN IT. Don't hide behind the Bible. Just own it.
          That's another version of "I was just following orders". Stop blaming your deity for what you believe. Even if your deity actually does say that teh gay is teh icky, if you accept that as true, then you give it your full endorsement. So, unlike what I heard from my parents pastor who said "Your argument isn't with me, it's with God". Uh, yes, it is with you, because you endorse that belief and as a minister actively try to induce others to believe the same way.

          Where I believe Kravitz's contention is valid is in that so many fundamentalists who grow up in that environment aren't just taught certain conclusions. They have anti-thought, anti-intellectualism drilled into them. Christian fundamentalists are taught by those in their leadership ranks that they are not to have their own thoughts, but are to conform all of their thoughts and actions to God's ways (of course, as they define them). The pastor of the SBC church I attended in my late teens and early to mid-twenties said more than once that "we are not to be autonomous".

          It doesn't mean that those who stay in fundamentalism aren't responsible at all as adults for what they believe, but it does I think paint a more realistic picture about how much pressure is placed on people to conform - how much leadership attempts to control those under its sway.

          liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

          by RockyMtnLib on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:08:49 AM PDT

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    •  The cowardice (3+ / 0-)
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      He claims to believe that heterosexual sex outside of marriage and homosexuality are equally worthy of condemnation and equally disqualify people from being Christians.

      If he wasn't a coward, we would see him attacking all those openly heterosexual athletes who engage in sex outside of marriage, rather than just an abstract disclaimer.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:17:42 PM PDT

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    •  no Broussard *is* a coward (0+ / 0-)

      Anyone who recalls his ridiculous ass-kissing of Lebron knows what I'm talking about. He's a cheap hack.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Wed May 01, 2013 at 12:08:07 AM PDT

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  •  well Leviticus says it's wrong (17+ / 0-)

    and Broussard respects the Bible and knows that Leviticus is clear on the subject.


    Leviticus 19:27

    "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

    Now take a look at the photo. Is that goatee not trimmed? It's not a full beard, is it?

    I consider that would make him a hypocrite.

  •  To extend the point (22+ / 0-)

    female reproductive rights fall into this category. It's not surprising that fundamentalism, driven largely by straight males, focuses its efforts on two "sins" - abortion and homosexuality - that are not practically possible for straight white males.


    "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

    by Grizzard on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 12:14:17 PM PDT

  •  I have a problem with Chris (3+ / 0-)
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    twisting scripture (You will know them by their fruit). The one he pulled was about false prophets and hypocrites (whom God actually hates), the fruit of a same sex relationship can be [love], so fuck you Chris. Kobe Bryant was one of the first to voice his support for Jason and never said there was [nothing] wrong with his infidelity, I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

  •  Oh dear, Mr. Broussard. (10+ / 0-)

    Perhaps your God is testing your charity? Not looking too good if so, is it?

    Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?

    by gelfling545 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 12:40:26 PM PDT

  •  Please correct me, if I'm wrong (3+ / 0-)

    But (supposely) after God created us, the last thing he gave us was "free will"?

    Are you a good witch or a bad witch?

    by misschris on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 12:40:49 PM PDT

  •  I've heard this before. (13+ / 0-)

    The "not truly a Christian" line. The youth pastor at the church I formerly attended used that with my younger brother when he wanted to date a Catholic.

    "We don't know if she's saved." Aka, not a real Christian.

    Same youth pastor, at the request of my parents, gave me a list of "appropriate" churches to attend when I went off to college. I attended a Franciscan college for a few years and my mother "feared" for my spiritual health by going there. Not surprisingly, it wasn't the Franciscans that made me quit the church. I rather liked the nuns that taught there.

    But in any case, not a surprising theme here. These are the same guys who will tell you who a "real American" is.

    •  How true. (9+ / 0-)
      But in any case, not a surprising theme here. These are the same guys who will tell you who a "real American" is.
      During the Bush administration, nothing made me angrier that being told I wasn't patriotic unless I supported, Bush, supported war, and on and on.  In their words, not a "real American.

      Chris Broussard can shove it.  I refuse to allow him to tell me I am not a good Christian if I refuse his brand of homophobic Christianity.

      Oh, and ESPN should fire his ass.  When a sports network becomes a platform for religious proselytizing, its time to let those doing it look for other employment.  

      In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

      by Sixty Something on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:14:35 PM PDT

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      •  Most definitely. (2+ / 0-)
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        The most surprising about this article to me is that ESPN let this jerk get face time.

        Somehow, I think all these efforts on the part of Broussard and his ilk will find that it completely backfired on them. Hopefully, then, Jerry Falwell's legacy of bringing all this insanity into politics will finally die.

    •  I graduated from Baylor University in 1961. (9+ / 0-)

      I was raised a Southern Baptist, my mother was, my grandmother and my great-grandmother as well. I thought I was a Christian. I went to Sunday school regularly, but in my teens I began to drift away from the church but not from my religious beliefs.

      At Baylor, I had six roommates who were training to be ministers and I knew many others. One day one of my roommates asked me when I was baptized. I said that I never had been baptized. I had no particular reason, it had just not happened. He said that I was not a Christian.

      Thereafter there was a parade of ministers-in-training coming to my dorm room to try to convert me. It was very interesting, but during those discussions I remembered that  Jesus was not a Christian either, so I became a golden-rule concretist, one who believes in making the Golden Rule of Reciprocity a concrete thing—a working system of government that implements the self-evident truth that “all men are created equal.”

      And I have lived happily ever after.

      Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

      by hestal on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:32:06 PM PDT

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      •  I think its safe to say that (7+ / 0-)

        there ought to be a rule similar to Godwin's law. The moment someone says "You're not a real Christian" (or "You're not a real American") they automatically lose the argument.

        •  Kind of a nitpick, but Godwin's Law (0+ / 0-)

          says nothing about losing or winning the argument.

          "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

          Mike Godwin was only saying that the probability of a Nazi or Hitler comparison/analogy being made rises to certainty as a discussion continues.

          Of course, bringing this up is like trying to rebuke the tide because Internet culture has basically MADE Godwin's Law say something it absolutely doesn't...

          The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

          by jayjaybear on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:26:02 AM PDT

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  •  I have a lifelong friend who is a devout (9+ / 0-)

    Southern Baptist. He and I grew up in the Southern Baptist church but I drifted away in my teens. We were playing golf a few years ago and I mentioned a new television series that was about doctors at work in a large hospital. I said that I liked the show, but I just couldn't take the gore and I had to stop watching it. He said that he and his wife had stopped as well, but not because of the gore. He said that one of the characters was portraying an openly gay person, and that was not appropriate. We talked on for a little bit, with him doing most of the talking, and then he closed with the line, "Oh well, hate the sin, but love the sinner."

    I didn't ask him what that meant, because I did not want the conversation to continue. But I would like to know what it means. I honestly can't figure it out. But it must mean something in particular to Southern Baptists.

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

    by hestal on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 01:54:31 PM PDT

    •  Oh it's common (14+ / 0-)

      it means, in effect, I am condemning everything that you do, everything that you stand for, and the basics of your entire being...but I LOVE you!

      I find it impossible to communicate that a person's very nature is against your entire conceptualization of what is good and proper while still loving them.

      It's a complete cop-out that allows fundamentalists to feel good about themselves, because, you know, the Bible says not to judge "people." So they've created a nice loophole that allows them to judge people without judging people.

      I don't care if they want to judge people. Judging people is not exclusive to Christianity, fundamentalism, or religion. I just get annoyed when they pretend that is not going on.

      "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

      by Grizzard on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:00:28 PM PDT

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      •  I see what you are saying, but I should have (4+ / 0-)

        asked my question in a different way.

        I am trying to understand how my friend justifies this thing to himself. I am wondering just how a Baptist preacher, standing in the pulpit, would explain this concept.

        I agree with what you are saying about what is really going on, but I am trying to understand what the church could possibly be saying to make my friend buy it. He is a very smart guy, so he must have been given some rationale to keep his thoughts in line with what the leaders of the church are saying. But I can't figure out how they sell this concept to intelligent people like him.

        Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

        by hestal on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:22:26 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, it isn't just a "Baptist thing"... (0+ / 0-)

      If memory serves, the source is the writings of St. Augustine around 400AD - he said something along the lines of "with love for mankind but hatred of sins," and it has morphed into "love the sinner but hate the sin."

      I won't bore you with the theology behind it; suffice it to say that most folks who use the phrase don't actually practice it.

      There are parallels outside of religion; for instance, how many parents have said, "I love my child, but I cannot accept [X}"?  That "[X}" may create some level of controversy (we don't usually expect parents to defend children who rob banks, rape or commit murder, right?), but the notion is the same.

      Of course, there's also the old joke - "I LOVE humanity - it's PEOPLE I can't stand"...

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:12:48 AM PDT

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  •  Just a minor quibble (8+ / 0-)
    It's really a modern attempt to do what humans have attempted to do for centuries.
    For centuries? No; for millenia. As in, since forever, people have looked at people who are "not like us" and attempted to brand them as less than human using whatever term might be prevalent at the time. Heck, the tendency to demonize the "other" probably has existed for as long as humans have possessed a language. That doesn't make it acceptable and frankly, to use something as outdated as Old Testament standards, which Broussard may or may not have a correctly understand (has he read the OT in Hebrew perchance? If not then how can he be certain he's gotten it right?) is just ludicrous.

    Speaking strictly as an outsider it's struck me as somewhat absurd to tag those who sin as "not Christian" when, if I understand it correctly, Christians (again, if I've gotten it right) operate on the assumption that EVERYONE is a sinner. Everyone sins; every single day. Nobody is perfect. Right? If that's the case then what specific sin makes a person "not a Christian" when everyone, without exception does ugly things on a daily basis and shows up for church every Sunday morning all the same with nothing but a hale "good morning" from the pastor/preacher/minister?

  •  Alas, I think your assessment of Broussard (7+ / 0-)

    is entirely accurate. He's a coward.

  •  He obviously doesn't know what a Christian is: (7+ / 0-)
    "And if you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality -- adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals -- whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. So I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I don’t think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian."
    Under his definition, it would be impossible for any human being to be Christian.

    The thing about this type of bigot is that they will then argue with you that the same Bible doesn't also condone slavery. They find all kind of context and caveats when it's their butt on the line.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:15:21 PM PDT

  •  Very eloquently put. (8+ / 0-)

    When I read about this earlier today, I simply yelled "asshole" at my computer monitor.

    You said it much nicer than I did.

    Of the four major team sports, I follow basketball the least. It's nothing personal against basketball, which I like. It's just that my city has no NBA team.

    Anyway, until today, the only thing I knew about
    Mr. Broussard is that he's one of those folks who acts as though microphones don't exist and feels the need to shout all the time.

    So, until today, he's always been that NBA Dude on ESPN Who Yells All the Time.

    And, going forward, he will be that Asshole NBA Dude on ESPN Who Yells All the Time.

    Even at 18, I respected people's sexual orientation. My first college roommate was gay, and it never bothered me one bit, and I didn't consider him to be a sinner any more than the rest of us.

    Of course, I was raised by loving parents who taught me to respect the idea that we're all different and that "different" is not tantamount to bad.

    In fact, my 4 1/2 decades on this Earth have taught me that different is often pretty cool and interesting.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:22:19 PM PDT

  •  Is he going 2 lose his job? (4+ / 0-)
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    He may have felt that way, but didn't he know how to button his lip?  After all this is a sports network, not a religious station.  

    He needs to be fired.  Maybe he can work 4 Glenn Beck.

    •  Frankly (6+ / 0-)

      I don't want him to be fired. I'm not sure who it was who said it, but the important quote for me is:

      "There's no better way to undermine a political cause than to take up that cause with weak arguments."

      People like him are good for the movement. I want as many unintelligible high-profile opinions associated with the pro-bigotry crowd as possible. Especially since we possess the power to point out just how wrong those people are, almost in real time.

      "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

      by Grizzard on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:40:55 PM PDT

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  •  Good diary... (0+ / 0-)

    But I think you are assuming facts about Chris Broussard that we may not know.  A simple explanation for his over-the-top God don't love fags response is that he may be a closet case.  In which case, he is speaking out because his 'worst sin' is a little too close to home.  But you may be right too :)

    'Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost' - Ronald Reagan, Communist

    by RichM on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:56:01 PM PDT

  •  When you make Charles Barkley look like... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...a superlatively enlightened intellectual on this (or any) subject, you - Mr. Broussard - really need to pause and reassess.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 03:04:15 PM PDT

  •  "Christians" who do nothing but hate (3+ / 0-)
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    Folks like Broussard and organizations like Focus on the Family obviously aren't interested in promoting behavior that is beneficial for people and the general welfare.

    Their religion is merely a platform with which to promote their own bigotry.

    Broussard is clearly unfamiliar with the saying "let him who is without sin, cast the first stone".

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by richardak on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 06:09:22 PM PDT

  •  That's right, Chris, we are judging... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...your idiocy, not that you're an idiot. I'm sure God finds idiocy to be an abomination.

    And they scream... The worst things in life come free to us... Cause we're just under the upper hand... And go mad for a couple grams.

    by glb3 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 09:43:07 PM PDT

  •  Not being a spots fan, I had no idea who this man (0+ / 0-)

    wearing goodie-two-shoes was.

    If I understand correctly...he's a sports announcer/commentator ?

    Strikes me that he is simply out of place and inappropriate for the job he has.

    I'm sure most weathermen have personal religious beliefs, but they have no relevance to the subject of meteorology and what this weeks projected weather will be.

    Broussard should go start a baby mega-church; I'm sure he could acquire more attention and money there than in hid current job.

    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Wed May 01, 2013 at 01:36:38 AM PDT

  •  how long before larry flynt... (0+ / 0-)

    does a piece about the infidelities of Chris Broussard and the leadership of the king movement?

    Chris Broussard invites a lot of scrutiny now. hope he and everyone at king movement are prepared.

    Broussard and I read the same book- wonder if Mathew 7:1-5 is on his heart right now: (KJV)

    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    looking forward to reading debra haffner's next blog entry- i hope she'll be writing about the events.

    here's a link to An Open Letter to Religious Leaders on Sexual and Gender Diversity

    here's an excerpt:

    Too many religious institutions have failed to embrace sexual and gender diversity. Some have mistakenly called homosexuality sinful when the real issue is heterosexism or the unjust privileging of heterosexuality. Heterosexism devalues gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, just as sexism and male privilege devalue women. Silence, misinformation, and condemnation of differing sexual and gender identities have created despair, destroyed relationships, and led to violence, suicide, and even murder. Sexual and gender oppression can no longer be portrayed as virtuous and morally defensible.
    from the

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Wed May 01, 2013 at 06:07:20 AM PDT

    •  You might be right.... (0+ / 0-)

      But I wouldn't count on an expose coming from Larry Flynt, or anyone else anytime soon. This might be not on anyone's radar screens yet.
      I did some googling on the "K.I.N.G" organization that he's involved with, and it smells. Like what, I can't put my finger on. But it had really strong background notes of misogyny and men's rights apologism, justified by selective readings of Scriptures that may or may not be relevant. It smells like a hip-hop-ified version of the late '90s Promise Keepers movement--idealistic, driven, and misogynistic as hell. That's my first impression, based on their publicly available materials. Why am I not surprised? After all, in order for men to be men, women, gays, anyone else who doesn't identify as cishet male has to be put "in their place". "K.I.N.G.s" need serfs, after all. I'd love to see them blown out of the water as yet another hypocritical fundamentalist thing, but the smart money says that's not going to happen.

      -6.75, -5.51..Silence is better than bullsh*t.

      by alliehope on Wed May 01, 2013 at 07:43:42 AM PDT

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  •  Open Christ (2+ / 0-)
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    Okay, yeah, fine, gays aren't "Christian". But you know who really annoys me, who REALLY deserves public approbation for not being Christian? Jews! They're not Christian either, and what's more they're OPEN in their rebellion against Christ! And Muslims! And atheists! And anyone who doesn't believe what I believe! Because...umm.....freedom! To believe exactly what I believe.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Wed May 01, 2013 at 06:27:32 AM PDT

  •  What is it with religious zealot's of all stripes (0+ / 0-)

    .. focus on anything and everything genital or sex-related.

    It's almost as if they have "issues" - if you catch my drift.

    How can we sleep when our beds are burning?

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:27:51 AM PDT

    •  The Bible made them do it. (0+ / 0-)

      Hormones are a gift from God. Being fruitful and multiplying (Genesis 1:28) is the original act of re-gifting.

      And they scream... The worst things in life come free to us... Cause we're just under the upper hand... And go mad for a couple grams.

      by glb3 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 10:23:57 AM PDT

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  •  Commandments, Amendments...Whatever. (0+ / 0-)

    The Christian Bible clearly states in the first of the 10 Commandments, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The US Constitution clearly states in the first Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    Christians believe that it is a sin against God to practice another non-Christian religious belief, yet the Bill of Rights forces them to behave in a manner towards others that is contrary to those beliefs. Christians, like Chris Broussard, may want to believe that homosexuality is a sin against God, therefore, worthy of being outlawed in a secular society. That belief has no more merit than believing that other religions must be outlawed, because, they too, are a sin against God. Chris, you must admit that outlawing other religions in America is a crazy idea...right? Outlawing homosexuality is just as crazy.

    And they scream... The worst things in life come free to us... Cause we're just under the upper hand... And go mad for a couple grams.

    by glb3 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 10:12:31 AM PDT

  •  People can think what they want. Despite soon (0+ / 0-)

    getting the same rights as every citizen some people will never accept gays.  If you're looking for acceptance from this population of people you won't get it.  Despite what the law says.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    by thestructureguy on Wed May 01, 2013 at 11:18:37 AM PDT

  •  Thier bible say (0+ / 0-)

    Who  amongst us is without sin ,let him cast the first  stone,sport reporter should not be throwing stone in glass house ,for it can come crashing down own your career

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