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Really Obama?  Really?!!!  Brilliant...

The Obama administration moved Wednesday to keep girls under 15 from having over-the-counter access to morning-after pills, as the Justice Department filed a notice to appeal a judge’s order that would make the drug available without a prescription for girls and women of all ages.

The Justice Department’s decision to appeal is in line with the views of dozens of conservative, anti-abortion groups who do not want contraceptives made available to young girls. But the decision was criticized by advocates for women’s reproductive health and abortion rights who cite years of scientific research saying the drug is safe and effective for all ages.

“Age barriers to emergency contraception are not supported by science, and they should be eliminated,” Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in a statement on Wednesday...

There are more eloquent diaries on the subject, but I can't see how my diary title does not accurately state the ultimate meaning of this ridiculous policy.


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  •  I usually give the President some slack (9+ / 0-)

    but this is anti-science and unpresidential.

  •  Obama SUCKS!! (0+ / 0-)


    I try to be open-minded.  I want to like him.  But, he disappoints me over and over again.   What do we need Republicans for, when we have a Democrat like Obama? He's doing their job for them.

  •  truly a bizarre opposition (2+ / 0-)
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    Under what circumstances would anyone who isn't a fundaloon want to deny emergency contraception to a 12 year old girl? WTF?

    Seriously, can anyone defend Obama's position as anything besides a despicable attempt at centrism?

    For Mr. Obama’s administration, the decision to appeal the judge’s ruling provides an opportunity to reaffirm a moderate position in the broader abortion debate that had drawn praise from conservative groups that are normally highly critical of the president.

    The appeal also reinforces Ms. Sebelius’s original 2011 decision, which proved to be very good politics for Mr. Obama at the time. Facing a difficult re-election battle, the Democratic president enthusiastically supported Ms. Sebelius, saying that as a father of two young daughters, he thought it was the right call to have made.

    “And I think most parents would probably feel the same way,” he added.

    History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

    by quill on Thu May 02, 2013 at 07:11:42 AM PDT

    •  This doesn't deny emergency contraception (2+ / 0-)
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      jan4insight, FG

      to girls under 15. It does require them to consult with an adult before they use emergency contraception.

      •  which adult would that be? (1+ / 0-)
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        NYFM

        The incestuous step-father?
        The conservative parents?

        How does a 14 year old girl in Podunk Kansas who's been date raped get a prescriprion without everyone finding out and slut shaming her?

        History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

        by quill on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:30:31 AM PDT

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  •  Sorry, I disagree on this one. (4+ / 0-)
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    gravlax, NYFM, elmo, jan4insight

    Any teenager who is buying the morning-after pill on her own desperately needs a conversation with an adult about what's going on in her life and why she thinks she may be (or become) pregnant. IMO 15 is too young (and 15-year-olds don't even have photo IDs). I don't care about a prescription; I care about a caring adult, or if there isn't one in the girl's life, a trained counselor at Planned Parenthood, a school nurse, someone.

    •  So you think this (1+ / 0-)
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      sturunner

      non-communicative girl, who hasn't been talking to adults, suddenly decides to start talking to adults because.... ?

      •  I agree. See my post above. I'm a now-adult (2+ / 0-)
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        male survivor of long-term childhood rape by my maternal grandfather, a church deacon.

        I told early & often:  my parents, my doctor, the guidance person, etc.

        Their stonewalling was worse than the assaults.  No help.  No place.  No how.

        In the instant case, the pregnancy needs to be prevented & intervention in her interest only needs to occur.

        Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

        by sturunner on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:17:48 AM PDT

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    •  But the young girls who are going to need it the (3+ / 0-)
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      most are those who have been raped.  Most of the time (~85%) the rapist is a family member or a close aquaintance.

      The Administration's position simply reinforces rapists' rights.

      You are of course right--a girl in that situation needs forceful, formal intervention that represents her interests only.

      The family, the school, &/or the church have already flunked.

      Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

      by sturunner on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:06:07 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry, can't agree (2+ / 0-)
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        A child who is being raped needs more help than can be provided by emergency contraception alone. If she is required to speak with an adult to get the contraception, maybe she will be able to get the help she needs to avoid being raped in the first place.

        •  Pls see the 4th sentence above. Since she's been (0+ / 0-)

          raped, the pregnancy must be prevented.

          As for love & support ANY teenager needs, good luck in rural, incestous, small-town fly-over country.

          Does anyone know any sites for situations like this?  

          Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

          by sturunner on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:17:59 AM PDT

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    •  realistically (1+ / 0-)
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      sturunner

      One: How about the pharmacist?  

      Two: So girls who don't have caring adults in their lives or good access to any of your other options (Planned Parenthood = only in big cities, school nurses = rare AND mandatory reporters, so a scared abused kid may avoid them) deserve to get pregnant as a result of rape?  

    •  72 hours. (1+ / 0-)
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      sturunner

      That's how quick it needs to be taken. The younger they are, the more imperative it is that a pregnancy be prevented. (I know of 10 year old girls that started their period.) So put a message on the box for them to call a hotline after they take the pill. Sure, get adult advice, after the pregnancy is prevented.
      Btw,  

      (and 15-year-olds don't even have photo IDs)
      This ^ is an argument for no age restrictions at all.

      Oh for crying out loud!

      by 4mygirls on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:41:04 AM PDT

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  •  Of course it should be available to teens but (3+ / 0-)
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    The focus on teens obscures another issue.  With this contraception pill on the shelves, it will be available to all women-- not just those who know it's behind the counter. Do young people have to show ID when they buy condoms?  

  •  really? (1+ / 0-)
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    A 12 year old should have unlimited access to abortion on demand. that is crazy. my kids are not emotionally ready to handle such issues. You don't have kids. twenty years from now you will have changed your mind. crazy. how about facial tattoos. 12 y.o. should be able to do that? how about breast implants? that would be fine? i assume you also support nambla- after all if a 12 y.o. boy 'chooses' the have sex with a 49y.o. man that is his business.they are children. we are parents. we make a lot of decisions for our kids. should a 12 y.o. be able to decide if they want to bathe or brush teeth? what age do you think is an appropriate age to cut off sales? 10? 8? 6?a 5 year old child should be able to march into the pharmacy and buy plan B and just open up that package on take as many as she feels like. great plan.

    •  seriously? (2+ / 0-)
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      gravlax, NYFM

      wtf is this comment?

      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        what do you disagree with? a 5 year old who doesn't really understand what pregnant is or how you get that way should be able to buy plan b? 12 year olds should make their own decisions regarding sex? what if that 12 year old want to have sex with the afore mentioned 49 y.o. man? you explain to me. are there decisions that a parent should make for a child? if so then where are the limits?

    •  first of all, Plan B is NOT abortion (5+ / 0-)

      that would be RU-486. Plan B is a contraceptive, you know birth control?

      second of all, the FDA has reviewed studies that determined that there is minimal risk of Plan B to those who take it.

      third of all, if a 12 year old is capable of getting pregnant, then I say yes they should have access to CONTRACEPTION.

      fourth of all, how dare you equate this with NAMBLA? Complete logical fallacy. Were I more sure of the rules for HR, I would drop a donut. I'm pretty sure that this allegation is HR-worthy.

      "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

      by gravlax on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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      •  no not abortion. (0+ / 0-)

        i was exaggerating to make a point. i also wouldn't call it birth control. i see it more as a backup of people who failed to use birth control,or  birth control method failed (broken condom). Are you prepared to suggest young girls don't use birth control-instead just take plan b when you do have sex?. no? . You mean it's NOT birth control?

        •  ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? (0+ / 0-)

          First of all, I would suggest that anyone having sex use condoms because of the risk of STD transmission.

          So, no, I'm not suggesting that young girls rely solely on Plan B.

          Secondly, contraception and birth control are the same damn thing, regardless of when they are used. Plan B prevents pregnancy, ergo it is birth control.

          Let me know if you need me to make any more arguments or if you would just like to make them for me. Because you are doing a lousy job of that.

          "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

          by gravlax on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:41:04 AM PDT

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          •  it is called plan b (0+ / 0-)

            for a reason. meant for use if plan a fails. not meant as a primary means of contraception. and back to the subject, however you define plan b , should a 5 year old be able to buy it?. then what age? 6? 9? 11? You think maybe a 13 year old girl might admit to herself she is pregnant at 3 months and take a whole handful? what age do you suggest?

    •  Pls read my 2 posts above. Please. (4+ / 0-)
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      A raped 12-year-old needs the pregnancy prevented.  It is not abortion.  It is not on demand.  It is a medical necessity.

      She, of course needs support from a person or persons who represent her interests only.

      Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

      by sturunner on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:26:53 AM PDT

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      •  so (0+ / 0-)

        so this raped 12 year old, let's call her ms. strawgirl, needs this over the counter. shouldn't get any sort of medical care or counseling. just get rid of the problem.

        •  Are you deliberately misreading what I wrote (0+ / 0-)

          above?  

          She, OBVIOUSLY, wasn't getting meaningful medical care & did not have access to "counseling," hence the current, ah, "problem."

          Pls see my previous comments in this thread.  I've been there.  Starting at age 5.  Guns, properly used, work.

          NO amount of "counseling" stops fixated pedophiles.

                       See: Church, former,  Roman Catholic

           

          Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

          by sturunner on Thu May 02, 2013 at 04:27:52 PM PDT

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  •  This shouldn't be an issue (5+ / 0-)

    Anyone who works with or is around teens knows that some of them are having sex.  It would be wonderful if all teens had caring, loving adults to take care of them and advise them.  Unfortunately all teens are not in that situation.  

    Where is the outrage about age limits for condoms and putting them behind the counter?  Is it just young women who shouldn't be able to use contraception?

    I was married and a parent when I had an abortion because of a contraception failure.  I am sure I'm not the only woman this happened too.

    Obama claims to oppose this because of his daughters.  This is as bizarre as the Congressman who changed his mind about gay rights after his son came out.

  •  If there are no age limits (1+ / 0-)
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    then there is nothing to prevent even pre-pubescent girls from buying emergency contraception. Oh, they don't need it, of course, but are we going to rely on the thinking skills of every 10 year old out there? What about a 6 year old?

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