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To be fair there isn't really anything the victim can or can not do to prevent rape. The consensus in the misogynist set to prevent rape is like telling a store owner to close up shop to stop shoplifters.

So again the burden of preventing the lack of self control on the part of the rapist falls on those preyed upon by rapists.

Wired reports, “It may be advisable to submit [rather] than resist,” reads the brochure (.pdf), issued to airmen at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina, where nearly 10,000 military and civilian personnel are assigned. “You have to make this decision based on circumstances. Be especially careful if the attacker has a weapon.”

The brochure does however, explain that sexual assault is not always committed by people who “don’t look like a rapist” — attackers “tend to have hyper-masculine attitudes,” but, the brochure does not offer instruction to servicemembers on not committing sexual assault, which points to prevention to be treated as the responsibility of potential victims.

So we are okay with people that lack the ability to refrain from attacking one of their own peers with having the responsibility to protect and or deploy our most destructive weaponry?

Anyone else disturbed by the thought?

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  •  I frankly am a bit concerned about (4+ / 0-)

    framing this as "lack of self control" or refraining.  I don't exert self control to avoid raping my coworkers.  Is this your perception of how the population of non-rapists succeed in maintaining a spotless record with regard to assaulting people?

    I guess my point is that if you are dealing with needing to exert wtih self control in this area you've already failed, though to be honest, I've never even thought about it this way.  So maybe I need to do a little introspection - I'm happy to dialogue on this if you want.  

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    by nsfbr on Fri May 10, 2013 at 07:39:31 AM PDT

  •  Submit vs fight? (1+ / 0-)
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    In most cases, the victim won't win the fight.  Instead, she/he may become much more physically injured.

    Submission may be the difference between life and death.

    I have no problem with the brochure.

    If you want to know the real answer: Just ask a Mom.

    by tacklelady on Fri May 10, 2013 at 08:12:54 AM PDT

  •  I must have read something different. It says (2+ / 0-)
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    it "may" be advisable to submit and then goes on to say it depends on the circumstances.

    One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns. --- John Oliver

    by voroki on Fri May 10, 2013 at 08:37:54 AM PDT

  •  This part, (9+ / 0-)

    'but, the brochure does not offer instruction to servicemembers on not committing sexual assault'
    Isn't that tha whole point of what the brochure was supposed to be addressing and it didn't? I have huge issues with the constant theme of don't get raped when the message should be don't rape! Thanks HBIII for keeping a spotlight on the issue of abuse. There needs to be a frame shift. I have a friend and he was like 'I don't have to tell myself not to rape and I don't want to rape, not part of my day'. That is not to make light of rape, just that most people do not need to resist the urge, because they NEVER have that urge. Where do we get to the point where we can tell the people who have the urge and get them help before they act on this urge? Thanks again,
    Peace and Blessings!

    United we the people stand, divided we the people fall.

    by Penny GC on Fri May 10, 2013 at 08:49:14 AM PDT

    •  Exactly. (4+ / 0-)

      So the policy is to submit to the rapist so the victim isn't killed? Anything short of death is okay? Slapped around, forced penetration, emotionally traumatized, career derailed? Because these are things that will happen with submission. The brochure is advocating lay-back-and-enjoy-it because what's going to happen is out of the victim's control. A policy of submission has never worked out for the victim.
      The armed forces have not shown much in the way of  consequences for rape. The policy is upside down. How is an all volunteer armed forces supposed to exist with men and women if sexual assault is treated as little or nothing.


      "I'm gonna dance between the raindrops"

      by IB JOHN on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:13:23 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed, now how do we change it? (4+ / 0-)

        United we the people stand, divided we the people fall.

        by Penny GC on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:25:00 AM PDT

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        •  Senator Kristen Gillibrand needs our help... (3+ / 0-)
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          in effecting change. She has some good ideas. See her on Lawrence last night to see what see wants to do.

          She's on the Committee on Armed Services and she's working on this as we speak.
          She wants to get rid of the current system whereby a victim of rape reports the assault to their commanding officer, or if the commander is the abuser or in the abuser's chain-of-command, to the next highest up commander. She wants to implement a system of independent review outside of the chain-of-command.
          So letters and emails to the senator will help effect change.
          Change starts at the committee level.

          "I'm gonna dance between the raindrops"

          by IB JOHN on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:01:27 AM PDT

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          •  I saw that episode as well. She seems to have it (2+ / 0-)
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            together pretty well and a good idea for a start at least. Getting the reporting out of the chain-of-command is KEY to getting the reporting end of the issue taken care of, since many are raped by higher in command. I have awesome senators in WA state and are on board, what else can I do! This situation needs to stop, not just for the military, but when we look to the military as Heros (and the majority ARE Heros) and then we see the stats, well it is insult to injury. We need a better conversation with our young males, whether in the military or not, the abuse is systematic in my humble opinion.
            Peace and Blessings!

            United we the people stand, divided we the people fall.

            by Penny GC on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:12:52 AM PDT

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      •  It's not "policy" (1+ / 0-)
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        If the armed services want to tell somebody to do something they won't say "may be advisable" or that it depends on circumstances. They would be much more direct.

        "How is an all volunteer armed forces supposed to exist with men and women if sexual assault is treated as little or nothing."

        Now that's a sound point. In addition to rape being wrong by itself, the military should care about the damage to morale and unit cohesion. If service people can't trust their own comrades in arms, how are they going to work together?

        Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

        by Dogs are fuzzy on Fri May 10, 2013 at 01:49:25 PM PDT

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  •  Does the Air Force have trainings/meetings (7+ / 0-)

    with all the enlisted on NOT RAPING people?

    Isn't it kind of funny that the big military bastion of Christianity has such a problem with rape?  

  •  I agree with the post. (6+ / 0-)

    Training should should be provided on proper sexual conduct, as well as how to avoid being raped and how to handle such a situation.  There should also be safe ways for a victim to report any inappropriate behavior, whether rape, groping, or inappropriate comments.

    An interesting note regarding rape in the Air Force is that half of it is men raping men.  I heard this stated by a congresswoman last night on MSNBC (sorry, can't remember her name).  

    Rape in the military is an enormous problem, and it needs to be addressed ASAP.

    •  There is no way to avoid rape. (1+ / 0-)
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      That is placing the onus on the victim while rapists continue to predate.

      •  Not blaming the victim. (0+ / 0-)

        I disagree with your blanket statement that there is no way to avoid being raped. There is no way for anyone to be completely immune from being raped, and the victim shoud not be blamed. There are ways to reduce the risk, however, such as avoiding dangerous situations and self-defense training. There are also people who avoided being raped by doing or saying just the right thing at the right moment.

        I am not saying that rape is preventable in all cases, only that the military should provide information and training on how to be as safe as possible, AND on unacceptable behavior. The military should also provide methods for victims of rape or any form of sexual harrassment to report this without repercussions.  Additionally, rapists should be prosecuted, and generals should not be able to overturn convictions.

        •  Thanks so much! (1+ / 0-)
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          So I shouldn't have taken my prescribed medications after telling my then-husband that I didn't want to have sex...but he believed that marriage was an automatic 'yes', so he went ahead anyway, even though I said no.

          My meds made it so that I was physically unable to resist, and he knew it.

          But thanks! I should have just not taken my meds, not slept at all (because he'd rape me in my sleep, too),

          Fuck it. Never mind. Does'nt matter. Why the fuck should it mattter. You'll just say that I should have left. never mind that I had no family, no where to go, disabled, two toddlers... nope, it will be my fault. Fuck it.

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          by LoreleiHI on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:40:35 PM PDT

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      •  Don't feed the feeling of helplessness (0+ / 0-)

        One of the weapons of rapists is depriving the victims of any sense of control over their lives.

        I know one set of self-defense instructors who had a rape survivor in one of their classes. At the end of it she said it had done her more good than all the therapy. The therapy had saved her from self-blame but the class gave her back some confidence and sense of control.

        This is in addition to, not instead of, prosecuting and jailing rapists.

        Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

        by Dogs are fuzzy on Fri May 10, 2013 at 01:54:45 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with you. (0+ / 0-)

          I certainly didn't intend to come off as blaming the victim in my previous comments, and I apologize if I did.  I realize that there are situations, probably most rape situations, where people are completely helpless.

          I am not suggesting that, if only rape victims had done something differently, they wouldn't have been raped.  I am also not suggesting that a victim, even one with self defense skills, can count on overpowering a predator, especially not an armed one.

          I was only suggesting that it is beneficial if people are educated in how to avoid situations where they are in danger, and (where possible) learn some self-defense skills. I was also suggesting that in the military, there should be a means of reporting rape and abuse that does not jeopardize one's career.

          I'm not sure how this equates to wanting to keep things as they are.

  •  Submit! (2+ / 0-)
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    The AF is the service with the most number of Christian crazies uses the "submit'  A real nice biblical word.  You know: Women must submit to their husbands.
    Christian BS beyond the pale.

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