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  •  Admissions like this are disregarded in their (10+ / 0-)

    entirety by the media, however, and people like David Gregory will still ask these assholes onto their show and say, "Tell us why you think the administration is corrupt in the remaining time we have so we won't have the opportunity to question your accusations."

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:47:13 PM PDT

  •  One would think (6+ / 0-)

    that if it's a "struggle", they would realize there is no "there" there.  However, I'd rather have them spend their time over "there" than planning for 2014/2016.

  •  Struggles (7+ / 0-)

    The struggle for voting rights.

    The struggle for civil rights.

    The struggle for equal protection.

    The struggle for marriage equality.

    The struggle to overcome poverty.

    And the biggest struggle of all: The struggle to pin all wrongs on, you know, that guy in the White House.

    "Please proceed, Governor" -- you know who, and when

    by lotac on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:52:23 PM PDT

    •  Speaking of voting rights, (4+ / 0-)
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      I was flipping channels between the second and third periods of the Pens-Senators game last night, and Catherine Englebrecht of True the Vote (one of the biggest vote fraud "bamboozlers," as Josh Marshall called them during the US Attorney scandal) on as an example of one of the 501(c)(4)'s "targeted" for extra scrutiny.  This is a woman whose organization solely exists to promote efforts to suppress the vote, by giving "trainings" to self-declared "poll watchers" to identify "vote fraud," sometimes in contravention of the requirements of state law regarding provisions for voters who have moved or federal law providing a 90 day safe harbor for changes to voter lists before an election.  (At least their written materials don't mention this).  Hers is a welfare organization?  While they may not explicitly advocate for Republicans, nobody with even Englebrecht's own intellect doesn't understand their jobs are to rig the election for Republicans by making it harder for poor Americans to vote.  And of course her organization got approved.  

      It's infuriating that I have to subsidize their teaching of the Constitution, when they get it so wrong.  But using these keywords as shortcuts created the appearance of impropriety, so they shouldn't have done that, if for no other reason than it would launch these investigations despite no active involvement by the administration; dare I say, BECAUSE of no active involvement in the form of having an appointed, confirmed, and thereby accountable director who could set organizational priorities.


      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:13:02 PM PDT

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  •  They'll lump this Fast and Furious story on top. (0+ / 0-)

    This recent IG's report that a DOJ lawyer used leaks to smear Fast and Furious whistleblowers is just more fuel for the fire.

    Report, here:

    The "piling on" will continue until some judicial ref blows the whistle to end the play.  No pun intended.  

    The patellar reflex is a deep tendon reflex which allows one to keep one's balance with little effort or conscious thought.

    by SpamNunn on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:55:14 PM PDT

  •  Meta-scandal (1+ / 0-)
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    Where the scandal is not about the facts, but about the political implications, and the fact that there are political implications is sufficient evidence that there is in fact a real scandal.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:57:57 PM PDT

  •  what corruption (5+ / 0-)

    The Obama administration is attempting to make sure the IRS adheres to ethical standards, something other administrations have not really cared about. If they pull that off it wil be a bigger miracle than socialized health care.

    It would be easier to launch another war in the middle east.

    It's all fun n' games until someone's blood gets sucked out

    by Krush on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:59:48 PM PDT

    •  Shhhhh!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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      It would be easier to launch another war in the middle east.
      Or do you forget John McCain is out there, trying to do just that?

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:06:36 PM PDT

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    •  This has been a right-wing meme (2+ / 0-)
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      it's the word they attach to Solyndra, to ACORN, all under the rubric of "Chicago Style Politics."  They of course mean this as racist code, but it's funny considering that Obama worked with the (Irish) machine but at a respectful distance when he was coming up.  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:15:23 PM PDT

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  •  "Tea Party Victims" (6+ / 0-)

    As of TODAY:

    The new CNN/Opinion Research poll shows that 37 percent of Americans now see the tea party in a favorable light — up from 28 percent in March and the highest it’s been since July 2011.

    But it’s hardly all good news for the tea party, with 45 percent of Americans still seeing it in an unfavorable light. That number is down slightly since the 2012 election, but the fact remains that the tea party is underwater (in polling terms).

    In addition, President Obama continues to appear unscathed by the controversy. In addition to his 53 percent approval rating (which we reported Sunday), 58 percent see him as a strong leader. Those numbers are actually up from CNN’s last poll.

    People don't like the Tea Party. The term "Tea Party Victim" is laugh-inducing.  The GOP has been trying to distance itself from the Tea Party. Now it's going to claim what exactly? That the TP is part of the GOP?  

    The Tea Party is despised by Americans across the political spectrum.  Most folks consider them rabid and racist and the major reason that we're in this terrible gridlock mess.

    Good luck making victims out of people like that.

    And then jumping from that narrative to anything that might make the Obama Admin look bad on a permanent basis?

    Yeah. Ok. This ought to be entertaining.

    © grover

    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:00:49 PM PDT

  •  But... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...since all those, cough, victims received approval, this is a struggle without a cause.  Not that this stopped them before.    

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:01:16 PM PDT

    •  But they received LETTERS (4+ / 0-)
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      which hurt their feelings

      (same letters that liberal groups received, so, uh.. um. BUT THEIR FEELINGS WERE HURT!!!111one!!!!!)

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:03:38 PM PDT

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  •  because tax-exemption is tyranny!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    "A dollah makes me hollah"-- Stephen Colbert, pretending to be S. Palin

    by stagemom on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:02:10 PM PDT

  •  And IRS Anti-Corruption Laws Are Curruption! (0+ / 0-)

    Which is why we have to get rid of the last anti-corruption laws!

    Why is it so easy to imagine John Stossel's indignant whine saying that?

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:09:25 PM PDT

  •  The Cult of Millionaire Victimhood (1+ / 0-)
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    struggles onward.  BTW, you might have heard another word for "struggle" - Kampf.

    Process defines product.

    by Troubadour on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:10:10 PM PDT

  •  Because it is entirely possible (0+ / 0-)

    to make chocolate cake from that.

  •  I'm surprised the right opened (1+ / 0-)
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    the IRS can o'worms. With the amount of harassment left leaning groups have had to deal with for decades this little deviation from that will not end well for the right.

  •  Struggle? (0+ / 0-)

    This used to be the word by which Marxists signaled their convictions to each other, e.g. "I have been part of this struggle for many years."   Guess Republicans are feeling oppressed.

  •  Many may not realize (0+ / 0-)

    ...that the President was sitting in a comfy chair eating popcorn whilst watching Americans attacked live in Behghazi -- and on the phone with the IRS telling them to torment the Tea Party by delaying their tax exempt status -- and that whole time Michelle is eavesdropping on AP reporters private conversations and scaring the media into compliance with the Muslim agenda.

    If that not impeachable, I don't know what is.

    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:27:43 PM PDT

  •  Let's not forget -- the GOP WANTED TP scrutinized (1+ / 0-)
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    To me, this is the most irritating thing about the coverage of these "scandals" -- that the GOP got exactly what it wanted, yet now turns around and screams "scandal."

    GOP Congresscritters were among those who ASKED the IRS to look into these TP groups because they were worried the GOP establishment was going to get primaried, yet now they turn around and whine and complain that it's a "scandal"   Likewise, the GOP demanded that the Obama DOJ go after leaks aggressively, because they thought "leaks" about the Obama administration's successes were helping Obama, yet now they scream "scrandal" because the leak investigations ensare right-wing hacks, too.   Finally, it was the GOP that demanded huge cuts in the requested security budgets for diplomatic sites, yet once again, they scream "scandal" when security isn't up to snuff.

    The moral:  NEVER, EVER, under any circumstances, trust anything a Republican says or does.  It is ALWAYS about partisan politics -- either now or when they later pull a 180.

  •  While passing a T-bagger owned business.. (0+ / 0-)

    in Plymouth, MI where the owner writes anti-Obama anti-American slogans on the window, today's offering was "remember. no one died from the Watergate cover-up----Impeach Obama".   The deaths around Benghazi occurred before the non-cover-up and the 2 events are not cause and effect in reverse order as baggers and pubs insist unless the evil Kenyan planned and executed the Benghazi attacks himself. You have to be some kind of teabagger stupid to buy that silliness.  Nixon was covering up a criminal conspiracy that he and his henchmen perpetrated.

  •  Doesn't this all assume (0+ / 0-)

    that their role is to take down the President of the United States in an ugly way instead of, say, writing laws and stuff, you know . . . governing?

    Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

    by delphine on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:34:54 PM PDT

  •  The IRS should fairly crack down on the 501c4s (0+ / 0-)

    They have been getting away with more than they should for too long. I'd be happy to see them enforce the law strictly on all the political parties.

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