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At The Nation, John Nichols writes 'Our Liberty Cannot Be Guarded but by the Freedom of the Press':

A genuine left-right coalition has developed over the past several days in response to the revelation that the Department of Justice seized Associated Press telephone records in its recent investigation of a CIA leak. And that coalition is likely to strengthen in light of the news that the DOJ investigated the reporting activities of Fox News’s chief Washington correspondent as a potential crime—“solicitation” of leaks. The latter development, in many senses more troubling than the former, calls into question whether basic protections for both reporters and whistleblowers are crumbling after more than a decade of Patriot Act abuses, Bush and Obama administration excesses and the politicization of debates about what were once accepted standards for protecting the public’s right to know and the privacy rights that underpin it.

John Nichols
In moments so rigorously partisan as these, many members of Congress will retreat to their corners, mounting attacks or making excuses. But there are some serious legislators, libertarian-leaning Republicans and progressive Democrats, who understand the urgency of the moment.

They get that the revelations about DOJ overreach reveal a threat not just to freedom of the press but to the most necessary of press functions: the work of revealing for citizens the details of what their government is doing in their name but without their informed consent. None of these members are foolish or casual in their approach; they understand that it is necessary for the government to protect against the leaking of information that could endanger people. But they also understand that it is possible to provide that protection within a constitutional context.

Perhaps most importantly, they get that the best way to protect the First Amendment guarantee of a free press is to protect the Fourth Amendment guarantee of privacy. Journalists do not need—and should not seek—an array of special protections to do their jobs. But journalists and their sources do need to know that information can be shared without the threat of unwarranted—and self-serving—government surveillance of necessary conversations.

It is with this in mind that four very different members of Congress (Michigan Republican Justin Amash, South Carolina Republican Mick Mulvaney, California Democrat Zoe Lofgren and Colorado Democrat Jared Polis) have proposed a precise and appropriate response to the overreach by the Department of Justice. While the White House and key members of the Senate are backing a Shield Law, which protects journalists from being required to reveal sources, the House members are going deeper—to protect not just journalists but all citizens from “unreasonable searches and seizures.” They seek a Telephone Records Protection Act, which requires court approval when the government demands telephone records from service providers.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2010As it makes live feed available, BP admits oil flow worse than claimed:

So what might be motivating BP to concede their claim of 5,000 barrels per day was wrong? Perhaps the fact that they have finally posted a live feed of the oil gushing from the main leak.

In my experience watching the feed, it's had some technical hiccups, but I was able to watch about five minutes before the video screen went black. It's incredibly disturbing -- clouds of oil billowing from the site of the leak, at times appearing far, far worse than the initial video BP released.

The fact that BP now claims to be siphoning off 5,000 barrels per day but the flow of oil appears to be as bad as ever tells you just how massive this leak is. CBS was the first news organization to get its hands on the live feed and showed it to Purdue Professor of Mechanical Engineering Steven Werely. He estimates that nearly 100,000 barrels -- 4 million gallons or an Exxon Valdez every three days -- is still spewing from the leak.


Tweet of the Day:

Drudge's pal Alex Jones thinks a "weather weapon" may have been used in Oklahoma http://t.co/...
@owillis via bitly



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, the day's news was dominated by Oklahoma. But Greg Dworkin's not just a pundit rounder-upper, he's an expert in disaster prep, too. Once again, disaster reminds us that teachers are often first responders, and that first responders are unionized, public employees. Also: more wacky gun news, and Utah's gun-toting teachers. Then, an update on the 3D printing issue, a story about "Colorado's deadliest neighborhood," and an investigation into the disciplinary records of Atlanta area school resource officers. Finally, a note from sfbaytransplant seeking clarification in reporting of the "unanimous confirmation" of the new Energy Secretary.


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  •  832,887 registered users on dKos now. (19+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

    jet4hat
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    turn4name
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    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #828,500: marble5month
    #828,600: bar7corn
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    #832,800: curler3jaguar

    We've added a whopping 4,407 more users in the last two days.  This is a continuation going back to May where we've been absolutely flooded with new users.  I'm pretty sure almost all of these new users are spammers or bots.  While the rate had been getting faster, it seems they suddenly started slowing down right when Hurricane Sandy hit.  It slowed down to under 1,000 new users in a 24-hour period, and we were back down to somewhat over 100 new users every 24 hours or so, until about January 30th, when it exploded again.  What are they planning?


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, here's Matchbox 20's "If You're Gone".

  •  So by the building next to my office... (16+ / 0-)

    someone jumped to his death off the engineering building.  :-(

    Saw the body after it was covered by a white tarp, but you could see part of the man's arm sticking out.  :-X

    Still haven't identified if the dead man was a student or not.

  •  "Weather weapon". Yeah, right... (10+ / 0-)

    ...like lobbing a thermal explosive device into a funnel cloud to dissapate it.

    Oh, wait! That was a science fiction novella in Analog.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:35:52 PM PDT

  •  How to Help Moore, OK (updated) (24+ / 0-)

    Moore OK photo r620-593570ad73bb3849efa03d1fface6606_zps836ba35f.jpg

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    Donations of money, not things, please.

    Donations

    American Red Cross

    Note:

    Donations to local Red Cross Chapter likely will be used for relief related to recent tornadoes. The American Red Cross estimates “several million” dollars has been donated via text messages this week, but the money is not designated to relief efforts in Oklahoma.

    A representative of the local chapter, however, promised money donated to the local organization will be used for relief efforts in Oklahoma.

    Oklahoman

    Local Red Cross: Oklahoma Red Cross

    Oklahoma ASPCA

    Samaritan’s Purse Samaritan’s Purse has sent a disaster team to Oklahoma.

    Oklahoma Baptist Relief

    Feeding America Through its network of more than 200 food banks, Feeding America says it will deliver truckloads of food, water and supplies to communities in need, and will also "set up additional emergency food and supply distribution sites as they are needed."

    Team Rubicon

    Regional Oklahoma Food Bank

    United Methodist Committee on Relief

    Jewish Federations of North America

    Operation Blessing International

    Website for people looking for family or friends: Safe and Well

    Website for Lost and Found Pets

    More information on what these organizations are doing.

    And, if you somehow missed this heartbreaking diary by catilinus, please read and recommend With Their Bodies, They Saved Children

    God bless our teachers and first responders.

    Prayers and special thoughts for Moore, Oklahoma.

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    Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:38:03 PM PDT

  •  Oops! (10+ / 0-)
    Wolf Blitzer Asks Atheist Tornado Survivor, "Do You Thank The Lord?"

    http://deadspin.com/...

    ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:42:06 PM PDT

  •  Speaking of weather weapons... (15+ / 0-)

    Here's my contribution to the topic:

    Here come the Tornado Truthers, to the rescue!!




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:44:30 PM PDT

  •  I thought Josh Marshall's take (12+ / 0-)

    at Talking Points Memo was interesting. Check it out.

    As you can probably tell, I’m a bit conflicted about this whole episode. I’ve spent a decent amount of money over the last decade paying for pricey legal advice to keep myself and other TPM reporters out of trouble.

    snip

    But they did so putting together a case against a government employee who more or less in plain sight (thanks to Rosen, in part) leaked what looks to have been highly classified information about US spy networks overseas. It’s difficult for me not to be more shocked by the self-interested preening of fellow journalists over a comically inept reporter and source than the arguable dangers this episode holds for press freedoms. Indeed, I’ve tried and failed. I can’t.

    The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.― Neil deGrasse Tyson

    by maggiejean on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:44:51 PM PDT

    •  Marshallt thinks the dangers this episode holds (4+ / 0-)

      for press freedoms are 'arguable'??? WTF???

      Here's Tomasky's take (yesterday) which strikes the right unequivocal note, imho:

      This looks pretty ghastly, no two ways around it. It doesn't matter whether Rosen worked for Fox News or the Daily Worker. This is way out of bounds. Emphasis added

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      •  also (5+ / 0-)
        The focus of the Post's report yesterday is that the DOJ's surveillance of Rosen, the reporter, extended far beyond even what they did to AP reporters. The FBI tracked Rosen's movements in and out of the State Department, traced the timing of his calls, and - most amazingly - obtained a search warrant to read two days worth of his emails, as well as all of his emails with Kim. In this case, said the Post, "investigators did more than obtain telephone records of a working journalist suspected of receiving the secret material." It added that "court documents in the Kim case reveal how deeply investigators explored the private communications of a working journalist".

        But what makes this revelation particularly disturbing is that the DOJ, in order to get this search warrant, insisted that not only Kim, but also Rosen - the journalist - committed serious crimes. The DOJ specifically argued that by encouraging his source to disclose classified information - something investigative journalists do every day - Rosen himself broke the law.

        link
      •  This is just getting worse (0+ / 0-)

        From Ryan Lizza of The New Yorker

        The Justice Department and Fox News’s Phone Records

        The Obama Justice Department has seized the phone records of numbers that are associated with White House staffers and, apparently, with Fox News reporters, according to a document filed in the case of Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, on October 13, 2011. Kim is a former State Department contractor accused of violating the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking classified information to James Rosen, a Fox News reporter. Ronald C. Machen, Jr., the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is prosecuting the case, has seized records associated with two phone numbers at the White House, at least five numbers associated with Fox News, and one that has the same area code and exchange as Rosen’s personal-cell-phone number (the last four numbers are redacted).

        In all, Ronald C. Machen, Jr., the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, has seized records associated with over thirty different phone numbers. In the filing that included the new information, the last four digits of each telephone line targeted by the Obama Administration are redacted. Two of the numbers begin with area code 202 and the exchange 456, which, according to current and former Administration officials, are used exclusively by the White House.

  •  So remember... (10+ / 0-)

    the female Ron Paul fan I told y'all about that I know from UCLA?  Turns out she's actually now dating Adam Kokesh, the guy who wants to start an armed march on Washington.

    Small world.

  •  I would like both, please. (12+ / 0-)
    While the White House and key members of the Senate are backing a Shield Law, which protects journalists from being required to reveal sources, the House members are going deeper—to protect not just journalists but all citizens from “unreasonable searches and seizures.” They seek a Telephone Records Protection Act, which requires court approval when the government demands telephone records from service providers.
    I would (do) support a bill that would require court approval when the government demands telephone records from service providers.  I don't think anyone's telephone records should be available for review without judicial oversight.

    But I also support (and have supported for decades) a strong national shield law.  It is, after all, to journalists that sources (public and private) wanting to expose governmental and private failings and shenanigans -- and worse -- turn.  I want them to be able to do so and I want journalists to be able to protect those sources.

    Thank you for this important post.

    Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:49:10 PM PDT

    •  asdf (6+ / 0-)

      I would (do) support a bill that would require court approval when the government demands telephone records from service providers.  

      Hard to believe a new law is needed for this basic privacy issue.

      •  That's the thing, the GOP defeated a media shield (0+ / 0-)

        .. law in 2007

        Republicans In Congress Killed A Media Shield Law That Would Have Protected The Associated Press HR 2102
        In 2007 republicans blocked (filibustered) a media shield law that would have protected AP:
        Republicans In Congress Killed A Media Shield Law That Would Have Protected The Associated Press - May 14, 2013 at 12:13am EDT
        One that Darrel Issa also rejected - making his latest "outrage" a joke

        And the White house is pushing for a new one http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/...

        Perhaps most importantly, they get that the best way to protect the First Amendment guarantee of a free press is to protect the Fourth Amendment guarantee of privacy.  

        - John Nichols

        When what John Nichols seems to be saying is that with a..
        Telephone Records Protection Act, which requires court approval when the government demands telephone records from service providers.
        ..we're basically enforcing the constitution (1st & 4th Amendments) and the laws as they exist today.  Journalists are covered.

        Sounds like getting to the heart of it this way - good

        ..................................................................

        About redundancy in laws as a tactic:

        I've noticed that the GOP uses a strategy of flouting laws by pretending the laws don't mean what they do.

        Then new laws are enacted that the GOP changes through amendment process or committe to get what they want. Which is usually to neuter the original law. We shouldn't write new laws this way. Enforce existing

        Also the very fact of re-litigating or rather by enacting additional legislation/laws (of piling on so to speak) to protect what is already protected seems to me to be ceding that ground to republicans; admitting that the new laws are needed becasuse the what exists isn't good enough. - It's a tricky thing the GOP does.
        .....................

        Then there is the pure idiocy laws the republicans go for like outlawing Sharia laws and many other stupid things to cover for their incompetence and to obstruct.

        second half of comment was an OT  peeve, just wanted to get that said - appologies for long windedness

        •  This may be a way of reversing some of the (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Eric Nelson

          unconstitutional laws enacted during the Bush years.

          Note: No need to apologize for a righteous rant.

        •  We the people enforce the Constitution. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Eric Nelson

          Unfortunately, we have to contest with our own representatives to do that. We have elected scofflaws to be lawmakers. They employ the law to advance their own interests and, as often as not, that means disadvantaging their employers. Legislators aren't just stealing our assets, but our freedoms.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:26:58 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Teabagger F A I L (5+ / 0-)
    Dozens" of Tea Party Patriots Protest IRS Offices Nationwide

    Planned protests at IRS offices across the country seemed to stall at a few dozen Tea Party people outside the Treasury Department offices in Boston, Cincinnati, San Francisco and Washington today. Maybe there just aren't that many Tea Party people after all, or maybe Obama really did deploy the HAARP tornado machine.

    In Fort Wayne, Indiana, the protest consisted of exactly one person.

    http://gawker.com/...

    ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:56:08 PM PDT

  •  Protection from unreasonable search & seizure? (7+ / 0-)

    I remember when we had that.  I think it was called the Fourth Amendment.

    How come mass shooters are never charged with using a weapon of mass destruction?

    by jazzmaniac on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:59:29 PM PDT

    •  The Amendments have no enforcement (0+ / 0-)

      mechanism attached.
      For example, that illegally collected or coerced information cannot be employed in a legal proceeding to hold someone to account for crime has no effect whatsoever when there is no intent even to arrest, charge and go to trial and simple detention is the end of the line.
      Now, it can be argued that even a momentary detention is an arrest, but to present an argument, one has to be in a court and detainees never even get that far.
      That the Bill of Rights does anything is a delusion.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:32:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Being Stalked -- and that's the proper name for it (3+ / 0-)
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    -- whether by business or government, separately or in tandem, is something that would have the creators of this country rolling in their graves.

    It all needs to stop. There's a handful of people who really need watching, and those would be people with actual terrorist associations and those running government and large businesses. The rest of us ain't no threat to anybody except, maybe, to people in our daily lives. And that's what the police are for.

    End the Stalking. And stop calling it "tracking" and "surveillance" and the like.


    Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

    by Jim P on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:59:38 PM PDT

  •  Protecting telephone records from warrantless (4+ / 0-)

    searches is good, including emails would be better, IMO. I don't what the breakdown is among journalists, as opposed to the public, but for communication I probably use the latter more.

    It's not that hard to get to get a warrant. The reason they don't want to bother, is the chance a judge will tell them to reapply if it looks like they're on a fishing expedition.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:00:38 PM PDT

  •  Rand Paul Kissing Apple's Ass (5+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    Hoping To Raise Money From Tech Industry, Rand Paul Defends Apple’s Tax Dodging

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) vociferously defended Apple during a Senate hearing on Tuesday, as the tech giant fought against accusations that it used foreign subsidiares to dodge billions of dollars in taxes. The Tea Party favorite, who is openly considering a 2016 presidential bid, accused the government of “bullying” Apple and issued a personal apology to its executives.

    Apple CEO Tim Cook appeared before a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations one day after Congressional investigators revealed that Apple avoided paying $2.4 billion in taxes in 2011 alone.

    “I’m offended by the spectacle of dragging in Apple executives,” Paul said. “What we need to do is apologize to Apple and compliment them for the job creation they’re doing…Apple hasn’t broken any laws, yet Apple is forced to sit through a show trial,” he said.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:01:07 PM PDT

  •  Open Source Sniper Weapon for Dummies (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.networkworld.com/...

    Linux-based rifle scope lets beginners hit targets a quarter mile away, view results on free iPad Mini

    Network World - A high-tech Texas gun designer has started shipping its first generation shooting system that combines a hunting rifle with a Linux-based scope that takes so much guesswork out of hitting targets a quarter mile away that even novices can do it

    TrackingPoint Xact System consist of the rifle and electronic scope that accounts for distance, temperature and movement before freeing up the trigger to shoot, the company says.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:04:19 PM PDT

  •  I Want Someone To Identify a Journalistic Main- (2+ / 0-)
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    stream press before I get worried about government threats against it.

    We're fighting for the freedom of the corporate press to help replace corporate Democrats with corporate Republicans, nothing better.

    The vision of free press couldn't be more noble; its execution could not be more lethal to civilization.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:09:36 PM PDT

  •  Republican Mayor of Moore: (7+ / 0-)

    "If there's some kind of science that can help us understand what's goin' on here...."

    Move toward the light, move toward the "D."

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:17:44 PM PDT

    •  Nah. Can't do that. It has to be some (0+ / 0-)

      magical kind of Republican science that involves god creating the world 6,000 years ago, doesn't it?

      The mayor seems to be groping blindly for something that's right in front of him on a daily basis, if he would allow himself to believe.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:28:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Useful words (2+ / 0-)
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    Truedelphi, RJDixon74135

    I'll save the government time and money and list them here right over my handle:  regime.  hegemony.  capitalism.  vested interest.  authoritarian.  Unitary Executive Doctrine.  collapse.  pillage.  plunder.  dysfunction.  steroids.  too big to jail.  law and order.  illegal combatant.  terror.  lethal autonomous robot.  war.  austerity.  sequestration.  sanctions.  humanitarian intervention.  Holder Raids.

    Hic Rhodus, hic salta!

    by ActivistGuy on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:19:43 PM PDT

  •  For the life of me, I'll never understand (0+ / 0-)

    why in matters of intelligence people don't get who is really running this country. Call me conspiratorial  if you wish, but no president since the 60's has had a free hand in this area. Not one.

    The Great Awakening Is Afire! Think outside the box or remain mundane.

    by franklyn on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:21:28 PM PDT

  •  potential crime—“solicitation” of leaks (5+ / 0-)

    Heard or was reminded today that that is what Nixon tried to do regarding the Pentagon Papers. Nixon Admin said that the reporter for the New York Times and anti-war activists conspired with Ellsberg to release the Pentagon Papers. Wanted to get the reporter for conspiring under the Espionage Act.

  •  a unicorn appeared as well (3+ / 0-)
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    A genuine left-right coalition has developed over the past several days in response to the revelation that the Department of Justice seized Associated Press telephone records in its recent investigation of a CIA leak.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:31:24 PM PDT

  •  Finally (0+ / 0-)

    It's well past time someone did something about this. Sometimes I feel like I'm yelling into a sandstorm in the desert.

  •  NPR: Medicaid & the poor of the Rio Grande Valley (6+ / 0-)

    Story today from Sarah Varney.

    Shame on you, Rick Perry.

    Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:49:31 PM PDT

  •  Still looking for The Man with the Plan aren't (0+ / 0-)

    you. Well, what if I told you I knew the man with the plan and he is about to release it in mid August or late August?

    Problem is there hasn't been anyone with solutions to correcting our nation's many ill's and inhjustices thru govrnment that would allow you the bloggers to participate. A plan to do all this at once year after year and in something that George Washington or James Madison, et al never saw ever in their lifetimes and that was a democracy. As you yourselves in your entire lives have never witnessed or known a democracy to exist on earth.

    There has only been one in the entire recorded history of time. This plan gives you democracy and removes this stressing Republican which is as easy as the technology you are using as you read this. Come this summer...

    If the people in Kentucky were truly religious and Christian as they tell themselves as being then they wouldn't re-elect and send Senator Mitch McConnell back to the senate year after year.

    by leepearson on Tue May 21, 2013 at 10:00:54 PM PDT

  •  Leaks and such (0+ / 0-)

    I spent most of my working life in high security environments. I'm very disappointed in the reporting and the rhetoric surrounding these issues. The Patriot Act has nothing to do with any of this. Nothing would be different in either of these cases without the Act.

    WaPo reporting, in particular, has been very shallow and short sighted. The reporter for several of their articles has experience only in local, county, and state government. She is completely out of her depth on issues of national security.

    I'm pleased to finally see an article from someone who deeply understands what is at stake.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    The Associated Press leak investigation isn’t as clear-cut as the uproar makes it out to be.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Tue May 21, 2013 at 10:21:00 PM PDT

    •  My question is this for you and not to (0+ / 0-)

      be upsetting you but what do you think drives our National Security and has been for decades upoin decades. Have you really ever known?

      As I remember I can say against all enemies foreign and domestic trying to do harm to the constitution I swear to protect the rights of an American...if that enemy is The Justice Department, oh well...but doubt if you know whose policies your are enforcing in this so called and often mentioned "National Security" which is a trapping to hide the truth of what America is down deeply inside...

      If the people in Kentucky were truly religious and Christian as they tell themselves as being then they wouldn't re-elect and send Senator Mitch McConnell back to the senate year after year.

      by leepearson on Tue May 21, 2013 at 10:39:51 PM PDT

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      •  Please don't play word games or make vague (2+ / 0-)
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        insinuations. If you have something to say please say it.

        If you want to say the country has become nothing but a war machine, say it.

        If you want to say the MIC runs the country, say it.

        If you want to say the Bilderbergers run the world, say it.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Tue May 21, 2013 at 11:38:20 PM PDT

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      So the government rolled up the plot in April — almost certainly by April 24 — and then the AP came to the CIA and White House with their story about a foiled plot on May 2.

      It’s that timing that undermines the claim that the government still hoped to use the mole to get at Ibrahim al-Asiri. Because to maintain that claim, you’d have to explain how an AQAP operative who had been entrusted with the latest version of Ibrahim al-Asiri’s UndieBomb sometime in early April, had left (at least as far as Sanaa), had not apparently succeeded in his mission (which was, after all, meant to be a suicide bombing), could return to AQAP without the UndieBomb and infiltrate even further than he had the first time.

      “Oh, hi, AQAP gatekeeper” — their story must imagine the mole saying as he returned to AQAP — “I’ve both failed in my mission and somehow lost the bomb you gave me, but based on that would you be willing to let me spend some quality time with even higher-ranking AQAP operatives?”

      The government must believe AQAP has far worse counterintelligence than Asiri’s longevity would seem to suggest. Alternately, they’re just inventing stories right now to justify their seizure.

      The Laughable Currently Operative AP Pushback Story
      •  That raises questions I can't answer (0+ / 0-)

        What to do when the only answers to questions would involve exposing more secrets?

        But nobody on the outside will ever know the entire story. I'm likely as concerned about a shadow government as most who worry about such things. Iran-Contra exposed how such things can happen. The intelligence community controls the flow of information to the president and therefore controls policy. Some suggest that complete transparency is the answer. While I don't agree, I also don't have an answer.

        Getting back to the current issues and the role of the press I think motives are important to consider if we are to reach any level of understanding. Those who leaked intel apparently were not motivated by conscience. We're not talking about the Pentagon Papers. I've seen no indication the government was involved in any activity that needed to be exposed. The news organizations are apparently motivated by the desire for a competitive edge. If money is the value they acknowledge we have greater problems in our society than the issues before us today.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Tue May 21, 2013 at 11:20:35 PM PDT

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  •  Wouldn't want to rush any legislation (0+ / 0-)

    No point to responding to a crisis while emotions are running high.  We should surely let this moment pass, and maybe try to pass gun cont... I mean press shield laws later.  Like, in 2020.

    "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

    by libdevil on Tue May 21, 2013 at 11:16:22 PM PDT

  •  John Nichols (0+ / 0-)

    Any forecast from John Nichols should be taken with an entire salt mine.

    A Nichols prediction is generally based on a near-total misreading of the politics of the situation. This is a guy who endorsed Nancy Pelosi's insane-right opponent (and seemed to believe that the guy could win) and who wrote that there was no way that Rahm Emmanuel could get elected mayor of Chicago.

    In this case, there will be no "left-right coalition" because (a) there is no viable left -- at least as Nichols defines the left -- with which to form a coalition, and (b) the right wants to beat up on Obama, not make any actual changes.

    "There is no room for injustice anywhere in the American mansion." Lyndon Johnson

    by pkgoode on Wed May 22, 2013 at 02:21:56 AM PDT

  •  !! we have a ... (1+ / 0-)
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    winner ?

    all righty then.

    There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.--@Hugh * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Wed May 22, 2013 at 02:55:27 AM PDT

  •  Not meaning to be cynical, but, since there (0+ / 0-)

    is no evidence that the freedom of the press did anything to guarantee the liberty of slaves at the inception of the nation or to prevent the internment of citizens during the Second World War, the freedom of the press as the guarantor of liberty is not to be relied on. Never mind that the mis-named Bill of Rights has no enforcement provisions. If civil or human rights are violated by agents of government, only the citizenry can provide compensatory action by removing the malefactors.
    If I meant to be cynical, I'd argue that, since it is better for authorities to know who's discontented and about what, freedom of the press and of speech are good management tools. Better that insurgents be overt than working in secret.
    Finally, it needs to be routinely pointed out that the PATRIOT Act was cobbled together and promulgated by Congress. Our representatives have legitimated spying on inoffensive people on a hunch that they might be thinking of plotting offensive acts. Making spying legal serves no purpose but to preempt the possibility that guaranteeing respect for personal privacy might gain traction. Why is respect for personal privacy to be avoided? Because respecting a person's privacy and bodily integrity calls for a lot more restraint than keeping one's hands off other people's private property. If personal privacy were the standard, simple assault would be transformed into a serious crime. It would have an effect comparable to downgrading our legislative potentates into public servants. Moreover, if nobody can be beaten with impunity, it will spell the end of hierarchy.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:11:20 AM PDT

  •  FREEDOMS (0+ / 0-)

    I believe in a free and open press.  Yet it is not really there for the vast majority of us.  Yes, I can and have written letters to the editor but many have never been published.  Yes, I can write comments, like this one, some are declared to long (not this site) other they no longer recognize my username or passwords.  Only a few are chosen to appear on tv or radio to voice their opinions.  I no longer listen and obtain most of my news off the web, and at time write useless comments, but I have my fun, and it is entertaining.  Not all the press is free and open.  When only one sort of opinion is provided with no balance that is neither freedom, openness or good reporting.  No the government should not be involved in or with the press.  They should not be reading or collecting this comment as a paid job.  Yet, the press also has a responsibility to be fair, truthful, respectful,      
    and nonviolent.  Calling for the assassination of people and wanting to shoot someone in a particular body part is neither new or freedom.  Nor should the press encourage Federal employees to break the oaths.  What is freely given is fair game.  What is obtained by aiding,  abetting and encouragement is open to investigation since finding the source is as important to a free society as is a free press.

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