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JERUSALEM — According to the Washington Post "Israel’s defense chief said Tuesday a Russian plan to supply sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles to Syria was a “threat” and signaled that Israel is prepared to use force to stop the delivery.

The warning by Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon ratcheted up tensions with Moscow over the planned sale of S-300 air-defense missiles to Syria. Earlier in the day, a top Russian official said his government remained committed to the deal."

So there you have it, friends. Israel is going to attack Russian ships delivering air-defense missiles to Syria so it can retain its absolute air supremacy in the Middle East.

Now I know that Israel compared with Russia is like comparing a mosquito with an elephant (or bear), but given that Israel has nukes and is deranged enough to use them and has the U.S. as its main supporter, the situation is fraught.

The bottom line is that Israel, like the U.S., has no right to tell other sovereign countries what they can and can't have. But it has been occupying and oppressing the Palestinians for so long (since 1947) that it has lost touch with reality. Therein lies the danger.

Of course, if Israel sank a Russian ship, the Russians would retaliate and then the American leadership, which is nearly as deranged as that of the Israelis, would enter the fray and...well you can see where that little lot would end up!

The important question which must be answered is: is the world going to become embroiled in a nuclear holocaust because a tiny group of Israeli religious fanatics insist on dictating to the rest of their geographical neighbors using threats, military force, and occupation?

If the world doesn't address this situation soon, the holocaust that will follow will make what happened in Germany in WW2 look like a Sunday School picnic and humans will face extinction!

Perhaps that would be a good thing.

Originally posted to David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:04 PM PDT.

Also republished by Extraterrestrial Anthropologists.

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  •  this reminds me that our Congress (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mickT, corvo, Fishtroller01

    is strangled by a small group of TeaBuggerers. And they are destroying our country in the process. Israel needs a dose of reality, with several boosters to follow shortly.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:08:40 PM PDT

    •  The problem is that Israel has the power (5+ / 0-)

      To create its own reality from the Golan to the Egyptian border.  Any reminder of what it takes to create that reality is walled in, jailed, blown up, paved over, or deported.

      A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

      by MrJayTee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:35:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The difference between the Teabuggerers (0+ / 0-)

      and bona fide Democrats is one of party affiliation and nothing else -- not when it comes to this issue.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 07:40:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well there goes the planet (or at least the (4+ / 0-)

    biosphere).  Israel nukes Russia, Russia retaliates, then we have to nuke Russia to protect Israel, then Russia nukes us.

    You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

    by Throw The Bums Out on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:16:12 PM PDT

    •  If Russia Retaliates with Nuclear Weapons (2+ / 0-)

      There would be no Israel left to protect.  It wouldn't take much to do that. One or two nukes -- one to Tel Aviv, one to the Negev Desert and maybe a couple more delivered to various air force bases.

      Israel would be glass.  You would be able to make ash trays out of it.

      And the U.S. would then be in the position of committing suicide to avenge Israel being made into glass.

      Fortunately, Russia wouldn't be so stupid as to nuke Israel.  But some long rang cruise missiles using conventional one-ton warheads?  That isn't out of the realm of possibility if Israel attacks Russian ships.

      This aggression will not stand, man.

      by kaleidescope on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:25:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Israeli government is in the hands (13+ / 0-)

    of conservatives and hawks. But they are not religious fanatics. benjamin Netanyahu is fairly secular, and his cabinet could hardly be described as religious fanatics. I have never heard an Israeli PM say anything as religiously fanatical as some of the things bush or reagan said. You can criticize Israel for many things, but their foreign policy is not driven by religious fanaticism.

    •  if israel opposes something (8+ / 0-)

      that something must be good. like assad getting even more sophisticated weapons.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:29:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well what do you think is going to happen if (7+ / 0-)

      Israel sinks a bunch of Russian ships?  Do you really think Russia will just sit back and take it or do you think they will retaliate in some way whether economic or militarily (with any strikes limited to military targets only, of course)?  And what do you think Israel's response would be to having one of it's bases or weapon factories destroyed by the Russians (exactly, a nuclear strike on Russia).

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:29:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It could go either way. (2+ / 0-)
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      That's the beauty of it.  

      If true, though, wow!

      A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

      by MrJayTee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:31:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  In essence, the believes it more important... (1+ / 0-)
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      for Syria to have more advanced weaponry.

      •  The diarist, of course. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  More important that what? Than going nuclear (4+ / 0-)
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        with Russia (because if Russia retaliates for the sinking of their ships the only chance Israel has is to go nuclear)?  Do you really think Israel would survive the nuclear winter that would result from a full scale nuclear war?

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Wed May 29, 2013 at 07:17:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  OK, I can play that game too (11+ / 0-)

        The S300 is an air defense missile with no offensive capability whatsoever.

        So what you're really saying is that it's more important that Israel be able to bomb them if they want to.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 07:41:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Bingo (3+ / 0-)
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          n/t

          Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

          by truong son traveler on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:07:20 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Another uniformed comment (0+ / 0-)
          The S-300 missiles with a range of 200-300 km are a threat to Israel and can reach aircraft over Ben Gurion Airport, Yuval Steinitz, Israeli minister of international relations, told reporters. That makes them “not just defensive weapons, but offensive,” he said, calling the Russian move “terribly wrong.”
          http://www.japantimes.co.jp/...
          The S-300 SAM systems remain one of the most lethal, if not the most lethal, all altitude area defence SAM systems in service, with a range of more capable derivatives entering service in Russia, or in development. Over the Taiwan Strait the later versions of the S-300 become "offensive" weapons in that they can attack targets in Taiwanese airspace, severely challenging that nation’s air defense. Moreover, these missiles threaten all U.S. combat aircraft that may be called upon to assist Taiwan
          http://www.strategycenter.net/...
          Though Russia states that the S-300 is "defensive" in nature, the mobile system could be used to support offensive operations.  S-300s located on Iranian territory would have the range to engage targets well beyond Iran,s borders into Persian Gulf and Iraqi airspace, threatening U.S. and regional partners.
          http://www.nowpublic.com/...

          To believe that Syria should have these weapons, and would not use them offensively to further its interests, only shows how misinformed people can be when they want to dump on Israel.

          •  "They're a threat to us because they could shoot (5+ / 0-)

            down our aircraft if we tried to attack them".

            Christ.

            "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

            by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:26:15 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Reaching the airport and shooting... (0+ / 0-)

              passenger jets, because they would NEVER do that!!

              And you say Christ? How blind you seem to be.

              Nice to see so much care for the Syrian regime's welfare.

              •  What the fuck would Assad *or* Hizbullah (3+ / 0-)

                have to gain by shooting down civilian airliners?

                What the hell would the point be?

                Do you think they're Al Qaeda?  

                "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 10:22:20 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  How true. If you want to see a country (3+ / 0-)

                that shoots down passenger jets, then reach for your passport.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 06:26:00 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  With all its faults... (0+ / 0-)

                  I remain glad to have that passport, though it seems like many here only see the faults and use this to rationalize anything.

                  •  There's an old saying in German: (1+ / 0-)
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                    "Sweep up in front of your own door first."

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 09:56:49 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Compared to the entities you seem... (0+ / 0-)

                      to be advocating for, the area in front of our door is quite clean.

                      And even if it was not, to use that to rationalize and imply that Assad is better because he has not yet shot down a plane is revealing, and not in a good way.

                       

                      •  Assad is better (1+ / 0-)
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                        because even at his guys' worst, they're not Al Qaeda, and they're not out to murder entire ethnicities and religions, unlike our guys there.

                        Oh, and when I start paying taxes to Assad, I'll say you had a point.

                        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                        by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 11:15:32 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  You seem to argue Assad is better... (0+ / 0-)

                          than the Israelis and Americans, which is who I was comparing him to, despite your remark.

                          How many people has he slaughtered so far?

                          Why do you only seem to be riled by America and Israel?

                          •  I can't do anything about your straw men, (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
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                            sorry.

                            We have no idea how many people Assad's side has slaughtered.  We have estimated total dead, but a goodly chunk of the dead can be credited to our guys.  Well, yours at least.

                            Why do you only seem to be riled by America and Israel?
                            I'm an American taxpayer, and some of that money goes to pay for Israel.  Last time we gave Syria anything was when it participated in our "extraordinary renditions."

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 11:28:56 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I am just responding to your comments... (0+ / 0-)

                            and that is the impression I am left with.

                            When it was discussed that these missiles can shoot down civilian planes, YOU brought up America.

                            Then YOU said that Israel might even board a Russian ship and implied Israel acted illegally when it enforced the blockade.

                            So who is the one raising straw men?

                          •  This has NOTHING to do with tax dollars. (0+ / 0-)

                            Yet you say I raise straw men?

                            This was about the Russian missiles and Assad and if Israel would be justified to destroy them.

                          •  You asked about my interest (0+ / 0-)

                            in the USA and Israel; I responded.  Sorry it can't get through to you.

                            Otherwise, as far as Assad and Russian missiles are concerned, I don't believe any nation has the right to destroy anything not on its own territory.

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 11:59:20 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Does that principle apply to armed conflict? (0+ / 0-)

                            It flies in the face of law and reality.

                          •  Well, if Israel chooses to bomb Syria, (0+ / 0-)

                            then Syria can retaliate with the weaponry Russia is legally supplying her with.

                            Sure you want to go there?

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 12:37:11 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You made a specific statement of principle... (0+ / 0-)

                            concerning the use of force, yet avoid the question I asked.

                            Or have you already contradicted your principle?

                          •  oh, and your support of Salafist jihad (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            JesseCW

                            in general, and Al Qaeda in particular, is duly noted. :-)

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 11:29:38 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And you accuse me of raising straw men? (0+ / 0-)

                            It's comical and quite pathetic.

                          •  You missed the smiley at the end (0+ / 0-)

                            of my comment.

                            So who are you supporting?  This Administration's attempts to find a "democratic opposition" in Syria to support have been as desperate as they've been comical.  Maybe you know someone?

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 11:57:24 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I am not supporting anyone in Syria... (0+ / 0-)

                            because there seem to be no good guys, but side with Israel, who seems held to a double standard around here from what I see, by many who ironically claim to speak for human rights.

                            I don't even think it's a close call here, yet it seems that people will seek out ways to compare Israel with the worst abusers, when anyone exercising balance can see it is folly. The difference between democracy and dictatorship matters.

                            I do not link this matter, or the overall scope, to tax dollars either.

                          •  And Israel has been attacked by Syria (0+ / 0-)

                            . . . when again?  There haven't been any hostilities since Syria lost the Golan, except for some pretty egregious preemtive strikes by Israel.  

                            But hey, if Israel wants jihad next door -- and apparently she does -- then who am I to stop her?

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 12:38:50 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  1967 and 1973 (0+ / 0-)

                            These states are still in a state of belligerence.

                            It's not a matter of what Israel wants, but what exists. Odd that you seem to think that Israel causes what is happening, or the mentality of its neighbors.

                          •  I also don't understand (0+ / 0-)

                            why you're so concerned about Israel.  Israel can more than take care of herself.

                            This is primarily about realizing the PNAC plan, and about liberating Syrian natural resources for the likes of Exxon, BP, and Total . . . with the big prize, Iran, yet to come.

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 12:40:24 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I think you are living in a surreal, paranoid... (0+ / 0-)

                            world. There is no doubt that corporations exert undue influence, but to attribute this matter to them stretches credulity.

                            Take the last word if you like. Or not.

    •  Absurd assumptions too (4+ / 0-)

      I haven't heard that Israel is looking to attack Russian ships other than in this diary.  Israel will attack the warehouses were these will be stored after delivery, though.  And with good reason.  Assad has no compunction about trading them to terrorist organizations in return for their support.  In the end, Syria can't and won't stop Israel from taking these necessary preventative precautions.  They didn't a few weeks ago.  They won't next time.  Syria's only plan of action if praying that Israel doesn't pinpoint their exact location when in country.

      •  Terrorists? You can do better than that. (7+ / 0-)

        No terrorist group is going to be able to set up and operate an S-300 missile system.

        It's a strategic SAM roughly equivalent to the US Patriot.

        It's not the kind of thing some terrorist is going to carry in the back of his pickup truck.

        Imagine a couple of grain silos mounted on the back of an oversized semi truck.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 07:49:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Have you heard of Hezbollah? (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you aware that they are the leading political party in Lebanon, with a militia equal to the army? Are you aware they are actively supporting Syria in open battle?

          Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

          by dhonig on Wed May 29, 2013 at 07:57:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not a good system for them (8+ / 0-)

            These are used to protect large, fixed targets like airbases.

            Last time I checked Hezbollah doesn't have an air force.

            You seem convinced that the IAF is going to easily be able to find and destroy these things in Syria yet somehow they're going to turn invisible if they go to Lebanon?

            If we were talking crates full of SA-16s you might just have a point.

            If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

            by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:03:39 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  You seem to be mistaken on your premise (0+ / 0-)

              That Hezbollah will use these systems for "defense".  The main usage will be to take down commercial airliners.

              •  You seem rather convinced (6+ / 0-)

                that they would go to Hezbollah and not be used to defend Syrian airspace against a US no-fly zone or an air strike by somebody.

                Buy hey, if you're so convinced you can blow them up in Syria why not wait until they move them to Lebanon and then you can go "Ah ha! See! We told you so!"

                These things travel by the batallion. Ought to be easy enough to spot.

                If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

                by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:33:26 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  This is a perfect example (5+ / 0-)

                of Western people speaking of things they know not.

                The '80s version of Hizballah that everyone basis their understanding of Hizballah is so out of date.

                You realize Hizballah condemned 9/11.

                Hizballah has not not done a 'terrorist' act since the '90s. They are a political movement that has a paramilitary force. This force, by political necessity, abides by a very strict code.

                In 2000, when Israel finally left occupying southern Lebanon, Hizballah did not take revenge on the ASL stooges that were left behind. The very people Israel used to torture Hizballah.

                So please update your thinking. It would do you a bit of good. And it would also help the average Lebanese if Americans weren't fighting some ghost from the '80s but actually understood the current Lebanese reality.

                •  Well, rather, they now engage in the same kind (2+ / 0-)
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                  of terrorist acts the US and Israel do.

                  Oh, look, "oopsie", our missile killed a bunch of civilians.  Again.  Like usual.

                  But, really, we were aiming at that base over there.  Pink Swear!

                  "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                  by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:09:32 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Yeah, they are a bunch of democrats! (0+ / 0-)

                  With a love for human rights, pluralism, the whole shebang.

                  Their leader:

                  If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)
                  Do you actually believe the garbage you are promoting?
                •  This is a perfect example (1+ / 0-)
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                  of Western people speaking of things they know not.

                  The '00s version of Hezbollah that some people base their understanding of Hezbollah on is so out of date.

                  Great Britain, France and Germany have done an about-face and put Hezbollah's military wing back on the terrorist list due to their terrorist attack in Bulgaria, when they blew up a bus full of Jews.

                  So much for their "very strict code."

                  Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

                  by dhonig on Thu May 30, 2013 at 03:33:21 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  Why? (5+ / 0-)

                What would Hizbullah gain by shooting down a commercial airliner?

                What would be their purpose in doing this?

                "They're crazy dirty Arabs and fucking Arabs love death" will not count as an answer.

                "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:29:02 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  small question is how did Hizbullah end up top (0+ / 0-)

            dog?

            Very complicated question there going back as far as France wishing to ensure a permanent Christian enclave in the ME for tactical purposes

        •  Hezbollah (0+ / 0-)

          Intends to try.  They aren't a lone wolf threat.  They have enough sophistication to utilize the SAM's.

          •  If I was trying to equip a terrorist group (6+ / 0-)

            with some sort of air defense weapon this is about the last thing I'd want to give them.

            In fact, I question how well even Syria would be able to operate these, let alone someone like Hezbollah.

            If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

            by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:07:59 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Syria tried to arm Hezbollah (0+ / 0-)

              Very recently with these same SAM's.  well, not the same ones.  Israel destroyed those.  This is the replacement shipment.  Israel WILL destroy these too.  Just not on Usain ships.  And that it doesn't make sense to you just means you don't understand the determination of Israel's enemies.

              •  Not likely (3+ / 0-)
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                I know of no previous shipments of S-300s to Syria. You might be thinking of some other system.

                What the IAF is afraid of (and rightfully so) is that these have the range to cover much of Israeli airspace from Syria.

                The IAF is used to having complete air supremacy and they don't want to see that balance tipped.

                If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

                by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:24:26 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  What Israel wants or doesn't want is immaterial! (3+ / 0-)

                  Since when does one tiny nation have the right to dictate to all of its neighbors and, indeed, the rest of the world?

                  Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

                  by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:28:22 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  When they can. (0+ / 0-)

                    I understand some see Israel's actions being aggressive.  Others, like myself, see them as defensive.  30 years ago, I would've been inclined to attempt to sway your opinion.  I've learned a lot since my teenage years.  Mostly that people are entrenched in their ideals and what is important is to engage respectfully.

                •  Yes, Iranian missiles (0+ / 0-)

                  From the NYT, 5/4/2013
                  "An American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing intelligence reports, said the targeted shipment consisted of Iranian-made Fateh-110s — a mobile, accurate, solid-fueled missile that has the range to strike Tel Aviv and much of Israel from southern Lebanon, and that represents a considerable improvement over the liquid-fueled Scud missile. Two prominent Israeli defense analysts said the shipment included Scud Ds, a missile that Syrians have developed from Russian weapons with a range of up to 422 miles — long enough to reach Eilat, in southernmost Israel, from Lebanon."

                  These new missiles deserve Israel's gravest concerns.

                  •  Big difference (5+ / 0-)

                    between a SAM and a surface-to-surface missile like a SCUD.

                    This would be comparable to Syria pitching a hissy-fit over Iron Dome.

                    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

                    by Major Kong on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:38:56 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

                      Israel had mentioned at the time surface to air were game changers.  If the attacked over the former, these will be certainly targeted.  Their previous comments, and subsequent attack, lead me to believe Israel knew these were coming.  

                      •  You're arguing that Syria has no right to posses (6+ / 0-)

                        purely defenses weapons that serve only to deter Israeli airstrikes.

                        Do you even get how firmly you're rejecting even the faintest hope of peace?

                        Ever?

                        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                        by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:12:50 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Only if you believe (0+ / 0-)

                          That these SAM's are "purely defense weapons".  I do not.  Syria does not seek peace with Israel.  They seek for others to act, secretly, on their behalf.  

                          •  Israel does not seek peace with Syria under (4+ / 0-)

                            any terms that do not involve Syria ceding the Golan.

                            Israel holds as its most central belief that butchering Arabs is always better than losing land, and will only retreat from territory captured by force if truly convinced that its continued existence as a state is otherwise in serious danger.

                            Knowing that, any Syrian government not interested in abjectly surrendering to Western interests would seek the best air defense possible.  

                            Dealing with batshit crazy racists who despise you and are holding a large chunk of your territory and 15,000 of your citizens while refusing to make peace under any reasonable terms is a pretty big incentive to seek out some modern SAM's.

                            "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                            by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:34:46 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                •  The last time a neighbor had solid air defenses (1+ / 0-)
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                  corvo

                  Israel could not penetrate, Israel lost the Sinai.

                  "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                  by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:11:32 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  It's a total nonsense, Jesse! (1+ / 0-)
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                    Fishtroller01

                    Does Israel really think it can control every other nation in the Middle East forever and threaten to attack them if they dare to do something to protect themselves.

                    Such thinking is psychotic!

                    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

                    by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:16:48 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Yes. They think they can control every nation (4+ / 0-)

                      that shares a border with them.

                      Even their proposals for a Palestinian non-state would require a completely demilitarized glorified Reservation with no ability to defend itself.

                      They don't see Arabs as fully human, or entitled to the same basic rights as other peoples.  First and foremost among the rights Arab lack are the right to self defense and self determination.

                      "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                      by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:23:42 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Define "they", please. (0+ / 0-)

                        If you mean to say that "they" is Israel, than your comments that Arabs aren't seen as fully human etc, is patently anti-semetic.

                        Now, if what you meant to say is that there are some israeli's, as well as Arabs, who view eachother as less than human, than not only is that acceptable, it is correct.  You should reconsider what you wrote and make appropriate corrections.

                        •  I mean the government of Israel, and the majority (4+ / 0-)

                          of those who vote there.

                          In order to embrace Apartheid, as Israel has, you have to believe that your victims aren't fully human.

                          I you state that Self-Determination is a basic human right, and then actively and wilfully deny that right to others, you're saying you don't see them as Human.

                          In order to sanction the large scale bombing of civilians, and the gunning down of unarmed protesters seeking nothing but the right of self governance, you have to see your victims as less than human.

                          Those views are patently racist.  They are odious.  

                          They are not minority views in Israel.

                          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                          by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 10:21:00 PM PDT

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                        •  Presumably "they" would refer to the Israeli (1+ / 0-)
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                          corvo

                          government, or at least a good portion of it.

                          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                          by Throw The Bums Out on Wed May 29, 2013 at 10:41:50 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                        •  Ah, there it is... the anti-semitic accusation! (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          corvo

                          Took longer than normal. And it's spelled with an "i" in the middle, just in case you want to use it again.

                          •  Not to mention that the plural of "Israeli" (1+ / 0-)
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                            Fishtroller01

                            is "Israelis" -- at least in English. ;-)

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 07:43:06 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

              •  Israel bombed something or other. They (3+ / 0-)

                say it was SAM's.

                You believe them without question, because...well.  Who knows why.

                "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:10:39 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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                corvo

                Israel destroyed SA-17s in Syria this year.  The 300s aren't replacements for those, they were contracted for since 2010, and held up by international pressure.  The israeli airstrike on the SA 17s pissed off the Russians to the point they resumed the shipment of the 300s.

                it should be noted that Israel used Lebanese airspace to penetrate Syrian Air defenses.  it is a soft flank, the SA 300s will help close that.  It is doubtful ISraeli jets even entered Syrian airspace using standoff bombs like the Popeye or other GBU to hit Damascus sites.

      •  I will never understand what happens to people (8+ / 0-)

        that leads them to call airstrikes "preventative precautions", and shit like that.

        It's like some peoples parents just never had the decency to take them to see George Carlin.

        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

        by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 07:51:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I disagree with much of Israel's foreign policy... (7+ / 0-)

    ...and the DoD Moshe Yalon is scary, here he is with Pam Gellar;

    Gellar and Yalon photo YalonandGeller_zpsb01f66cf.jpg.

    But IMO there are much smarter people in the Israel military and iin Israel in general who would not let this happen.  It would be suicide.  Even North Korea is not that crazy.

    And as the WaPo article says it's not clear that Israeli warplanes even entered Syria.

    It's saber rattling to stop the delivery and to "negotiate" with the Russians who are also no idiots.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:31:45 PM PDT

  •  Russia is a lot less powerful than you think. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus

    In recent years Russia has struggled to maintain even a nominal military presence beyond its own borders, due to its financial crisis and massive social problems from falling life expectancy to rampant alcoholism and astronomical desertion rates.

    For example, the Russian 'fleet' of nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines is currently down to 9 or 10 vessels still in service, with the second of a new class of subs finally fitting out after long delays. But this 'fleet' mostly sits at dockside due to very low levels of training and skill, and due to lack of funds. Only five 'deterrent patrols' were sailed in all of 2012. The giant 'Typhoon' class subs have all been taken out of service and are being scrapped as too expensive.

    Russian conventional forces are in even worse shape. I suspect that any confrontation between Russian and Israeli forces would not yield the result you might expect. Remember, Russian ground forces were seriously thrashed invading Grozny, which was defended by poorly organized irregulars.

    •  What about Israel's last attack on Lebanon? (7+ / 0-)

      They retreated with their tails between their legs. Russia's military is vastly superior to that of Lebanon.

      Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

      by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:41:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's not because Israel couldn't have (3+ / 0-)

        obliterated Lebanon from the map, you know.

        It's because Israel lost a few boys in the process -- something Israel had not been expecting, and anything less than a one-sided turkey shoot does NOT play well at home there.

        Israel is a lot like the USA in that regard, but with one exception: Its populace is much better informed.  I assume it's legal to show body bags on the teevee there, whereas in this country it's forbidden.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 06:30:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Vastly larger, yes. Vastly superior.... (0+ / 0-)

        it's never about the numbers. Hezbollah laid some very clever ambushes into which the arrogant Israeli tank commanders blithely stumbled.

        Hezbollah was a lot smarter than, say, the Russians in Chechnya.

    •  it is still a regional top dog (1+ / 0-)
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      JesseCW

      After all, after a period of rebuilding after Afghanistan and the First Chechen War, their military has dominated their neighbors, excepting a continuing asymmetrical war with various Muslim groups

    •  We've got Putin v. Netanyahu. (0+ / 0-)

      Both freaking idiots and dangerous.

      You guys do the math.

      •  Putin is a thug (1+ / 0-)
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        protectspice

        but he's actually really smart.  (Bibi isn't stupid either.)  Putin is also a lot less aggressive in parts of the world that aren't already under the Russian sphere of influence, unlike the USA and Israel.

        So who are the real idiots?

        But I'll concede that everyone involved is dangerous.  Some defensively, others aggressively.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 07:45:11 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  For Pete's sake, diarist, here's your link (5+ / 0-)

    JERUSALEM — Israel’s defense chief said Tuesday a Russian plan to supply sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles to Syria was a “threat” and signaled that Israel is prepared to use force to stop the delivery.

    The warning by Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon ratcheted up tensions with Moscow over the planned sale of S-300 air-defense missiles to Syria. Earlier in the day, a top Russian official said his government remained committed to the deal.

    A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

    by MrJayTee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 06:38:25 PM PDT

  •  "Israel is going to attack Russian ships..." (7+ / 0-)

    If this isnt one of the more idiotic diaries I've read lately, I dont know what is.

  •  Or they can wait until the missiles are delivered (1+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice

    and off the ships, then blow them up. They would be attacking Syria, not Russia.

    •  but the Israelis seem to view Assad as (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      whizdom

      preferable to some al Qaeda linked groups which seem to be gaining the upper hand in some areas.  It appears that the secular rebels are too disorganized and fractious to present a viable alternative to the present regime or to the Salafist groups operating there

      •  Like the US, UK, and France they seem (3+ / 0-)
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        whizdom, corvo, truong son traveler

        to be formulating a plan to fracture Syria into at least two countries, three if they can manage it.

        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

        by JesseCW on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:35:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Israel prefers powerless and chaos (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        entlord, Fishtroller01

        in Syria to either Assad or Al Qaeda.

        It's good for business and it keeps the Israeli populace afraid, ignoring the country's dicey socioeconomic condition in favor of the kind of fearfulness that keeps people voting for hawks.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 06:33:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  the weapons (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      corvo

      are extremely laarge and complex and likely accompanied by Russian technicians.  A strike on the weapons that would result in the deaths of Russian citizens would be a very bad outcome.  

    •  Unless the Russians are crafty enough (0+ / 0-)

      to maintain an advisory presence during the transports and at the missile sites . . .

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 06:32:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Likud gov't does have alot of cojones (3+ / 0-)
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    gerrilea, corvo, Fishtroller01

    . . . if I read that right - that Israel directly threatened to block Russia from delivering those weapons by force. Maybe it's bluster, maybe not. I can't imagine Russia going to war to save the Syrian government.

    But I very much could envision Israel going to war to alter the strategic equation in Syria. Or trying to get us to do their dirty work for them. Clearly, the Israeli government is trying to goad the U.S. & NATO into intervention.

    •  Not sure that it's cojones, Billy! (1+ / 0-)
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      Fishtroller01

      I think religious derangement is closer to the truth.

      Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

      by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 08:01:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Let's see now - you're surrounded by countries (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Kane in CA

        whose leaders have repeatedly expressed the desire and intent to wipe you from the face of the Earth. You have recent history of one country actually attempting to do that. You feel (rightly or wrongly) that the only thing that keeps these demons at bay is your local air superiority - and now an outside player wants to introduce game-changing missile technology into the hands of a desperate government that is facing potential annihilation by its non-alawite population.

        I think you wait until the missiles are off-loaded at Latakia and take them out as soon as possible - including Latakia if the Russians try to immediately set up a battery there. Yes is a dangerous play - but what the f*k are the Russians doing. This is a very dangerous part of the world that is unravelling fast.

        I have many issues with the self-destructive right-wing turn in Israel and the myopic and racist treatment of Palestinians - but to describe anything they are doing or propose to do here as "religious derangement" is absurd hyperbole. This is getting very real for everyone - and not in a good way.

        •  Threatening Russia clearly demonstrates religious (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Fishtroller01

          derangement, Island Chris.

          It is hardly an action that a reasonable and intelligent person would engage in let alone a tiny country with a minuscule population.

          Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

          by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 10:48:03 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The Russians are NOT going to take on Israel with (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            whizdom

            the US 6th fleet there. The fact is the only assets Russia has in the immediate area is the naval base at Latakia - and that's not going to do them much good.

            But I think really this is sort of a side-show - the far bigger worry for all of us is that this situation is spilling over into Lebanon and Iraq, and turning into a major Sunni-Shia conflict with Iran and Saudi Arabia as the rival puppet-masters. The rest of us (Russians included) are just looking on in horror. It's not at all clear that the boundaries drawn up by the British and French in the 1920's Sykes-Picot agreement will survive this. The Kurds for one would be glad to see the end of Iraq.
             

            •  Syrian Kurds are getting de facto independence. (1+ / 0-)
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              whizdom

              From the information I've gleaned, it appears that the Syrian military has made a tactical retreat from the Kurdish-populated areas of the northeast. If this is so, then the Kurdish fighters should now have uncontested control of this region. If the brush-fire sectarian war spreads to Iraq - a likely prospect - then the Kurds might be the lucky beneficiaries. If Iraq & Syria both disintegrate, an independent & sovereign Kurdistan can become a de facto & possibly even de jure reality. Surely the Kurds intend to seize the moment; they've waited far too long, been hung out to dry too many times & suffered far too much.

            •  Russian Pacific fleet (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              corvo, truong son traveler

              Just moved into the med.  Providing air defense from west until the SA 300s become operational

              •  The problem for Russia is that they have no (0+ / 0-)

                significant carrier-based capability and the only land-based facility they have in the region is the naval base in Syria. Israel can overfly Syria in minutes.

                As this Russia Today article points out - its not just the Pacific fleet ships turning up but elements from the Baltic and Black Sea fleet as well. Heck - even the Chinese are in on the "lets move our ships to the Med" game. Russia has not announced where its Mediterranean HQ is going to be based - if it isn't Syria its hard to see anywhere else that would take them.

                As Libya revealed the bulk of the NATO air activity was sustained from bases in Italy, where crews and equipment could be properly maintained, and rapid response to changing missions mounted. Russia and China simply have no assets in the region. Britain has the Akrotiri base in Cyprus, and depending how things unfold there are NATO bases in Turkey.

                This is a dangerous game being played, and I actually think the Russian's are being stunningly incompetent here - the MidEast is in the midst of a dangerous transformation and it ought to be much clearer what Russia's interests are. The heady days of the '60s and '70s when the Soviet Union could count on stalwart allies across the region are well and truly gone. To Islamists Russia is only one step behind the great Satan - so it's really hard to figure out what their game plan is beyond some reflexive anti-western sentiment. Russia is now a well-armed petro-state with no ideology to sell any more, and this is not "Great Game 2".

          •  Do you have any idea (0+ / 0-)

            how absurd you sound? How obviously biased you are in your conclusions? Is North Korea suffering from "religious derangement"? They're a small country threatening a larger one. Or are they conducting diplomacy by bluster, a strategy that has worked quite well for them in the past. But to you, where Jews are involved, it's RELIGIOUS.

            What does that say about you?

            Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

            by dhonig on Thu May 30, 2013 at 05:22:30 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Update . . . (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JesseCW, sceptical observer

      It appears that Israel is backpedaling on this one.

      The lead got buried, but that's the gist of this article in the Guardian. Israel sends delegation to Moscow in attempt to persuade Russia to halt missile delivery to Syria.

      •  No backpedling by Israel. (2+ / 0-)
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        corvo, Fishtroller01

        Remember the Turkish Aid Ship and the 13 people killed on it?

        Israel is not restricted by International Law or any U.N. Resolutions. It does what it wants, then seeks to justify it!

        Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

        by David Gee on Wed May 29, 2013 at 10:27:40 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Apparently this is a different matter. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Fishtroller01

          Part of the reason why I was surprised by that threat was that Israel & Russia had heretofore been keen to maintain (if not overly friendly) at least functional working relations. My guess is that within the Israeli cabinet, cooler heads are prevailing for now. Certainly Israel would like to have the SA-300 delivery stopped, but it has much to lose from needlessly antagonizing Russia.

          True, one would have thought the same about Israel with regard to Turkey, but I suspect that behind the domestic posturing, the Israeli government privately regretted the attack on the Mavi Marmara. Whatever the case, it recently jumped at the opportunity to patch things up with Turkey, though I don't think Turkey will ever go back to any form of tacit tacit alliance with Israel.

          My guess is that, if push comes to shove, Russia wouldn't risk war to save the Assad regime. But it does seem intent on checking U.S./Israeli/British/French moves toward open intervention. Good for Russia. It was also heartening to see German Chancellor Angela Merkel pour cold water on talk of European intervention.

      •  I doubt Israel is backpedaling. (0+ / 0-)

        It's probably reminding Russia that its nukes can be trained on Moscow.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu May 30, 2013 at 07:46:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Juan Cole on Coming Russia - Israel War (2+ / 0-)
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    whizdom, corvo

    the threats if followed through would lead to war

    Yaalon is an Israeli Neoconservative of sorts, who was fired as Army Chief of Staff in 2005 for opposing the Israeli withdrawal of settlements from the Gaza Strip. He later joined the far right Likud Party. He has called the Palestinians a “cancer” and said Israel had to consider killing Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In short, he is a bit erratic and a hothead, which is not what you would like to see in the defense minister of a nuclear-armed state.
    Given that both Israel and Russia are nuclear states, and given the complete US backing for Israel, conflict between those two is extremely dangerous for the world and for the United States. 1973 was probably the last time the US went on nuclear alert, and it was because of the danger that the Soviet Union might intervene in the 1973 War (in which Yaalon fought, and during which Putin was just a college student–he joined the KGB in 1975).
    http://www.juancole.com/...
  •  Easy fix: (0+ / 0-)

    step into the shower and douse your blazing head.

    This diary is absurd, and evinces a detachment from reality.

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Thu May 30, 2013 at 05:28:17 AM PDT

  •  We don't want more anti ship (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    corvo

    missiles in the region either.  there are SA 300 variants that are anti ship.  Great concern to US Navy.

    hezbollah hit an Israeli corevette in 2006 with a chinese c-802.  

    the 300s have twice the range

  •  Know your diarist (0+ / 0-)

    This is the same person who gave us these gems (and no, I won't link to his hate-filled conspiracy theory website):

    Perhaps the wives will divorce their spouses and marry each other. Stranger things have happened in this crazy world!
    Britain and the U.S. are no better than the NAZIS!
    “It’s popular to say that the US is the world’s “Superpower”. But the more a person understands designs of power, the more likely they are to realize that when it comes to power, the US is a colony of Israel.
    Rothschild Zionism, Rothschild-controlled central banks (in every nation on Earth but Cuba, North Korea, and Iran), the “Federal Reserve System”, the “City of London”—such is where dominant power resides, at least in terms of psychopathic contrivance in a system hideous in light of humanity’s potential for decency, capacity for…humanity. At the very least, humans could do better than relentlessly allowing psychopaths to rule.

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

    by dhonig on Thu May 30, 2013 at 06:25:57 AM PDT

  •  Diary is nutz. Israel and Turkey and Jordan all... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dhonig, Kane in CA

    ... are within their rights to complain about Russia selling more sophisticated arms to an increasingly desperate Syrian soon to be torn asunder government.

    I for one do not fear the newest anti-aircraft missiles.  The Russian's are a long way from being able to actually shoot down the latest F16/15's let alone the F22's.

    The correct US response should be, to announce negotiations for the sale of F22's to Israel, Turkey and Jordan.

    As for all this nuclear crap, please. The Russians will never fire, and the Israeli's have had them for 50 years and never used them.

    The US had the justification and target on 9/11 and didn't use them... to destroy Kandahar.

    In case no one noticed, Israel having AIR SUPERIORITY is one of the things that has kept a lid on the middle east for decades. I don't see the problem with that, after all that IS the entire purpose of the US continued aircraft technology development in the $100's of billions for decades. Superiority for peace.

    Not mentioned is the motivation for Putin.... to put the latest in a venue where it can be tested without starting a war of their own. They will discover once again, time to go back to the drawing board in failure. We and the Israeli's have been battling the Russian arms industry for decades, and remain victorious.

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