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Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi famously said about early Republican complaints about Democratic tactics and politics, “Elections count!”  Some of those same Republicans still complain today about “dirty tricks” by the Democrats, yet they should keep this in mind, as they continue bellyaching about IRS scandals and supposed abridgment of freedom of the press in regards to Fox News, that Americans have never liked winers.  Elections Count!  What the new toughness on the part of the mainstream of Democratic party now says - both at the executive level and in congress in response to the howls by conservatives, is that furthermore the next election is three years away - so be wary.  Can you really afford three years of IRS litigation?  Can your company be sure that it has not violated any federal statute? This, my friends, is the New Way, the progressive way, the Winning way, baby - get used to it!  

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  •  Sally - I am confused by your diary (0+ / 0-)

    particularly your reference to the IRS and Republicans. What do you mean?

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 02:13:57 PM PDT

    •  Hi! The IRS is under the Executive branch, (0+ / 0-)

      which is controlled by the Democratic party.  Until now, too many democrats have played dead to the Republican intimidation -"Shame on you, you Bully!"  But as Nancy Pelosi said, "Elections Count", and the result of this particular election is that the Democratic party is in charge, and this is the way things work for now.  Politics is a contact sport, Americans don't like whiners.  When the Republicans were in power, they did much worse, but the Democrats dealt with it as the political process which it is.  Progressives need to be less fearful of their own shadows.  If conservatives are afraid to contribute to the causes that they support, all the better!  That is the message that I see being conveyed today, and I agree with it wholeheartedly.  

      •  Sally - the IRS can't be used as a political (1+ / 0-)
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        weapon. After Nixon resigned, and it was disclosed that he used the IRS to target political enemies, a series of very detailed laws, with very harsh penalties, were passed by Congress prohibiting members of the Executive and Legislative branch from communicating with IRS employees, except in a very controlled fashion. Even the President can't access any IRS records or ask anyone to review any individual or organization. All executive office inquiries must flow through the Secretary of the Treasury. The same is true for members of Congress. Members of Congress can write to the IRS Commissioner as long as the documents are public. The intent of the post-Nixon legislation was to be certain that the IRS would never again even have a hint of being an agency influenced by politics, directly or indirectly. That's why Democrats, starting with the President, have come down like a ton of bricks on the IRS regarding the Tea Party/501 c 4 issue.

        I saw on CSPAN this morning one of the Ways and Means hearings on the IRS issue. One of the most damning remarks were by the ranking Democrat, Sander Levin, who committed to finding out every person who was involved in the Tea Party/501 issue and clean house. You may see some criminal indictments.

        The IRS must be like Caesar's wife, there cannot be even a suspicion that politics play any role in its activities.

        So while elections have consequences one place where they can't have consequences is the IRS or we could see people in federal prison.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 03:28:14 PM PDT

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        •  And the assumption underlying this diary... (0+ / 0-)

          ....furthers the Republicrooks' meme they're selling to the general public, that the Prez and his cronies are manipulating the IRS for political gain....

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 03:54:29 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think the President would have tolerated (0+ / 0-)

            for one second what was happening at the IRS. However, it will be interesting when everyone who touched the "Tea Party" issue is identified and put under oath, what we will learn. We may see some criminal indictments.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 07:12:17 PM PDT

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          •  Not for Political gain (0+ / 0-)

            but for a more equitable society.  As Julian Bond said, after all, the Tea Party is "overtly racist", so are the American people to give tax free status to a group such as that?  All the other groups too are discriminatory (sexists, for example) in one way or another.  If the president approved these actions, and I am not saying that he did, I certainly would not hold it against him - as I said, he would be in the right to do so!

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