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Just in case there are any F**king Idiots left out there after OPOL's AWESOME DAMN DIARY, I'm going to link you to an interview - conducted just this past Monday, June 10, 2013 - with some guy you've probably never heard of.  But he's important.  And his name is Thomas Drake.

He has his own Wikipedia Entry, this Drake fellow.  The intro to it is here:

Thomas Andrews Drake (born 1957) is a former senior executive of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and a decorated United States Air Force and United States Navy veteran. He has experience with computer software, linguistics, management, and leadership. He is also a whistleblower. In 2010 the government alleged that Drake 'mishandled' documents, one of the few such Espionage Act cases in U.S. history. Drake's defenders claim that he was instead being persecuted for challenging the Trailblazer Project. He is the 2011 recipient of the Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling and co-recipient of the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence (SAAII) award.

On June 9, 2011, all 10 original charges against him were dropped. Drake rejected several deals because he refused to "plea bargain with the truth". He eventually pled to one misdemeanor count for exceeding authorized use of a computer; Jesselyn Radack of the Government Accountability Project, who helped represent him, called it an act of "civil disobedience."

And for those of you who haven't been watching, Jesselyn Radack is one of us.  Actually, she's a damn good example of one of us.

So now that you have some idea who this "Drake" fellow is, look below the KosSpaghetti for the link to the Reuters interview with him.  Then click it.  Then watch it.  Then decide which side of this you're going to be on for the rest of our collective lives.

Watch this 5-minute, 49-second interview with Thomas Drake.

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I'm serious!  Watch the thing!

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If you don't watch it, OPOL was right about you.

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  •  Fuck the NSA (17+ / 0-)

    Which do you want - freedom or safety?  You CAN have both - if you're willing to fight the NSA for them!

    Celtic Merlin
    Carlinist

    Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

    by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:30:34 AM PDT

  •  Tsk tsk now you have upset your personal (9+ / 0-)

    NSA monitor

    I sent mine milk and cookies, pays to keep them happy and sleepy [just a drop of laudanum no harm done eh?]

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:57:05 AM PDT

  •  How are the Drake and Snowden cases related? (2+ / 0-)
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    Wisper, alain2112

    Seems like apples and oranges. Drake revealed incompetence and waste at the NSA and was unfairly persecuted for it. While Snowden was someone who disagreed with a legal program, committed a crime and decided to lecture the world about freedom from communist China.

  •  Drake adds clarity to the discussion about the NSA (8+ / 0-)

    And he calls Snowden a whistleblower.

    He says, because 9/11 was a failure of the intelligence system we have to give up our freedom.

    He uses terms like intelligence Leviathan, Stasi, surveillance state.

    We need to listen to people like Drake.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:21:55 AM PDT

    •  Just because real whistleblowers like Drake and (1+ / 0-)
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      Roger Fox

      Ellsburg say Snowden is one doesn't make it so.

      Frankly I'm getting sick of people like Ellsburg. Yes, he was courageous and did the country a great service some 40 years ago but that doesn't make him omniscient in these matters.

      •  Whistleblowers recognize each other. (3+ / 0-)
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        Shockwave, Roger Fox, ybruti

        Drake, Ellsburg, and Binney call Snowden one of their own.  I have more faith in that group of men defining the members of their club than in you trying to foist more talking points upon folks.

        Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

        Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

        by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:42:49 AM PDT

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        •  Just like great NBA players (1+ / 0-)
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          Celtic Merlin

          Who you going to listen too, some guy with a handful of championships, or some guy who played in college, didnt make the NBA and plays in China? IF your asking who the top 50 players in NBA history are.......

          SO Ellsburg is that retired all-star NBA player commenting on who the great players of today are...

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:43:57 PM PDT

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          •  Truth told (0+ / 0-)

            which is why, I think we can all agree, that we don't listen to SHIT Obama has to say about Military Policy when we have experienced heroes like John McCain around that have been there and can tell us all what needs to be done.

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 02:27:13 PM PDT

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  •  This Meme (3+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, Wisper, alain2112

    I suppose this "Agree With X Or You're a F*cking Idiot" meme is supposed to be humorous, and I suppose it's even more so if you have a longstanding relationship with a large number of other Kossacks. But as a relative noob who reads more than she posts, I have to tell you, I am getting worn out with being called a f*cking idiot by one side or the other.

    One cat away from crazy.

    by IamGumby on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:28:25 AM PDT

    •  You didn't watch, did you? [N/T] (1+ / 0-)
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      Roger Fox

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:20:20 AM PDT

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    •  It doesnt get better (1+ / 0-)
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      alain2112

      this will blow over when the next issue du jour comes up but until then, there will be a lot of shit like this diary flying around.

      We're you here a little while back when Chained-CPI was ending the world as we knew it and half this site were complete traitors and closet republicans that enjoyed watching old people starve to death?

      Welcome to Daily Kos.  We're awesome in election seasons, but we're kind of a bunch of dicks on any remotely controversial policy issue.  We don't do disagreement well.  At all.

      Dont fall for the trap of needing to read everything.  Choose wisely and there is a lot of cool stuff here.  Clicking everything on the recent list brings you into stuff like this......

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:43:50 PM PDT

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      •  2 blogathons: SSD & Grandbargain (0+ / 0-)

        put Chained CPI on the rec list. And garnered 10's of thousands of signatures on petitions thru direct appeals and social media appeals.

        And your problem is?

        .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:38:27 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you, Celtic Merlin. (5+ / 0-)

    I'll repost the link.

    Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:31:42 AM PDT

  •  yeah. they really kept those people in Boston safe (4+ / 0-)

    If they weren't so preoccupied with tracking what Aunt Mary had for dinner, what I bought from Amazon, and what the little old Quaker lady said at her anti-war demonstration, maybe they could hear it when a foreign government informs them that a guy is unstable and quite possibly bad news.

    You know, police work. Like we used to have.

    Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:33:38 AM PDT

    •  Boston? They NEEDED Boston! (0+ / 0-)

      What better way to justify the Leviathan than to have yet another attack?

      Warned?  Oh, they have all manner of excuses reasons why that warning went unheeded.  Besides, police work is messy . . . and hard.  Listening to me discuss a marinara recipe with my mother is SO much easier!

      Celtic Merlin
      Carlinist

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:24:58 AM PDT

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      •  So now you think the Govenerment (1+ / 0-)
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        alain2112

        either planned Boston or deliberately let it happen?

        I don't think you actually meant that, right?

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:12:57 PM PDT

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        •  Don't put words in my mouth, asshole. (1+ / 0-)
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          SouthernLiberalinMD

          I said that the NSA needed the Boston attack, not that they caused it or that they knew who, when, and where beforehand.  YOU are the only one making that assertion.

          The intelligence community ADMITS that they ignored a warning about at least one of the brothers - there is no question about that.  I found their reasons for doing so to be very weak tea.

          I'm pointing our failures and justifications.  You are being a dick in here.  Cease and desist.

          Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

          by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:24:52 PM PDT

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          •  ok (1+ / 0-)
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            alain2112

            a) STFU with the cease and desist ass-hattery.  Its a public blog jackass.  When I create an account on Daily Celtic Merlin I'll look to you for guidance on what I can and cant do.

            b) That is why I ASKED THE FUCKING QUESTION.  Because when you say "they NEEDED" it to happen to justify themselves it sounded a bit creepy but I wanted to actually ASK before assuming you were a conspiracy theorist.  

            For fuck's sake... apparently "being a dick here" is god damned requirement for this diary.

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:29:09 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah,building huge haystacks (2+ / 0-)

      everywhere makes throwing a needle into it more,not less,likely.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:28:03 AM PDT

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    •  That's bullcrap and you know it. (0+ / 0-)

      You know damn well they don't listen to you talking to your Aunt Mary and what not.

      Come back to the reality based community.

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 03:18:05 PM PDT

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      •  Nah, they just collect meta-data on me (0+ / 0-)

        talking to my Aunt Mary. Apparently that's really really important, enough to sink a ton of money into it.

        It would be nice if they pulled their heads out of their authoritarian asses long enough to do some actual police work, instead of treating the whole population like we're criminals who need to be watched.

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 04:11:12 PM PDT

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  •  Care to mention (0+ / 0-)

    that Drake made one of the prerequisites for talking to the Baltimore Sun reporter that he would not discuss, disclose or leak ANY classified material because of the oath he took regarding his clearance?

    Any coincidence that he took that stance and is a free man today and that Manning and Snowden took a different stance and one is already in jail and the other is hoping like hell he's not extradited from Hong Kong?

    Or that Drake's main thrust of argument was about the waste and fraud in the implementation of Trailblazer over ThinThread as the program to use to collect data.

    Turns out he was was right and the NSA was wasting billions of dollars and the NSA was reigned from self-authorizing any projects over a certain size until outside agencies could evaluate them.

    Had they chosen Trailblazer, as Drake recommended, how many whistles would he even have blown?

    I dont think Drake to Manning or Drake to Snowden are quite apples-to-apples comparisons

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:54:37 AM PDT

    •  Correction (0+ / 0-)
      Had they chosen TrailblazerThinThread, as Drake recommended,
      Sorry... mistyped the wrong program name

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:12:16 AM PDT

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    •  Watch the vid before you shoot your mouth off (0+ / 0-)

      . . . again.

      Drake is speaking ABOUT Snowden and the NSA.  Nobody is comparing the two men or contrasting them.  IF you had bothered to watch the vid, you'd have known that before you typed this comment which is wholly unrelated to the video presented herein.

      F**king . . .

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:29:41 AM PDT

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  •  Ive seen plenty of Drake... hes done his TV rounds (2+ / 0-)
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    GoGoGoEverton, alain2112

    I know his story.. Ive heard his take on this scandal.  Not my point....

    You started this with "fucking idiots" and "IN the spirit of OPOL" you copy Drake's wiki paragraph about how his charges were dropped and feel-good maxims about "plea bargaining with the truth".

    Drake's case has nothing in common with anything currently going on.  Drake was FINE with NSA data collecting, he just thought ThinThread was a better, cheaper system that could manage the information more granularly with less over-reach and more monitoring.

    And, according to others that looked into it including the NSA director he was right.

    Drake was smart enough to keep classified material to himself.  Snowden will go to jail or hide in an embassy somewhere trading postcards with Julian Assange.  

    Drake and Radack both thing Manning is a great guy too.  When is his next sentencing hearing for the other dozen charges he's going away for btw?  I lost track after he plead guilty to the first 10.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:39:34 AM PDT

    •  You didn't watch. I can tell. [N/T] (0+ / 0-)

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:51:53 AM PDT

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      •  dafuq? (1+ / 0-)
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        alain2112

        Is this like Bob Johnson humor or something?

        Yes Drake thinks hes a whistleblower.. but the government will call him a traitor.  Drake thinks (in his opinion) that security in the post 9/11 world violates the Constitution.

        All the buzzwords... kabuki theater... veneer of legality.... collusion with Congress.... underpinnings of Democracy.. obligatory reference to Franklin's quote.... over-reach comparison to Stasi.....

        Im not surprised.  Drake defends Manning as well.  I knew Drake and Radack would side with Snowden before I read anything about this scandal.  Yeah.. water is also wet.

        Drake is a very sincere guy and a veteran.  I've no doubt he believes absolutely everything he says.  He was also cleared of all but one charge of which he was accused.  

        But again, his personal case is very different from what were seeing in the headlines today.

        What's your point?

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:01:38 PM PDT

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        •  Finally, you watched. (0+ / 0-)

          Drake, Ellsburg, and Binney - whistle-blowers all - include Snowden in their club.  Drake's "case" need not parallel Snowden's in any way for these men to be of the same stripe.

          That you wish to exclude Snowden from this group by splitting the hair of who did what when and with what information is of no consequence because you are obviously having to dig deep into the minutia of each man's particulars in order to find something to cry about.

          Whistle-blowers recognize each other by their actions and by their intent and they include each other in their numbers with FAR more authority than you have power to detract from them.

          That you "miss the point" here is no great surprise and I'm not wasting any more time trying to put a point on your willful obtuseness.

          Good Day, Sir!

          Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

          by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:18:24 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think any of the 'whistleblowers' (3+ / 0-)
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    Wisper, alain2112, IamGumby

    that have been grouped here are the same, and I don't think leading with the 'f*cking idots' meme helps at all.

    There were loud yelps and complaints when some of these same tactics were used, with less aggressive language, to push people into line prior to the 2012 election. And OPOL has posted a very humble and mature diary that expresses regret for some of the verbal aggression since before you posted this.

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:51:41 AM PDT

    •  Your opinion will be given . . . (0+ / 0-)

      . . . all the weight it so richly deserves.  I've encountered you before and have found you lacking every time.

      I see that yet again, you have posted a comment which has NOTHING to do with the information and video presented in the diary.  It is all meta and no relevant substance.  You certainly didn't watch the video presented.  Had you done so, you would not have commented as you have done so here.

      Please do not be a dick again in this diary.  Reporting you for that rules violation would be a distinct pleasure.

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:06:10 PM PDT

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      •  Its a simple interview (2+ / 0-)
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        GoGoGoEverton, alain2112

        its not a magic wand.

        Why would you think GGGE (or me) hasn't watched it?  There is no bombshell in there.  Its the same opinions Drake has publicly stated in any number of media appearances.  The man is very consistent.

        The only thing new is the beginning part where he makes it clear that he think Snowden is a whistle-blower and not a traitor.  Everything else I have heard him say many times, often in the same words.

        Why do you keep assuming that anyone that disagrees with you must not have clicked on your all-powerful link?  I don't understand.  

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:11:39 PM PDT

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    •  I dont think anything humle or mature (0+ / 0-)

      is coming out of this one.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:09:12 PM PDT

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      •  Not sure where he/she got this: (1+ / 0-)
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        alain2112
        I see that yet again, you have posted a comment which has NOTHING to do with the information and video presented in the diary.
        I'd say the below, which is the first line in the diary, counts for evaluation and certainly qualifies as meta:
        Just in case there are any F*king Idiots left out there after OPOL's AWESOME DAMN DIARY,
        Or this link's name:
        If you don't watch it, OPOL was right about you.
        which obviously refers to
        Just in case there are any F*king Idiots
        But in any case, I shall leave the diary per the diarist's polite request.

        I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

        by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:27:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

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