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I've been watching the circus surrounding Paula Deen.  What is with you American people?

Men (and women) can rape and pillage the American people by stealing their money and ruining the economy and nothing happens to them. Corporations can ruin the environment and poison our fish and they go unpunished.  But someone says a debatably inappropriate word in who knows what context and the entire wrath of the media and the scorn of loud America comes down on them.

So Paula Deen used the N-word.  Big deal.  I can turn on BET every night and here it 100 times an hour.  And people laugh.  I can walk down some neighbourhoods and hear people calling each other the N-word as if it's a term of endearment.  Nothing wrong there.

What I am seeing in this controversy is a proverbial stick with which a certain segment of the population gets to continually bash another segment of the population.  It's now 2013.  It's time that Black America and those who sympathize with it move on.  Let's focus more on the poverty and high incarceration rates that plague that demographic; a population more defined by economic conditions than racial ones.

So Paula Deen used the N-word in the past. Well, from what I've read, she's a Democrat with some very powerful Black friends (Celebrities' Political Affiliations - Paula Deen (Democrat)).  She's a chef for Pete's sake...let her cook.  I think the public outcry is overblown.  Move on America.

For those who can't access the link above, this it the text:

US Weekly - Celebrities' Political Affiliations

Paula Deen (Democrat)

The Food Network star campaigned for Obama back in 2008, and invited his wife Michelle to cook with her during an episode of Paula's Party. Later, she said she "just loved" being around the First Lady, and praised her platform: encouraging kids and young adults to eat healthy and get plenty of exercise.

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  •  It's actually better for all of America (13+ / 0-)

    if she keeps her particular style of cooking to herself.
    There are rebuttals to the rest of your diary but I'll leave that to the pros.

  •  You're Out of Date (9+ / 0-)

    She's been let go by the network.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 06:36:43 AM PDT

  •  Ugh. (10+ / 0-)

    Pollution of the cultural atmosphere is as toxic as pollution of our rivers, lands and air. In fact, the kind of pollution and attitudes displayed by Deen exemplify the attitudes of TPTB that feel no guilt in destroying our world.

    Might be time for you to join us in the 21st C.

  •  hahahahahahaha!!!! (8+ / 0-)

    Not much to do on a beautiful Saturday morning?  What an idiotic post.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 06:43:58 AM PDT

  •  I had no idea who Paula Deen was until yesterday (1+ / 0-)
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    If I hadn't listened to Randi Rhodes, I wouldn't have known who she was until I read this article.

    Now, why do I keep seeing pictures of the Kardashians in the newspapers?

  •  You don't get a pass on racist behaviour simply (12+ / 0-)

    because you're a Dem.  And the world would be a better place if Republicans thought likewise.

  •  one debatably inappropriate word? (16+ / 0-)

    Really? You think that's all that Paula Deen did?

    This is more than just about the "n" word.

    Based on all available information to me, she did more than use "one debatably inappropriate word" once. She used it in the past and, in her legal deposition, helped perpetuate the pernicious notion that that's acceptable.

    She is a leading star in food television circles and, as such, has a responsibility to the public. And that means she has a responsibility to treat ALL segments of our population with at least a modicum of respect.

    As to your larger point...whether this is worse than the blatant economic injustice going on in our society...well...it obviously is not.

    However, you don't ignore one problem simply because there are other problems.

    Paula Deen's behavior and action exposed a lot about the continuing enabling and perpetuation of racism in our society. That is no small thing.

    A mature society can address multiple problems simultaneously. In fact, the argument could be made that relatively small seeming problems like this one can and should be dealt with quickly...lest they become or contribute to even greater problems later on.

    •  I'm glad she got fired (4+ / 0-)
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      Racists don't deserve to have employment.

      •  I haven't paid much attention to this "story" (2+ / 0-)
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        so I don't know when it was that she used the "N word."  Was it last week?  or was it 30 years ago?

        Cause I have a few relatives in South Carolina, and if using the n word at any point in your life renders you unfit for employment, there aren't many Caucasians in the South who would be to get a job.

        El Camino Man, only you would understand Help me if you can, cuz you're an El Camino Man

        by Keith930 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:13:07 AM PDT

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        •  Mark Fuhrman also used the N word (1+ / 0-)
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          And he was rightfully fired as well for it.  He was reading a script for a racist propaganda movie.

          Racists don't deserve sympathy or forgiveness.

          •  she said she used it years ago before FOod Network (0+ / 0-)

            I thought.

            If you hear or read her deposition, it is notable for a lack of regret, remorse, acknowledgement at what it means how hurtful it is the pain it conjures...

            She said all those "right" things after the uproar called her on it. But she didn't initially, she was fine with it seemingly but did say something like that' s how we talked back then.

            It was one of a number of things (HOW mattering a lot) I had thought that lead overall to her dismissal.

            If she had said "Unfortunately, I have. It was many years ago and in the South where at that time it was more culturaly acceptable. I really regret it because I realize now that even saying the word perpetuates the normativeness of its usage and that word is very disrespectful and hurtful. I would never use that word now and havent for decades.

            Or something.

            It's wrong to get fired only because you used the N word decades before you were hired in the context she used it in (she was relating someone elses story iirc). It doesn't accept reality that Southerners in their sixties or older lived in a codified, legally racist society many years ago so when in that society and soon after they may have used the N word. They would have to, in explaining publically, show that they understand why they used it and why its wrong and show regret and remorse fromt the getgo

        •  Wow (9+ / 0-)

          That is interesting.

          My own view is you can be any kind of bigot you want to be and still be fit for a job, provided you are never, ever that kind of bigot at work, whether as an employer or employee.  In which case, the door (or a lawsuit) should be at the end of a greased chute.  

          My understanding is that she did this as an employer, and made the work conditions intolerable.  Since she's a very public figure, a mini-industry of her own, and since she handled it very, very badly, tough cookies.  She was selling herself, and she messed up the brand.  

          ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

          by jessical on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:24:03 AM PDT

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        •  I've got news for you (4+ / 0-)
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          I grew up in Massachusetts in the 60's-70's...I don't think I know a single person who never used that word, or a million other racial epithets aimed at blacks, Hispanics, Italians, Canadians, Irish and on and on and on.

          It was a different world then. You heard that word in movies.

          Deen is an anachronism. She doesn't even realize that she's a racist (in that she sees skin color as a defining feature - probably not even maliciously). That's the sad part, but also the illustrative part.

          •  Maybe not maliciously, but definitely as (0+ / 0-)

            stereotyping the "correct" place in society for black people, and that correct place is not on the plane as the correct place for whites.  It's subservient.  If she doesn't realize that, it's because she's never really thought about it.  I don't care how many times she's hosted Michelle Obama.  

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 01:46:07 PM PDT

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          •  hmmm..I grew up in MA in 60s and 70s But never (0+ / 0-)

            ever heard that word until I was in college and went to FL during spring break. I might be younger than you though...born mid 60s so I don't remember them.

            I am not kidding. No person I knew EVER used that word**

            Don't let people just jump on the already (for some legit reasons) existing bandwagon of "well Boston is a racist city " so of course you heard the N word all of the time

            **there you go. I take it back. The Boston Police officer (Irish American) who lived across the street from us used that word once when he was drinking. My parents were infuriated and condemning between themselves about that (and that he was drunk, they said).  I remember having to ask why the N word was so bad, or what it meant. I admit that he took Boston Police Officers down a notch for me as a child-I'd been raised to respect Police Officers.

            Lots of ethinic splits in our town but I never heard conversation or slurs except that one time. I wasn't in school yet so I was under five and it made a deep impression. I'd know if I heard the N word again as a kid

            I grew up in a mixed ethnicity (about 20% African American but not my immediate neighborhood) town in the immediate suburbs of Boston. Our neighborhood was working class but it was definetely suburbs (people who moved out of the city first generation).

            Our whole country might have changed right around the time my memories start, around how we talk about other's race and ethnicity.

        •  Not true (0+ / 0-)

          I'm a transplant to the south, but I've been here over a decade.

          I can personally attest to the fact that there are a whole lot of Caucasians in the South who never used the "n" word.

          Broadbrushing, no?

          Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

          by NCJan on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 02:37:10 PM PDT

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        •  in the depositon how she described using it (0+ / 0-)

          had no regret, not statement of sorrow or acknowledgement that it was wrong even with being a product of the times.

          It was years ago, quite a while ago. It was how she explained it, no acknowledgement that now it is a very hurtful and disrespectful word. That came after the outcry but not initially when she explained.

    •  You make sense (0+ / 0-)

      That latter part of your comment makes sense.  I agree that solving the small problems enables us to tackle the larger ones.

      But this Paula Deen thing is being totally overblown.  The kids chant "Sticks and stones may break my bones..." comes to mind.

      •  "Sticks and stones may break my bones (7+ / 0-)

        but words will never hurt me" is a lie from the pit of Hell. And I don't believe in Hell.

        Maya Angelou had it better:

        "People will forget what you said. People will forget what you did. But people will never forget how you made them feel."

        liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

        by RockyMtnLib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:43:37 AM PDT

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        •  my mother told me that when I was bullied by (0+ / 0-)

          neighborhood kids and then in school. I remember being quite young and thinkng just as you post here...it was a freaking lie.
          Unfortunately I also thought at the time that my mother was clueless and didnt get how it really did hurt and that she wasnt someone I could turn to to help figure out what to do.

    •  The term for this (3+ / 0-)
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      As to your larger point...whether this is worse than the blatant economic injustice going on in our society...well...it obviously is not.

      However, you don't ignore one problem simply because there are other problems.

      is red herring. Reminds me of people who wanted to play down what Michael Vick and his associates did to those pit bulls:

      "But, but, there are so many worse crimes being committed - why focus so much on this one?"

      liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

      by RockyMtnLib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:40:11 AM PDT

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  •  We may have to have bigots on tv, (3+ / 0-)

    but we don't have to like it. Nothing debatable about that.

    (For the record: I'm against bigots on tv. Let them gather together and entertain themselves in private...oh wait...)

  •  Hmmm (2+ / 0-)
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    Since I think this was sincere, I'll try not to do the popcorn and open thread thing...however tempting.

    But I might suggest that exaggerated media frenzies about the racism of public figures is exactly what you would expect in a society where racism is everywhere but no longer discussed.  In America it is perfectly OK to be a complete racist -- indeed, expected -- provided you never say it, or do anything to expose this vast shared lie.  There is a lot of human misery to be seen after acknowledging it is a social problem, so we don't do that.  We would have to confront our prisons, our policing, our own attitudes, the makeup of our schools and the structure of our corporations.  And worst of all, ourselves and our friends.  Instead we punish proxies who are dumb enough to express it in public, using a narrow rubric.

    I think this might have been kind of what you were trying to get at, but unfortunately it didn't read like that.

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:18:19 AM PDT

  •  hostile, bullying, actionable and illegal (8+ / 0-)

    I'm spending time with relatives, some of whom are lawyers, some of whom are of the Black persuasion. Here's their perspective-
    Paula Deen is being sued in court for allowing her brother, as manager, to do things that women fought for decades to make illegal. Pornography in the workplace, physical intimidation-- and yes, racist language included.
    If she had settled out of court this could have been kept quiet, but now it's on the record.
    And actually, there are some words that carry a threat and should not be used, and people of all colors who have the sense to watch their mouth.

  •  I don't know what your skin color is (10+ / 0-)

    or your background, but a diary like this justifies white privilege and papers over racism in so many ways it's just disgusting.

    "She has powerful black friends".

    "Black folks use the 'n' word all of the time".

    "Get over it".

    Fuck that! I will never, ever get over that. And I'm a white male.

    Debatably inappropriate? No! Clearly inappropriate to anyone who has any sense of perspective and empathy.

    liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

    by RockyMtnLib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:13:19 AM PDT

  •  "I'm not a racist, (3+ / 0-)
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    I have black friends".

    Right, never heard that one before.

    Sigh.

    "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

    by just another vet on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:36:40 AM PDT

  •  u get over it! a racist got fired...America is (7+ / 0-)

    Better for it.

  •  The mighty Dollar spoke, this is more than the (0+ / 0-)

    N-word. It is a distraction to try to reduce it to that. I don't much care about the N-word or use of possibly demeaning stereotypes either, but it tells us a lot about those who use them. That is the sad and heartbreaking thing about this sweet looking woman. The obliviousness of the person is what are finding outrageous, not the use of the N-word.

    "Aux ames bien nees, la valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees" Pierre Corneille.

    by Patate on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 12:56:18 PM PDT

  •  the n word (1+ / 0-)
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    i agree that it's kind of pathetic that deen lost her job over this, and it speaks to how much of our economy is so dependent on non-productive marketing that forces you to be ever vigilant on artificial niceties and makes you inherently expendable the first time you deviate from them. for example, i found what happened to chad johnson this week to be much more racist than anything that paula deen ever did, and people aren't even criticizing the judge really. this is a great hypocrisy in our culture, and seems ludicrous to the south park generation.

    however, you need to be educated on the n-word. it was considered offensive. by southerners. in civil war times. i recently read the diary of edmund ruffin, the most hardass brass balls secessionist ever to walk the face of dixie. in sundry ways, he was personally responsible for secession. he fired the first shot at sumter. he moved to south carolina because virginia didn't secede fast enough. when the north won the war, he killed himself by shooting himself in the mouth. twice. his diary is 4100 pages long and comes in three thick volumes. in the entire manuscript, he used the n-word once, in criticizing those who referred to lincoln's first vice president as "n*** hamlin" because he was swarthy in skin tone and an abolitionist.

    that guy was offended by the n-word.

    •  Point taken...but (0+ / 0-)

      I get the history.  And I get the negative connotation.  I don't mean to say that it's okay to use the word.  It's just that everyone goes berserk when only certain people use it.  The Paula Deen story was the top story on almost every news cast yesterday.  Also, like I said, I can turn on to a multiple of channels and can hear the word being used.

  •  Get it: Paula Deen using the word is light years (2+ / 0-)
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    different from black people using it.

    And sorry folks, the "prejudice" of black people is qualitatively different from the "prejudice" of white people.

    Especially those with Paula Dean's gruesome heritage.

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 04:26:34 PM PDT

  •  Amazing (0+ / 0-)

    Absolutely amazing that so many white people here feel safe posting crap like this. Even gets a damn rec. This site has gotten so damn disgusting.

    Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

    by moviemeister76 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:46:02 PM PDT

    •  1 diary and 1 rec is "so many"? n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 02:44:53 AM PDT

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      •  If it were just one you might have a point (0+ / 0-)

        But the uptick in racist garbage here recently is really starting to grate on me. The only way stuff like this gets posted as regularly as it has been is if enough people feel like they have an audience for it.

        Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

        by moviemeister76 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 04:00:27 AM PDT

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  •  I don't get how many people (1+ / 0-)
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    don't understand that it is not that she said what she said or when she said it.   What she did wrong was stick to it.  Be stubborn with the apology.  Defiant.  And that's just not good for business to be associated with someone who can come off in such an uncaring almost flippant way. All she needed was a sincere public apology whether she meant it or not.  Instead she chose to believe otherwise. That she didn't know better.  I bet she knows now.  Her insensitivity, Not good for business.

    God is good. If it isn't good. It isn't God.

    by publicv on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:30:57 PM PDT

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