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Last week, while I was at an anime convention with my husband, I received the telephone call I'd been waiting for for days.  I'd been tentatively offered a position with the company that I'd applied to work for almost a month ago.  They were offering me my dream job, spitting distance from my house, for $2000 more a year than I'd asked for.

All contingent, of course, upon successful completion of a drug test and background check.

I'm a goodie-goodie two shoes.  A wild night for me involves grabbing one too many beers, having a friend drive me home, and passing out in bed.  I can't smoke anything nor can I stand to be around anyone smoking anything stronger than a hookah with flavored tobacco.  I don't even have as much as a speeding ticket to my name.

So why am I so nervous?

My husband went out on a brief analyst limb and says I'm freaking out because this job opportunity (and the pay) are both so good that I feel I don't actually deserve it.  I'm not sure that's the case.  I have self confidence in spades (getting told you're gifted as a child helps a bit in that respect) and this is exactly the position my recently completed master's degree has trained me to do.  I'm excited because the company is good and the job is fantastic.

I think my nervousness stems precisely because I am a goodie-goodie two shoes.  I was the kid who never broke the rules.  I never got detention in high school, and my school was famous for handing out detentions like candy.  When I got into trouble due to credit card debt as a young adult, I sought help and diligently paid off every penny - and have lived a nearly pure cash existence ever since. I go to the doctor every year, and I allowed the dentist to perform over a dozen root canals and crown treatments over the years because she said it needed to be done and I trusted her.  I haven't downloaded an MP3 in years, aside from freely available podcasts.  I tip whenever I am expected to.  I drive the speed limit and always turn on my turn signal. I report spamming Facebook accounts. I feel guilty any time I call out sick from work.

I'm taking this final background check and drug test as a judgement of my personal morals and character.  There no reason for me not to pass the drug check, but what if I said something wrong, such as mentioning I'd drunk a lot of water before going? (Nothing worse than being asked to pee in a cup and being too wound up to pee at all for an hour.)  What if my previous employers, all of whom swear I'm eligible for rehire, suddenly decide they didn't like me at all?

I'm going to be nervous and anxious and terrified until these final two hurdles have passed, simply because I will never get another opportunity this close to home, that pays this well, ever again.

If these last two steps, this judgement of my fiscal, ethical, and physical character somehow fall through, I don't think I'm ever going to recovery from the devastation.

How much power our employers have over us!

Originally posted to catwho on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:23 PM PDT.

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  •  They are certainly intrusive. I have taken (17+ / 0-)

    blood/pee tests a couple of times from employers.  I had nothing to fear as I last tried drugs (never really did them) more than 31 years ago when I was in College), but I still raised my objection with the personnel person handling this and told them how intrusive it is plus the fact that I think that in the end people that are not trusted are likely to be less motivated employees.  Ironically, now that I work for myself - and don't require this BS from my (very few) employees - I have a customer that makes me sign a contract that I will have one and my employees working on their projects will have one.  I have yet to do it and there is so much paperwork that I have not been asked to present the results in over 10-years I have been working for them.

    But I digress, good luck with this new job.  I hope it turns out to be all that you hope for and more.

    •  Thank you (7+ / 0-)

      I don't even mind the intrusiveness of it.  My last job made me agree that I could be subject to a drug test at any time, but they never followed through - and I wound up doing shots with the boss in his office with other coworkers after particularly harrowing projects.  

      This company has a lot of employees operating heavy machinery, so even though I'll be snug in an office, they subject all employees to mandatory and random drug testing.

      I'm just so terrified something is going to go wrong that I'm on pins and needles!

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:54:08 PM PDT

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      •  Don't drink anything with tonic water, (7+ / 0-)

        eat poppy seeds, or take ibuprofen. Tonic water has quinine which is viewed as a potential "cut" in street drugs. Poppy seeds and ibuprofen give false positives for opiates and marijuana respectively.

        Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

        by kbman on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:53:05 AM PDT

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        •  Not saying you're wrong, but how on earth (0+ / 0-)

          is the test for marijuana (presumably, THC) so insensitive that it can't tell the difference between marijuana and ibuprofen? About the only thing they have in common is a benzene ring.

          We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

          by Samer on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 08:52:26 AM PDT

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          •  It is a matter of the type of testing. (1+ / 0-)
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            It was true back in the 90's that some things like poppy seeds or some over the counter drugs could provide a false positive. They used to ask what drugs you are taking and any over the counter supplements or drugs. I think the testing has gotten more precise so this could be less of an issue.

            •  The poppy seed thing still "works," unfortunately. (3+ / 0-)
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              This just happened. Short version: a woman ate a poppy seed bagel before giving birth, the hospital tested her blood for drugs, and they took away the baby because of the false positive. As the linked article notes, it didn't last-- they just settled, paying the woman $140,000-- but that was yesterday.

              •  This was certainly a case of over reach. (1+ / 0-)
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                I know a young woman that both her and her baby tested positive for THC (not something I condone) and the baby was not removed from the household. I understand the need to test the mother and baby after child birth for any conditions needing medical attention. There are so many babies born addicted to something that I understand the thought behind the practice.

    •  We Were At Bottom of Top 20% When These Things (6+ / 0-)

      knocked us off, during Clinton's later years.

      We've been below median income ever since, I had to go self employed with my Job of the Exodus technological era.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:13:24 PM PDT

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    •  Funny enough, I never got tested at the lower rung (5+ / 0-)

      This job will be paying twice in yearly salary what I've ever made.  No previous job has ever made me go through a drug test.  Background checks and credit checks, yes.  

      But the drug test is a first.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:21:38 PM PDT

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      •  And the question is (15+ / 0-)

        why the hell do they need to do a credit check for a job?

        What it ALL boils down to ideological purity tests. All the Facebook snooping, Twitter spying, drug testing, credit checking. It's giving the employer cover to deny jobs to the people they don't approve of. Since the days of equal opportunity and vicl rights, employers have been searching for ways to do the same of discriminatory things and get around common decency. This is just a way to pretend they are doing "due diligence" while seeking to deny jobs to the people they would have discriminated against in the good old days when Billy-Bob got to be Vice President because Uncle Fester was drinking buddies with the Mayor.

        Does anyone think that Sarah Palin was ever asked to pee in a cup to get her job at Fox?

        This is all about looking for ways to deny you a job if they don't LIKE you, not because you aren't qualified but didn't pass the test.

        •  A couple of possibilities re the credit check (4+ / 0-)

          Creditors or collection agencies might harass the employee at work, affecting productivity.

          The employer is concerned/worried/paranoid about the possibility of employee theft to pay debts.

          And, if those hypothetical debts might possibly be "drug debts", then there's further justification for the drug test (in the employer's eyes).

          My own view is that, if they're going to test anybody, they ought to test everybody, right up to the top of the company.

        •  Why do they need this? They don't. (2+ / 0-)
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          Nobody has shown any use for pre-employment credit checks. There are no correlations between bad credit and being a bad employee. No research of any sort supports the notion. This is just another bad idea that's spread through the business community, more "Who Moved My Cheese?"-style bull.

          They get away with it because there aren't any jobs out there. If the economy ever actually picks up again, they'll stop because there will actually be more competition for people than for jobs.

      •  The only job I had to have a drug test for... (2+ / 0-)
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        catwho, jfdunphy

        ...was for one in a brewery.

        I am not making this up.  

        9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

        by varro on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:05:37 PM PDT

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  •  I can pass any drug test. (16+ / 0-)

    Should you ever combine Indica and Sativa in one joint, and if so, how?
    How do you make a great Manhattan?
    How do you know how many mushrooms to buy if you are throwing a shroom party for four?

    I know it all.

    •  If You Don't Eat Poppy Seeds nt (2+ / 0-)
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      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:14:18 PM PDT

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    •  If you really need a recipe for a superb Manhattan (8+ / 0-)

      This is my fave (and I likes me a nice Manhattan done well):

      3/4 oz sweet Vermouth
      2-1/2 oz bourbon whiskey (purists will insist on rye)
      Dash of Angostura bitters (non-negotiable - have this in your bar)
      1 maraschino cherry
      1 twist orange peel

      Combine the vermouth, bourbon, and bitters with 2 to 3 ice cubes in a mixing glass.  Stir GENTLY, or you'll bruise the spirits and end up with a cloudy drink.  Place the cherry in a chilled martini glass, then strain the mix over the cherry (very important).  The cut edge of the orange peel should be rubbed on the rim of the glass and then twist it over the heavenly mixture to unbind the oils, but don't - again, important - drop it into the glass.

      Rinse, repeat, enjoy two or three times.  The world will be much brighter.

      "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

      by Richard Cranium on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:30:47 PM PDT

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  •  Drug tests are crap (17+ / 0-)

    But they make the testing companies rich. Any employer who can't tell a serious drug user in the interview is about as intuitive as a trashcan.

    Want to suss out a serious pothead? Put a plate of doughnuts on the interview table and count the number of times "dude" comes up in the conversation.

    As for the real drugs, the signs are obvious--needle marks, missing teeth, gutter-like odor, electric twitchiness, you name it.

    The drug most often abused is alcohol--but you can't refuse them a job for that (unless they show up drunk, then all bets are off).

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:06:39 PM PDT

    •  That'd be the only test I'd fail (4+ / 0-)

      I do like a good beer.  And a good glass of wine.  And a good cocktail.

      Thankfully the alcoholism that runs in my father's side of the family seems to have skipped me, and I can go without a drink indefinitely when needed, provided I have a steady supply of tea.  

      But what would I want to?

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:18:46 PM PDT

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    •  ...tests are crap but they make the testing (5+ / 0-)

      companies rich...hmmm sounds like the story of American Education, too, before we even get to the employment age.

      Meanwhile, I had an amusing afternoon once, watching some expensively dressed college students trying to decide which bottle of cleansing drink they should buy in order to pass a piss test in the next day or two. Eventually, the one who needed it settled on a bottle of orange stuff, 32 oz. for $36.00.  If they were gonna be that dumb, I had no problem watching them get separated from their money. It just amazed me that a college kid couldn't figure out to read the label and realize that to be clean he would have had to drink about 8 bottles of that stuff and wait longer than he had planned on. Not only that, the big thing was- if he had read the ingredients in the bottle, the only magic is time. The rest is generic gatorade.

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 04:08:13 AM PDT

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    •  Your right, it's all about making drug testing (1+ / 0-)
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      companies rich.  It's the reason for drug testing in the first place.  Making money for corporations.

  •  Sounds like you should be fine. (2+ / 0-)
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    nuclear winter solstice, catwho

    Just don't eat poppyseeds or 24 hours beforehand to be safe.

  •  Drug testing is only peripherally about "drugs". (26+ / 0-)

    Drug testing, at its core, is about authority & social rank. Why, when drug tests are so easily defeated, has the practice become so ubiquitous in the U.S.? Because it's a powerful weapon in the hands of corporations & employers. It's become a ritual of submission required for entry into almost any economic opportunity. It is the company saying "you will submit to our authority at all times, on or off the job, & you will have no secrets from us".

    As a practical matter, drug tests are next to useless in detecting anything but marijuana. Effectively, what is being tested is one's willingness to submit, to sublimate oneself to the greater good of corporate hierarchy & profits.

    A drug test is effectively a search of one's body. Always it is invasive, humiliating & degrading. With just about every drug-testing regime, a refusal to pee is treated exactly the same as a positive test. There is no presumption of innocence, no protection against forced self-incrimination, & no right to privacy. And in the U.S. it has become an accepted part of life.

    •  Couldn't agree more (10+ / 0-)

      There are certain safety critical positions where a test could be justified.

      The rest, not so much ... It is all about power and authority, and about as anti-freedom as you could get when employing someone.

      Nevertheless, I too congratulate the Diarist on the new job, and hope it is all she expects it to be.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:07:03 AM PDT

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    •  A Foucaultian analysis that! (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Even worse . . . (0+ / 0-)

      In the U.S. we seem to be moving from suspicionless employer-mandated drug testing to suspicionless government-mandated drug testing. Several states, including Florida, North Carolina & South Carolina, have attempted to require drug testing to qualify for unemployment or SNAP benefits. As bad as the situation has become with regard to private employers, it's a quantum leap for the government to require suspicionless drug tests to receive a benefit or service to which one is entitled or which one may need in order to function.

      Such proposals always draw applause from the public, at least a large segment of it. It plays well with the Republican Party's base, especially considering the racial stereotype that's involved. The logic seems to be that since we already have to submit to drug testing in order to get a job, or to qualify for worker's compensation, we might as well require it for unemployment or other government benefits as well. Or to put it another way, since we've been forced to surrender so much of our liberty & privacy already, we have no reason to complain about having to surrender a little bit more.

      So far, these state efforts have been enjoined by the courts, either on federalism or 4th amendment grounds. But once this reaches the Supreme Court, it's likely that the conservative majority will rule in favor. And once this precedent is sanctioned in law, there will no longer be any constitutional barrier to requiring drug tests for driver's licenses, professional licenses, college admission or any number of things as well.

      For a refusenik such as myself, that would effectively strip me of my ability to function as a self-supporting adult. On the matter of civil liberty in the U.S., the future is bleak.

  •  What drugs do they want you to test? n/t (3+ / 0-)

    Orly, it isn't evidence just because you downloaded it from the internet.

    by 6412093 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:30:30 PM PDT

  •  take it from another gifted child... (4+ / 0-) sound just like me, so relax, grab a beer (or two or three six-packs). Stop worrying. YOU WILL BE OK!

    Now you went and did it. You made me bring in MR. BIG-and get your mind out of the gutter and back on the sidewalk where it belongs!  Now write this down 200 times with a piece of dull chalk so it scratches when it goes across the chalkboard. Do it now!

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    "I could've been born Glenn Beck".
    "I could've been born Glenn Beck".

    And no cheating. I said 200 times!

    And I want that paper on my desk at the crack of noon! Now...

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    by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:35:50 PM PDT

  •  Eat nothing with poppy seeds in it... (1+ / 0-)
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    they can and have cause false positives for opiates.

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

    by SaraBeth on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 01:55:43 AM PDT

  •  you get used to it (5+ / 0-)

    I have taken more drug test than I can count and after about the 30th you dont even think about it any more.  

    Background checks are the same way.  The biggest issue for me is always trying to remember folks to put down as references.  We have to go back 7 years on each one with someone at every location you have lived.  Last time that was 11 places.

    Polygraphs are another story.  They are never comfortable and I always have "issues" due to a very strong lie response.  

    In any case, just remember that for 99% of the population background checks are really no issue.  If you are honest and complete in your answers you will be fine.  If you make a mistake or leave something out, say so.  

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 03:23:56 AM PDT

  •  if you are that big a goodie-goodie, then relax (4+ / 0-)
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    because you are the one who will be able to fight back if you have a false positive. In the same way that it took Carol Burnett to successfully sue the National Enquirer when they said she was drunk and disorderly in a public restaurant. Not being Lindsey Lohan, when Burnett said 'I don't behave that way and I can prove it, see you in court', the Enquirer lost.

    Now speaking for the rest of us who may not be so squeaky clean, let just say, this FOURTH of July, that automatic pre-employment drug testing is one of the first ways they ('scuse me I meant when we the people let them) broke the back of the FOURTH Amendment.

    There is no probable cause to ask a prospective employee if he goes to a prostitute which is also illegal. We do not make the job-seeker prove that he doesn't do something on the weekend that has nothing to do with the job he wants.

     There is no probable cause to ask a prospective employee if he drinks an 18-box of beer every night or a gallon of bourbon. It's not illegal but it may not be what the employer wants in an employee the next day.

    I don't have any problem at all with someone already employed who is behaving badly on the job being asked (now with probable cause) to go pee in a cup. But people-We need to take back the Fourth in so many ways.

    We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

    by nuclear winter solstice on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 03:55:49 AM PDT

  •  Well, I'm with MOJO.... (2+ / 0-)
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    "They want our piss, I think we oughtta send 'em some..."

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 04:58:52 AM PDT

  •  freedom is slavery (2+ / 0-)
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    they own you -G. Carlin

  •  congratulations! (2+ / 0-)
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    don't worry about the drug test- you're going to be ok.

    for almost 20 years I worked at a job where we were given pre employment, random, and post "incident/accident" alcohol and drug tests. I used to get pulled for random drug tests all the time.

    I never rat on my friends, and i'm not a gossip, so people used to confide in me quite a bit. one Wednesday they pulled a friend of mine for a random, and she was in a flat out panic because the Friday before she did cocaine with her husband. turned out she was fine.

    you're squeaky clean! it's going to be ok! please don't worry.

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 05:23:36 AM PDT

    •  reflections on both (3+ / 0-)

      I have a colorful past from the 60s, 70s and unfortunately an aftershock from the late 80s. Did some time for drug sales. Now I'm a well paid professional.

      I've survived several background checks since - they routinely only go back 7 years. Earlier records aren't digitized locally. But if it's a serious background check, they take fingerprints and they gotcha.

      Pot is the most testable substance (in urine) because it lingers and accumulates. One good pipe will linger 3 days. Smoke the next day and you get 3 more less one for the day passing; next day you're up to 7, or 3 + (days-1)*2, or 2n+1 - up to about a month of residue, but if you smoke that much forget it. I bought some test sticks online to be sure.  So if you only smoke once a week on Friday, skip the test on Monday.

      •  i had to clear the fingerprint background check (1+ / 0-)
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        we had to have our prints done at a police station. the pd in the affluent town where I lived kept messing them up, so the fbi kept kicking it back. I had to go over to a city where they did prints on a regular basis and knew what they were doing.

        my favorite safety meeting where I used to work was the one where they said they were resubmitting our prints for a more thorough check which would go farther back. maybe the fbi had added more records to their database or something? I really don't know.

        so all of a sudden this very sweet, great grandmother, pastor's wife, church mother jumps straight up out of her chair and yells "how far back are they gonna go??!!??"

        then she quietly says "everybody's got a past..." and sits back down.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 06:55:14 AM PDT

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  •  don't go crazy drinking too much water (3+ / 0-)
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    you won't fail the test but you will invalidate it as I found out, which delayed my start date by a week as I had to go back for a second drug test. I could get all semi scientific or you could just google it. Anyway, just drink water regularly.

  •  Cheap drug tests prone to false positives (8+ / 0-)

    There are two basic technologies used in drug testing - immunochemistry based and mass spectrometry based (GC/MS or HPLC/MS).

    If it's a Federal Agency mandated test (such as for security clearances or interstate truck drivers), then the sample is first tested by immunochemistry and then any positives by that test are confirmed by a mass spec procedure. GC/MS and HPLC/MS have negligible false positive rates (if properly done), so in this case you would have little to worry about.

    Unfortunately, GC/MS and HPLC/MS are expensive - perhaps $100 a test, as opposed to the $5 immunochemistry test. And the immunochemistry tests have had very significant false positive rates, on occasion confusing ibuprofen for cannabis and OTC decongestants for amphetamines. These immunochemistry false positives will be no problem if a GC/MC confirmation test is used.

    But guess what? If it's not a test required by a Federal Agency regulation, in many states, private employers can and do reject you as a drug user based on the results of the $5 immunochemistry test, without spending their precious money on a mass-spec confirmation test.

    After all, why fret over a little thing like ruining a potential worker's career prospects, when you can save $100? There are always plenty more workers out there - we're disposable, interchangeable parts to most corporate management.

  •  Obviously, you should turn down the offer (0+ / 0-)

    Any pay received from an employer that requires a drug test and background check would obviously be tainted.

    On the other hand, congratulations on your new job!

  •  Are you SURE you want to work for a company like (0+ / 0-)


    After all, doesn't this indicate how little regard the company has for you and your privacy?

    •  I do (0+ / 0-)

      This job means I won't have to move to a bigger city, I can pay off my student loans, and then I can finally start saving for retirement.

      It's relatively easy work for me since it's what I did for two years getting my master's degree.

      And the company's IT department actually lets people have lives, which is very rare.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 11:43:44 AM PDT

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  •  Security Clearance forum on Federalsoup (1+ / 0-)
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    Always interesting to read about what others in your situation are saying.

    Federal Soup


  •  I am on Disability (4+ / 0-)
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    for Multiple Sclerosis, first and foremost, but then I have all of these "other side effects" like walking off-balance for years has caused arthritis, I have tremors, I get my neck/back Botoxed to stop some of the bad head/trunk tremors, etc.

    And I deal with pain - lots of different kinds.  Even a spastic cramp is a form of pain (Severe I might add).

    Well, I went to a pain clinic for years, at first tried to stay clean for my appointments (nothing 2 weeks before my monthly appts).  I ended up failing 2 tests, the 3rd was a false positive and they told me I could pick up my prescriptions once the "additional drug testing results came back."

    That was it, I wanted off of THEIR drugs, the narcotics.  I was in some La La land, life just passing me by as I felt like I was living the movie, "One Flew of the CucKoo's Nest."

    Anyhow, that was it for me, I knew I was clean on that test (which was later PROVED to be the case) but had enough and detoxed myself off of Fentanyl.  Yeah, try that after 6 years of being on it.  It was a nightmare experience, since I didn't want some "drug rehab" in my files.

    They tell me these days that all they can do is keep me as comfortable as possible.  No cures (obviously).  I now am seeing a group of doctors who understand this and are making sure I'm not in outer space but that I am "as comfortable as I can be."

    If you want to know WHO is demanding these drug tests - it is the Insurance Companies.  Seems people do not realize how much these various insurance companies now rule our lives.

    -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

    by MarciaJ720 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 08:42:34 AM PDT

    •  Yes the insurance companies do have a lot of (5+ / 0-)

      influence not only on businesses but on government policies. Any major safety regulation is a result of the insurance agency lobbying for it as they have had too many claims for it. Think about it. Seat belts, air bags, fire alarms, etc..

      I get so annoyed when people gripe about Govt intrusion when it really is someone else doing the lobbying for whatever regulation they think is needed to protect their interests. Govt does not just think these things up they are given the ideas by an outside entity. The scary part is that the more cynical organizations like ALEC operate under the radar of most people.

  •  You'll be fine but..... (2+ / 0-)
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    it sounds like you really need some cannabis to chill. You don't have to smoke it. You could eat it or use a vaporizer. Goodie, goodie two shoes is long gone. To survive in corporate America you need to have that metaphoric knife ready for coworkers who will view you the way prisoners view a newbie and they will surely have theirs.

  •  Drug testing policies usually stem from (3+ / 0-)
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    a requirement from either a government agency like DOT or from the company's Workers Comp carrier. There are plenty of industries that should drug test due to the nature of the work but not all. I work for an electrical contractor we do pre-employment drug screening but that is all. We have been "encouraged" to do random screening by our WC carrier but so far have not instituted any program.

    I agree that the need to drug screen or credit check seems a little heavy handed. Aside from ideology though there are standards adopted by high risk occupations that require testing to keep us all safe.

  •  Here's what you should REALLY worry about: (0+ / 0-)

    Living a primarily cash existence means you don't have much of a credit record. Your credit score is probably pretty low, meaning you're not a good credit risk and therefore likely untrustworthy in the eyes of some employers.

    A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

    by edg on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 10:51:42 AM PDT

    •  It's improved a lot (0+ / 0-)

      I went through CCCS and paid off around $13,000 worth of credit cards accumulated through my undergrad years.

      I have a Macy's card that I was approved for last winter, which has carried a balance exactly once - enough to confirm I can pay off a debt again.

      I didn't want to get a credit card while I was only making $16,000 a year at my last job.  Now that I'm going to be making three times that much, I will probably go ahead and get one of those airline rewards cards since I like to travel.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 11:47:54 AM PDT

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  •  I gave em up .. (5+ / 0-)

    jobs that want to piss test, anything that requires a security clearance .. fuck that. The problem is that any corporation big enough for Sorbannes-Oxley to apply is going to have all that silly horseshit. I spent too many years working in shops that were full of people who could pass a 'lifestyle' polygraph but couldn't code their way out of a paper bag ..

    "Electronic media creates reality" - Meatball Fulton

    by zeke7237 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:15:23 PM PDT

  •  Don't bring too much personal belongings (0+ / 0-)

    when they do the test, they probably will have you put your wallet, keys, coins, etc in a metal box. This is the same box that everyone who has taken the piss test has reached into after filling the cup. Ask for disposable gloves before reaching back into the nice white metal box, whose atmosphere is rich with humidified piss from people who took the test, and probably didn't pass. You don't need those germs. Better yet, ask for them to clean the inside of the box first, and give you a plastic bag to put your stuff in.
      You get a copy of the test for your own records. Keep it. And if you have any doubts about the quality of their test, go to an immedicenter and get a "second opinion", preferably around the same time period, so you can refute false positives if you think there might be any.

    •  Wasn't nearly that bad (0+ / 0-)

      I had to leave my bag in the office, and not flush the toilet afterward (I guess to make sure there were no baggies in there or something.)  That was all.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 04:02:47 PM PDT

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