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Republican congressman Raul Labrador on NBC's Meet the Press, explaining explaining why he opposes the Senate's immigration reform bill:
I actually think if we don’t do it right politically it’s going to be the death of the Republican Party. If we do it right, I think it’s going to be good for us. But if we don’t do it right, what’s going to happen is that we’re going to lose our base because we’re still going to have a large number of illegal immigrants coming into the United States. And the Hispanic community is not going to listen to us because they’re going to always listen to, at this point, to the people that are offering more, that are offering a faster pathway to citizenship, all those things. So, I think we lose on both grounds if we don’t do it right.
In other words, according to Labrador (who is, ironically, Hispanic): Republicans should oppose immigration reform unless it stops Hispanic immigration into the United States because Republicans don't have much to offer to Hispanics. Even if you set aside the crass nature of Labrador's political calculation on how his party should handle a question of basic human dignity, isn't it amazing that he seems oblivious to the fact that Republicans could do something about the fact that they are so unpopular with Hispanics? Instead, he—and his fellow conservatives—seem eager to make their problem even worse.

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  •  I love the irony (20+ / 0-)

    When President Johnson signed the Civil Rights bill he accurately predicted that it would give the South to the Republicans.

    Things have changed. Republicans are backed into a no-win situation, and the result will eventually turn Texas, then the whole South, Democratic. Only states that can retain their white ethnic purity will escape.

    Many an insightful opinion and observation can be found on my blog Occam's Razor. UID: 875

    by Guy Noir on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:34:28 AM PDT

  •  Labrador (10+ / 0-)

    Was born in Puerto Rico but he is LDS, so that's that

  •  Maybe He Can Add An Amendment (5+ / 0-)

    To create an open-door police for all expat South Africans who miss the apartheid years. Instant Republicans.

  •  One of the grievances (6+ / 0-) the Declaration of Independence was that the ruling government was trying to restrict immigration.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:37:23 AM PDT

  •  Didnt this assclown get the memo? Or cant he read? (7+ / 0-)

    Anything that reminds people about Romney's 47 percent of the US being moochers losers and vermin makes you look bad. And you dont get a free pass just because you're a member of the ethnic group youre pissing on.

    •  What does that make you, I wonder? (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps un Tío Tomás?

      Born, raised, and currently reside in PA-3 (where birth control is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11); college in the old OH-10; graduate school in the old OH-17

      by JBraden on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:17:24 AM PDT

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  •  Yup , (7+ / 0-)
    seem eager to make their problem even worse.
    and then they will point a finger at the "bad people" for not understanding how awesome possum they really are .

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

    by indycam on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:39:38 AM PDT

  •  Offering more = Not being treated like scum (6+ / 0-)

    Math is simple once you know the values involved.

    "Use the Force, Harry!" - Gandalf

    by Fordmandalay on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:42:01 AM PDT

  •  GOP (10+ / 0-)

    Is just plain nuts. They cannot see that it is their own policy's and ideology on this subject that is killing them.

    They refuse to believe that demonizing Hispanics as the "bad guys" is not wrong.

    •  They expect, I think, Hispanics to be like them (3+ / 0-)

      endlessly dividing themselves with the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

      They expect 'legal' Hispanics to turn on 'illegal' Hispanics, to say 'we are not like them' -- or to choose some social issue over their own brothers and sisters as the GOP has done over the last 30 years. This is why you hear GOP operatives saying something like 'but they're Catholic...why don't they love us for our anti-abortion/anti-gay marriage stance?'

      The GOP is mighty confused when Hispanics do not divide themselves into ever smaller groups which the GOP could then gather in...and can't help saying further damaging things in an attempt to get them to do so.

      Epic fantasy with a sense of humor -- Hero for Hire

      by wonderful world on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:38:22 AM PDT

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  •  To be or not to be.......Not to be. (3+ / 0-)

    Good luck farting around with this one goopers.

  •  some honesty at least... (9+ / 0-)

    and just as a point of interest, immigration over the border has pretty much flatlined...

    No jobs..and from a very recent  report on this by PEW:  "The survey also found that Mexicans are less likely than they were a year ago to say that people from their country who move to the U.S. have a better life there."  Guess the Republican keep everybody from getting a job obstruction worked in at least one respect.  


  •  What hapened to the "Meritocracy," Wingnuts?? (7+ / 0-)

    So the Republican Party, that claims to champion "meritocracy" -- winning based on the merits of an argument, or product, in the marketplace -- can't handle a meritocracy if it means their party will lose?

    Oh delicious irony.

    How you continue to expose the right wing fraud for what it is -- white privilege dressed up in pseudo-intellectualism.  

    But when the chips are on the table, Republicans are happy to break the rules, bend the rules, lie, cheat, and steal, to maintain the power that their presumed "merit" has earned.

    What a joke.

  •  What's going to kill the Republican party is guys (7+ / 0-)

    like Labrador. They're going to stupid themselves out of existence.

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:49:30 AM PDT

    •  Indeed (0+ / 0-)

      As Labrador was speaking I was thinking, "Do you hear the words coming out of your mouth?"

      To any NSA contractor reading this; FU

      by Himself on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 09:35:43 AM PDT

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    •  Well... that's what I used to think... (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought that when Bush was running in 2000, and I thought it when Quayle ran with his father...

      But 'putting out stupid' is a part of the brand for the GOP and something they do well.

      Palin after all... pretty much made Bush and Quayle look like Einstein and Hawking in contrast. There are pigeons that can string together more intelligent sentences than her...

      'Folksy' is how they brand it: a guy or gal you could go to a bar and get drunk with... somehow being a great qualification for access to 'The Red Button'...
      - Mostly because it lets all the 1%ers who really want to call the shots actually do so.

      The last Republican with brains was Lincoln, and look at where it got him... the grandsires of his future party leaders got rid of him...

  •  If you can outlaw abortion in the red states, (12+ / 0-)

    combined with preventing anyone brown from coming here, then perhaps we can get the number of white folks up and keep our power!

    That's the GOP calculation. Couldn't be more wrong.

  •  Skipping over that word "illegal" (4+ / 0-)

    The big problem of illegal immigrants for ordinary Americans is not the presence of people with a different culture, it's people who cannot legally work and fear report abuses.

    People who are in the country legally -- including legal immigrants -- must then compete for jobs on a tilted playing field.

    An immigration bill that does not allow enforcement officials to stomp on employers who hire illegal immigrants and does not protect the rights of American workers will be bad news for everybody.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:52:43 AM PDT

    •  Didn't work out so well in Ga (5+ / 0-)

      Georgia is a redneck, backwards, cigarette smoking, tobacco-chewing, Camaro-driving racist dipshit state (but I like the weather) and these backwards, diphit racists imposed an immigration law that

      stomp[ed] on employers who hire[d] illegal immigrants and does [did] not protect the rights of American workers
      and talk about FAIL
      After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.

      It might be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

      Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.

      "Americans won't do those jobs.

      I believe they even tried to make prisoners do it - and they refused (what? they'll go to jail?)


      •  Sounds like it did work out well. (3+ / 0-)
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        judyms9, Quicklund, Sixty Something

        Sounds like it worked out very well.

        Why do you think otherwise?

        You are parrotting the myth that illegal immigrants take jobs that Americans don't want.

        That, however, is only part of the picture.

        They also take jobs that Americans and legal immigrants afforded the protection of labor laws do want.  They take them without recourse to legal protections.

        One of the big stories out of Katrina was ripping off illegal immigrant construction workers who flocked to the New Orleans for big paydays.

        Immigration is a lovely thing. People come here who actually want to be here.  Many of them work very hard and contribute to the future of this country. We should not relegate them to an undercalss. We should not abuse them and take advantage of them. Likewise, we should not make Americans subject to the same sort of abuse for the simple want of a job.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:09:40 AM PDT

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        •  Unsure what you took away from that. (1+ / 0-)
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          Zack from the SFV

          The anti-brown-skinned people bill really hurt the economy here.

          You are parrotting the myth that illegal immigrants take jobs that Americans don't want.
          It screwed shit up.

          NOBODY was beating a path to do that work so crops rotted.

          You can call it a 'myth' if you want: you mutht be using a meaning of that word I am not familiar with.

          Or are you just being 'snarky"?

          And my wife is a legal immigrant. I did all the paperwork, we jumped through the hoops and paid all the RIDICULOUS fees (that DHS promptly jacked up once they came online).

          I am all sorts of aware about immigration and am rather concerned as how you can have the audacity to imply I am somehow not aware of dynamics involved.

          •  You COULD just go read the linked info.... (0+ / 0-)

            probably not as much fun.

          •  I call it a myth because it's always used to imply (0+ / 0-)

            that illegal immigrants work only at jobs that Americans don't want.

            That simply isn't true.

            And, frankly, even those immigrants who work at jobs that Americans don't want should be subject to the same legal protection and regulation that other workers receive.

            And what audacity?

            Are you really going to tell me that no illegal immigrants swing a hammer or fix a car?

            In that case, I can live with your outrage. I'd rather be right than liked.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:20:45 AM PDT

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        •  It's not the illegal part (1+ / 0-)
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          if they were legal, immigrants might still be likely to take those jobs because they know how to do them well and what they can make here is more than what they can make at home for doing the same job.

          Even illegal immigrants who are educated don't want those jobs, no more than most Americans do (though most Americans seem to totally overrate their skill levels).

          It's the difference between seeing a job as an opportunity or as a punishment.

          To most immigrants, legal or illegal, a job is seen as an opportunity - a way to get ahead, get their children a better future, make a new life. Even if the work is backbreaking.

          To most Americans, a hard physical job that doesn't pay a lot is seen as a punishment, something you get forced to do, something that's a step backwards, that will get you nowhere.

          •  'Doesn't pay a lot' is the key. If they paid what (1+ / 0-)
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            Brooke In Seattle

            it really was worth - i.e., just below the cost of completely automating it - they'd have plenty of citizens doing it.  

            Its not hard to see no one wants to be a slave, which is what jobs paying slave wages are in all but de jure.

          •  Can't argue with any of that. (1+ / 0-)
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            The problem with our current immigration is that it fails to reflect reality and does so in a way that harms workers.

            I believe that the US has as much right to protect its border as Mexico does -- and don't kid yourself, Mexico is not friendlh to illegal entrants.

            I also believe that we should welcome immigrants.  Think of all those immigrants -- including those who entered illegally -- who have been here raising families, doing jobs, starting businesses, and making the US a better place.  We want those people. We'd be insane not to want them.

            But -- operating outside of the law is also operating outside of its protection.  We don't need an underclass.  Quite the opposite.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:33:34 AM PDT

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            •  I don't want them to be an underclass (3+ / 0-)
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              dinotrac, bikerwalla, valkyrry

              I want them to be a valued, legal part of the workforce.

              Even if they're only here temporarily. If they don't want to stay, we shouldn't make it so hard for them to come and go that we in essence FORCE them to stay.

              The GOP has pretty much done that. It's part of the reason why there are so many younger Hispanic voters, and so many who will be eligible to vote soon.

              You make people stay somewhere, they create families. It's what people are pretty much hard-wired to do. Which means they have kids HERE, and those kids are CITIZENS.

              If you don't want an increase in the number of Hispanic CITIZENS, you let temporary workers stay temporary and GO HOME when they want to.

              It's not hard - but apparently the GOP doesn't have any clue how people function. They certainly don't have any clue how women function.

              •  Personally, an increase in Hispanic citizens suits (0+ / 0-)

                me fine.

                It's one thing that's stuck with me from the time I lived in Texas. You'd see immigrants doing all kinds of jobs from busboy to lawns to bricklaying, etc. You'd see them working hard.  I happen to think people who work hard are a good thing. We should want more of them.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:59:16 AM PDT

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                •  I think so too (0+ / 0-)

                  And I think that if somebody comes here on a temporary basis and works hard and pays taxes, they should be given a fast track to a green card and citizenship (and I mean fast, not 15 yrs).

                  Hell, they've shown they can function, are willing to follow the rules, and we could even set a few conditions - like literacy and citizenship classes.

                  I think most people who aren't total xenophobes would go along with that.

      •  It didn't work for Georgia, because it acted alone (2+ / 0-)
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        Quicklund, happymisanthropy

        Of course, GA would have had plenty of legal workers, at the right wages.  

        But other states also grow crops, and as long as those producers use that large, abusable underpaid and unprotected labor force, GA couldn't raise prices to pay the higher labor costs.  So it couldn't  bring in the harvest.

        Here's a link to someone with your position.  Listen to the reaction.

        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

        by Inland on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:53:02 AM PDT

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      •  These "full-on fuck-ups" are exactly what's needed (0+ / 0-)

        Well, not all that is needed but they illustrate American economic realities in a spectacular way which cannot be swept under the table.

        These events blow up the bigots' arguments of

        * The steal our jobs

        * They don't contribute they just leech

        * We need to stop them from coming over here

        Alabama demonstrated the need for work visa, guest worker laws - a system that let's people come into the country to work and to go home legally.

  •  This: (6+ / 0-)
    isn't it amazing that he seems oblivious to the fact that Republicans could do something about the fact that they are so unpopular with Hispanics? Instead, he—and his fellow conservatives—seem eager to make their problem even worse.
    Please proceed, Congressman.

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:56:07 AM PDT

  •  By all means, please improve immigration. (1+ / 0-)
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    Anything that will hasten the demise of the GOP is a great thing for LIFE ITSELF.

    They are a malignant tumor on our lives.

  •  Republicans and Democrats agree (3+ / 0-)

    "Labor"  is an expense, not a constituency.

    The Business of America is Business

    And  Business  needs a plentiful supply of cheap and biddable imported labor -- at ALL skill levels.  

    So,  let the Race to the Bottom  begin continue !

    •  Laborers only want "jobs"qso they can mooch off (1+ / 0-)
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      God's Chosen.

    •  Which is why Ds want to make it MORE expensive? (0+ / 0-)

      See, minimum wage, safety, paycheck membership, etc. bills.

      You're false equivalency would be funny if it weren't so ignorant.

      •  Oh brother !! I tell you what ... (0+ / 0-)

        If you can explain what you mean by a "false equivalency" ... and it reads remotely like you know what a "false equivalency" IS ...    I'll be delighted to explain why there is no inconsistency between, on the one hand, maintaining the 80 year old system of minimum worker protections ... and at the same time providing the business community with high quality, low cost labor.

        'Cuz I'm pretty sure if you and I got into an Ignorance competition  -- you would win it hands down.

        PS:  I'd also love to know what (if anything) you mean by "bills".

        •  "Republicans and Democrats agree 'Labor' is an (0+ / 0-)

          expense, , not a constituency." is what you said, ending in "So let the Race to the Bottom  begin continue !"

          I.e., that both parties only see labor as an expense and seek to devalue it further.

          That is simply not true.  Ds do not simply see it as an expense.  If they did so, the Democratic party would not be committed to raising the cost of labor through the measures I gave examples of, as well as other (including raising safety and enviromental standards).  Some D pols do not agree with the party, of course, but they are the exception not the rule.

          BTW, 'bills' should be self-explanatory, as these did not pass - and will not given the Thug House - so they are not - yet- laws.

          Finally, take your arrogant assumptions about my knowledge - which is both wide and broad - and stuff it.

  •  But he's right! (7+ / 0-)

    Legal citizens of Hispanic ancestry are still going to be Democratic leaning on every other issue, more or less. So even setting aside CIR, giving millions of Hispanics the right to vote is a setback for the GOP.

    Denying them citizenship, though, gives the millions of legal citizens of Hispanic ancestry that already exist still more motivation to vote Democratic - and, more to the point, to turn out and vote.

    Remember: Hispanic voter turnout comes up to AA and white levels, and Texas is in play in 2016, and probably leans blue by 2020.

    The worst thing the GOP could do is provide a path to citizenship in such a ham-fisted, grudging manner that it both giving millions of new Democratic voters citizenship while still infuriating the existing citizens.

    Here's betting that they are capable of that level of fail.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:02:37 AM PDT

  •  Shorter version (4+ / 0-)

    Republicans vow to NEVER pull their heads out of their ass.

    Eric Cantor says:

    If we pull our heads out of our asses now, the terrorists will have wonned
  •  Strawman arguments always dissapoint (2+ / 0-)

    Whenever you see this phrase

    In other words
    It's time to be on a strawman alert. Unfortunately that's  the case here. Rep Labrador did not say this:
    Republicans should oppose immigration reform unless it stops Hispanic immigration into the United States because Republicans don't have much to offer to Hispanics.
    What he said was ... well there's quite a bit of weasel-room in what he said referred to illegal immigration in the future. He did not say anything about stopping all Hispanic immigration in the future.

    I take his meaning to be along these lines:

    The Hispanic community will always be concerned about immigration law as it pertains to citizenship, because there will always be some illegal immigration. The Hispanic community will therefor always tend to support the party seen to be the strongest supporter of a path to citizenship.

    Which is hardly the same sort of crass, mean-spirited statement as the strawman erected. In fact, it seems like pretty basic politics. Straight talk from a member of the Hispanic community.

  •  Is Rep. Labrador's argument supposed (1+ / 0-)
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    to make sense?

    ...we’re going to lose our base because we’re still going to have a large number of illegal immigrants coming into the United States.
    Exactly where does the Representative think his "base" is going to go?  To the Democrats, who want to make a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants less onerous?  Unlikely.  Does he fear his base will start a third party over this one issue?  Less likely.  

    What's most likely to happen if the Republicans refuse to come to terms on an immigration bill is that he's going to lose his "base" in the business community who overwhelmingly favor the immigration bill just passed by the Senate and don't particularly oppose having "a large number of illegal immigrants coming into the United States" since they can be hired at much lower wages.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:20:23 AM PDT

  •  Labradors are great at doing what they're told (1+ / 0-)
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    Or, to be more accurate, what they've been trained to do. Exactly as they were trained to do it, time after time, without fail. This Labrador is just remaining true to that. The GOP establishment trained him to hate on immigrants, and he's doing just what he was trained to do.

    Labradors make great dogs. Congressional representatives, not so much, unless they're yellow Labradors, in which case we should all vote for them.

    An organ donor saved my life! Is this bragging?

    Working since the age of 8 to defeat the GOP!

    by Kitsap River on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:24:32 AM PDT

  •  His point, though, is also about Reagan's reform. (1+ / 0-)
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    But if we don’t do it right, what’s going to happen is that we’re going to lose our base because we’re still going to have a large number of illegal immigrants coming into the United States.
    He's remembering what all republicans remember: Reagan had an amnesty combined with a promise to get tough with illegal immigration going foreward, as a compromise and recognition of facts on the ground.

    But the enforcement never happened, and we found ourselves in the exact same situation during George W.  

    So the "do it right" point and their base is well taken.

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:35:31 AM PDT

  •  Another thing about Labrador's performance on (0+ / 0-)

    MTP was its high-level boorishness of responses in an attempt to meet the Chris Christie/Ted Cruz/Rand Paul bar of boorishness, a quality the GOP apparently equates with guts and toughness among their elite.  I'll take the John Kerry/Bernie Sanders/Angus King kinds of guts and toughness every time.  Labrador even japed at David Brooks, considered a conservative, and almost had him on the fainting couch.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:35:57 AM PDT

  •  Here's the Republican position... (2+ / 0-)

    They'd like workers to come up here from south of the border, work 6 month stints in what amounts to a labor camp (no chance to get out & turn "illegal"), then go home. (and of course, the workers pay for the transportation & housing).

    That way, they get their cheap labor, but there are no spouses/children that make these situations "complicated".

    I think that's an arrangement that all sides of the GOP could agree on. And that is scary.

    Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

    by walk2live on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:50:51 AM PDT

    •  The devil is in the details (1+ / 0-)
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      work 6 month stints in what amounts to a labor camp
      There is a name for this: the status quo.

      OTOH, if temporary workers were allowed to cross the border legally, to and fro, and work at legal jobs with legal wage protection and legal OSHA oversight, then that would be a win-win for all involved.

      But today, we pretty much have the system you warn us not to create. It's here. the only difference is, once the worker gets here for that job, they have a hard time crossing back to go home. and that is exactly what many would like to do: make some many, then bring it home for the family.

      •  The thing is... (1+ / 0-)
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        That people do have lives. They do have families that they want nearby. They fall in love, they have kids, they get sick, they need to drive, etc... And when the kids of migrant workers grow-up here, they're American.

        And "6 months stints" is just not a workable situation for most people. What are they supposed to do the other 6 months?

        Anyway, I agree with your comments. This should be obvious to anyone who looks at the situation from anything other than a selfish perspective.

        Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

        by walk2live on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 09:56:45 AM PDT

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        •  I beg to differ (1+ / 0-)
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          being away from family for 6 mos is hard, but certainly not impossible.

          Ask any soldier. Or sailor.

          If they make enough money to last the year (and if they're paid legally, they might) they might be fine with going back for that other 6 mos.

          Not everybody wants to move here. Nor should they have to.

        •  Not every job is for every person (0+ / 0-)

          Young people w/o families might be more apt to take that sort of job. If they are returning to their home communities they bring that money back to that community. It gets spent there, creating more jobs in the community for those that don't want to travel. Today, often times the person and the money is stuck north of the border.

          I worked for a company that moved its factories to Juarez. After one year of operation, not a single worker on staff had a full year's experience. Every single person who was employed on Day 1 of operations had quit by day 365. This is a statement of fact not an exaggeration. These people were simply carrying out their own plans. They chose to work for several months, save up money, then return to their families.

          Believe me, factory management wanted workers to stay. Desperately. The need for constant training cost money and worse it prevented that factory from making anything but the simplest item (item - singular) in our product line of some 4,000 items.

          This to me seems to indicate there are millions of workers who would be comfortable with the ability to travel to the US and back with the understanding both the job and the residency would be temporary - but legal and safe.

          Anyway, as you say we agree. I'm just hoping to put your mind at ease on a couple points.

  •  win/win (1+ / 0-)
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    I suppose finishing off the Republican party is almost as important to the country as immigration reform.

  •  Human Beings (0+ / 0-)

    These people never seem to speak about these immigrants as if they are human beings.  Most probably didn't want to leave their homes.  They miss their families.  Their children, born here, are not supposed to be real citizens in some form since their status as citizens and voters is a threat to the country.

    Evidently they can't even grasp shy the Latino community detests them in such huge numbers.

    The Republican Party can't really change.  It has spent 30 years building it's current base, which is energized by fear and racism.  The politicians know they have to change to serve the corporate economic agenda, but the base won't have any of it in most of their carefully segregated districts.

    If all that new fence, hardware, computer systems and a militaries border aren't enough, what would be.

    Probably a real, nationally coordinated identity and registration system standard across all 50 states, like every other civilized nation has, but that would violate states rights and be big brother. It would also give us, after a few years a single, reliable national database of who is a citizen and whoever else is in the country legally.  The Republican base is opposed to a system so we really don't have a list of who is supposed to be here, who was born here and who is a citizen.  We have a system founded on shaky state and local records.

    William Hamilton practices Law and is a writer and community activist in the Charleston, SC area. He can reached through

    by wjhamilton29464 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 09:07:51 AM PDT

  •  He is kinda right. The GOP has a conundrum that (0+ / 0-)

    cannot be solved - try to attract the Hispanic or please the base, but never both and it could be neither.  Pass the popcorn!

  •  "Ironically Hispanic" (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't that the title of Raul Labrador's latest album?

  •  I love the idea of a wood stake or silver bullet (0+ / 0-)

    to kill this incarnation of the Republican party.  Unfortunately, in todays gerrymandered environment it seems a Republican in a Red district could rape their mother, kill their brother then maim their wife all live on a pay-per-view and still get reelected if they promise to stop the Gay and Brown and protect the blastocyte.  

    The ground for taking ignorance to be restrictive of freedom is that it causes people to make choices which they would not have made if they had seen what the realization of their choices involved. A.J. Ayer, Sir. "The Concept of Freedom "

    by Memory Corrupted on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 09:42:49 AM PDT

  •  I think Labrador is exactly right (0+ / 0-)

    They aren't going to win over Hispanics and they will damage base loyalty.  But there is no way for them to "do it right."  They're screwed.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

    by jhannon on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:07:28 AM PDT

  •  I'm confused (0+ / 0-)

    Do you equate "basic human dignity" with a "right" to illegal immigration to the U.S.?

  •  The most effective villain (0+ / 0-)

    Comes from the class of people of his victims.

    For fiction, look at the recent movie Django Unchained, where Samuel Jackson is playing one of the primary villains helping the slave owner.

    For history, guards at Nazi camps who were Jewish.

    For present day, Justices like Uncle Thomas...

    This guy being Hispanic and Republican is not 'shouldn't he know better' but 'coup for the GOP to get a race-traiter'.

    People who attack their own can always do a LOT more damage than outsiders who attack.

    (Yeah... but there's no other way to say it than that...)

  •  Raul Labrador - Work on defeating in 2014 (0+ / 0-)

    Or 2016.  Either way, this nation cannot afford more braindead GOP Congressmen/Congressowmen.

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