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Want to be a saint—it's easy! First be a Pope, and then another Pope will fast-track you to sainthood — it's the Catholic way! And the Church knows a thing or two about saints; they have one for just about every color of the rainbow. Trusting

"as ever when we unweave a rainbow, it will not become less wonderful."
Sainthood, in Catholic terms, is always posthumous. And generally a 500-plus year gap between death and final recognition is the norm, thus allowing time, of course, for the dust to settle. Or at least that is how it has traditionally been done, since the Vatican took control of saint-making in the 13th century. However, Pope's definitely get fast-tracked—nothing like being 'in' with the 'in' crowd.

And you've got your choice with these two former Popes just canonized by Pope Francis; Pope John Paul II—the conservative, and John XXIII—the so-called liberal. Yes sir, with Pope Francis' picks you can't go wrong—or maybe not! John Paul, of course, being the unwavering defender of birth control, the Catholic way, of course — pull-out before ejaculation; as well as being the Church's enforcer against a woman's right to choose. It always struck me as odd that these womanless (sans families) Catholic prelates had such an intense interest in the affairs of women—somewhat akin to the Republican legislators' obsession with vaginas.

Then there's Pope John XXIII — what's not to like — bubbly and full of smiles; obviously well fed too. But then again he, as his later successor John Paul, was also critical of abortion, contraception, artificial insemination, divorce and the ordination of homosexual seminarians. Obviously, shades of the exploding pedophilia scandals, which Pope John Paul fully addressed—well, maybe not (see 2nd link below—The Errant Church).

How many miracles are needed to make a saint? Fortunately, you're only required to perform 2; you need 1 to be classed as 'blessed' and then the 2nd makes you almost an official saint. But getting your miracle approved as a miracle can be rather tough; unless, of course, you know a Pope. Pope Francis approved the 2nd miracle needed to canonize Pope John Paul II; however, since he didn't have that 2nd miracle at the ready for Pope John XXIII, Francis thought for sure that it would come anyway, and thusly waived Vatican rules for John—blessed be the infallibility of Popes!

Of course, we all need a miracle every now and then as poor old Fred MacMurray in 'The Miracle of the Bells', who wrote all those bad checks, which are about to bounce, as he convincingly says to saintly pastor Francis (Sinatra), 'Don't take the light out of your parishioners' faces—they saw the angel statues move as well', they need a miracle too—don't they!

The Errant Church—Approximately 6,000 pages of records detailing decades of child sexual abuse by Roman Catholic priests; a sweeping, searing encyclopedia of crime and 'insufficient' punishment.

Originally posted to jps1 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 06:48 AM PDT.

Also republished by Street Prophets .

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  •  Very politically astute, fast-tracking both the... (5+ / 0-)
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    mind-blowingly incompetent John Paul II, and the revered and genuinely saintly John XXIII.

    Gotta understand, John XXIII took over the Papacy more than 50 years ago, at a time when the Mass was still recited in Latin and the Roman Catholic Church remained a colossal monolithic edifice supporting a complete parallel system of schools and institutions in the U.S. as well as much of Europe. His stands on abortion and contraception were in fact mainstream for all Christian denominations at the time, and he spent essentially no time whatsoever on sexual morality.

    Instead, John XXIII took a sledgehammer to stifling orthodoxy with Vatican II and threw open the Church windows to the winds of change.

    John Paul II, by telling contrast, spent his entire Papacy dragging the Church back into the shadows, with disastrous results.

    •  It was astute of Francis (1+ / 0-)
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      To do it this way. The right wing of the Chuch continues to resent John XXIII to this day for initiating V 2; From the elevation of Wotyla until now they were winning that battle.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:26:09 AM PDT

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      •  Battle nothing. Conservatives won the war. (0+ / 0-)

        The Roman Catholic Church today is defined by two entire generations of Bishops and Cardinals who were all appointed by John Paul II and his Richelieu, AKA Ratzinger. The result is a College of Cardinals whose breathtaking managerial incompetence and theological mediocrity is matched only by its reactionary fundamentalism.

        Francis may be permitted to rearrange the deck chairs a bit on the Vatican's 'Titanic'; but the intensely reactionary political and social character of the Church is set in stone for at least the next generation. And given his age of nearly 80, Francis won't have enough time to accomplish anything else.

  •  Another in an endless line of anti-Catholic (2+ / 0-)
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    diaries here.

    1. The church doesn't "make" saints.  They just officially declare that someone is recognized as a saint.  Most saints are never recognized as such.

    2. What's going on here is real news, not corrupt business as usual, as this cheesy diary blithely assumes.  In the 2,000-year history of the church, I believe only one pope has ever been recognized as a saint.

    3. It seems pretty clear to me that John 23rd and John Paul the 2d were indeed saints.

    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.-Bertrand Russell

    by Timaeus on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 08:54:01 AM PDT

    •  I'd be inclined to agree on the former (1+ / 0-)
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      the latter not so much, his popularity notwithstanding.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:28:04 AM PDT

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    •  Anti-Catholic — NO; Truth — YES! (2+ / 0-)
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      Timaeus – With deference I submit you’re being a bit picayune, for it’s a matter semantics as the whether the church makes or declares saints—without the church there are no Catholic saints!  And while it’s true that my essay is a somewhat satirical, it’s not cheesy; and it is more accurate than your biased retort.   Contrary, to your comment about only one pope ever being recognized as being saint; I submit a list of canonized popes, which clearly shows an order close to a hundred.  The point again the fastest way to sainthood is to be a pope, however, the important aspect is to consider way that is—are popes holier than others!

      “Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent, but the tests that have to be applied to them are not, of course, the same. In Gandhi's case the questions one feels inclined to ask are: to what extent was Gandhi moved by vanity—by the consciousness of himself as a humble, naked old man, sitting on a praying mat and shaking empires by sheer spiritual power—and to what extent did he compromise his own principles by entering politics, which of their nature are inseparable from coercion and fraud?” —George-Orwell

      I see no reason why John 23rd and John Paul the 2d were deemed saints, and not someone else of say the statue of a person like Gandhi, again it is this church’s move, pure & simple political, to make new saints of these popes; as Francis’ astute decision is based solely on shoring-up & disquieting his church’s dwindling base—'Pope Francis' Saintly Politics’ points out with their saintly political intrigues’ —E.J. Dionne Jr.  Washington Post  

      "I was born a heretic.  I always distrusted people (the church) who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows."  —Susan B. Anthony
      I for one distrust those who are always prophesying their moral goodness when they in fact don’t have a moral leg of credibility, especially in light of their sexual abuse and rape of children, and their subsequent and continual cover-ups and denials.  I suggest you re-read, if you haven’t already, Frank Bruni’s NYT Op-Ed ‘The Church's Errant Shepherds’, which I originally linked in my piece.  John Paul the 2d is no better than Joe Paterno; sainthood should not be his (John Paul’s)  saintly reward!   As Bruni pointed out, what we have here is crime without sufficient (any) punishment.
      •  And from what I can tell (1+ / 0-)
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        Bruni's piece did not address Roncalli at all.  Timaeus is calling it as be sees it.  That's not picayune, that's his honest response.   BTW how at this point in time would you propose to punish JP2?

        If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

        by marykk on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:00:43 AM PDT

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        •  Picayune Only in a 'Semantical' Play with Words (1+ / 0-)
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          Perhaps sincere in his argument, but not factual — when you argue that only one pope was made and/or declared a saint (whatever word semantics you choose); when it was in fact almost 100 you're either being dishonest or very (be kind) uninformed.  And as far as I'm concerned you lose all credibility.

          Reference 'Roncalli' I assume you're referring to Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli (Pope John XXIII).  I addressed him in my Daily Kos piece, I cannot comment as to why Bruni did or did not; nor for that matter did he call-out John-Paul directly either, but I'd surmise that he implied as much in his catch-phrase 'Shepherds of the Church'.

          Negating punishment for the moment I'd not recommend a reward of sainthood, but for punishment then at the very least conviction for shielding pedophile priests, as Kansas City, Bishop Robert Finn was rightly convicted.  BTW Finn still holds the eminent position of Cardinal & U.S. Bishop of Kansas in the church.  Is this some kind of convoluted moral authority, for if it is—then I don't understand the moral authority of the church.

          And as for your mosquito analogy—your errant bug would long since have gotten his just reward and it wouldn't have been sainthood!      

      •  Hear hear!! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        •  I suggest you read 'The God Delusion' by Dawkins (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Richard Dawkins is one of my favorite... (1+ / 0-)
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            •  You might also enjoy reading Christopher Hitchens (2+ / 0-)
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              God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.  However, I'd add that this is quite a hard hitting book to read for the religious faint-of-heart; for in it Hitchens exposes the truth about the destructive nature that is religion-it will turn your thinking 180 degrees.

              Hitchens - ''The human species has been on the planet for at least a hundred thousand years."

              "In order for you to be a Christian, you have to believe that for 98,000 years, our species suffered and died, most of its children dying in child birth, most people having a life expectancy of 25 years, famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery. All of that for 98,000 years, while heaven watches it with complete indifference, and then 2000 years ago, that's enough of that, it's time to intervene. The best way to do this is by condemning someone to human sacrifice, somewhere in the less literate parts of the Middle-East. Let's not appear for the Chinese, where people can read, study evidence and have a civilization. Instead let’s go to the desert and have a revelation there—
              This is nonsense. It can't be believed by a thinking person''

    •  Sure Timaeus... (2+ / 0-)
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      Miracles and sainthood... it's all about "real news"!

      You might want to actually read the whole 2000 year history of the Catholic Church.... without the rose colored glasses, please.

    •  Saints...they don't just make themselves ... (0+ / 0-)

      you know!

  •  Republished to Street Prophets. nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Entertaining and thought-provoking ... (1+ / 0-)
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    I find this to be an entertaining and thought-provoking look at some of the hypocrisy within this pious order. It offers an objective view sprinkled with a refreshing measure of wit into practices that should give pause to even the most devout of followers.  The comparison to the GOP is quite apropos!

  •  The Catholic church has more hocus-pocus (2+ / 0-)
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    activities than a magician's convention.  

    I swear PT Barnum MUST have been a catholic!

  •  I notice that Pius XI is somehow not on the... (0+ / 0-)

    list for canonization. Strange that...

  •  The 2nd miracle of Pope John XXIII (1+ / 0-)
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    was that his second miracle was known before it happened.

  •  Criminalizing Leaks ..... (0+ / 0-)

    “Pope Francis has overhauled the laws that govern the Vatican City State,  criminalizing leaks< of Vatican information …. “

    •  criminalizing leaks of Vatican information (1+ / 0-)
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      Incredible—as the U.S. administration with regard to the press & so referred whistleblowers—shades of the U.S. criminalization of Edward Snowden who's been charged with espionage.  It's inconceivable that potential future saint Francis (the pope fast-track) would want to charge someone in the Vatican with a crime for reporting sexual abuse of a child.  Isn't this what Bishop Robert Finn (Kansas) was convicted of  — failure to report the sexual abuse of a child.  The church appears to be turning reporting of a crime, say sexual abuse on it's head — in criminalizing the whistleblowers and not the actual perpetrator of the sex crime.  Can the criminal justice system be right & the church morally bankrupt—it appears to be the way it is!        

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