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Many are pushing for the Justice Department to proceed with a trial over Trayvon's civil rights as was done in the 60's in Mississppi.

I am not so sure this is a good idea.

 A conviction of Zimmerman on civil rights would be a victory for justice, albeit a lessor one than an outright conviction on murder charges. But, even if successful, will the charges stick? If it goes to the Supreme Court, I don't think so. Not in THIS Supreme Court of assholes. The conservative justices will, I think, find it to be a form of double jeopardy and strike down any conviction on civil rights. And then, where will we be?

Striking down a trial for civil rights violation after a verdict of innocent on the murder charge would be right in keeping with the way the conservative justices have approached civil rights and voting rights thus far. It's not justice those assholes are interested in, it's keeping the Koch brothers happy and advancing the ideals of the John Birch Society. They grant just enough victories for liberals as to keep us complacent and unaware of their real, insidious goals.

The makeup of this Supreme Court must be changed. We need just one more intelligent, aware justice to change the entire nature of this disastrous court. It's imperative that we elect Presidents, going forward, that will appoint good justices. And that means opposing all republican candidates for the office. We must give the opposition no help whatsoever.


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  •  Obama DOJ must prosecute white racist Zimmerman (1+ / 0-)
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    Zimmerman the racist clearly hates black people.  This fact is not in dispute, especially in the light of Rachel Jeantel's testimony.

  •  Why isn't there just a policy of doing the (1+ / 0-)
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    civil rights trial first?

    And with the GOP in charge and debtor's prisons coming back, it would just save a lot of time.

    Convict someone of a civil rights violation and charge them a few millions of fine.

    And make him put it on his credit card (BoA, mandated by law) at the going rate - 69% compounded daily?

    Then, thanks to GOP debtor's prisons, when he starts to get behind on his payments, he goes to jail until he pays off the balance. BoA will make certain that he can't declare bankruptcy or skip out on his debts.

    Then, in the unlikely event that he starts to get enough money to pay off the balance, begin the criminal trial.

    •  pucklady - the reason that the civil rights trials (0+ / 0-)

      aren't done first is that the elements of a hate crime that must be proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, are most often harder to prove. As it relates to Zimmerman, the burden on the federal prosecutors will be more challenging than it was for the state.  

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:48:12 PM PDT

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  •  Well, I think a civil rights prosecution... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...would be a GOOD thing, and so does the NAACP.

    The NAACP is sponsoring a petition to the DOJ asking for an investigation, and if you agree, text "justice" to 62227...

    They have over a million signatures.

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 06:32:07 AM PDT

  •  Not gonna happen... (4+ / 0-)
    After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released yesterday show.

    It is my understanding that the FBI kept the case open to prevent Zimmerman from using it as evidence during his criminal trial. And now the DOJ is just waiting for tensions to calm down before announcing that they will not seek civil rights charges. They will not prosecute a case that they know they'll lose.

    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

    by HairyTrueMan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 06:32:36 AM PDT

  •  Your fears are overstated. (4+ / 0-)

    This isn't double jeopardy, and this sort of federal prosecution after state acquittal is kosher -- see, e.g., the four LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King, or Lemrick Nelson.

  •  I doubt they go after him (1+ / 0-)
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    Dr Swig Mcjigger

    It is almost impossible to prove Zimmerman's state of mind when this happened in regards to race. federal prosecutors don't like to lose cases.
    My guess is they take a pass in the end unless there is some evidence we don't know about.

  •  Civil rights isn't just about race. (0+ / 0-)
     Civil and political rightsare a class of rights that protect
    individuals' freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

    Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, colour, ethnicity, religion, or disability; and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, assembly and movement.

    Just one possibility:

    Since TM had every right to be where he was, a civil rights case could be made against GM for depriving TM of his personal CIVIL RIGHT to freedom of movement, then killing him and depriving him of his civil right to life.

    •  midge - what evidence was presented at the trial (1+ / 0-)
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      Dr Swig Mcjigger

      that Zimmerman deprived Martin of his freedom of movement?

      I agree with you that if there was proper evidence a federal case could be made, I am struggling to see where the evidence could be found that would convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:51:03 PM PDT

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  •  I agree, it's a bad idea. (0+ / 0-)

    I do not think this would go all the way to the Supreme Court though. But here's my thing:

    1) Do the laws of Florida need to change? Absolutely. But I believe to warrant a Federal intervention there needs to have been dysfunction in the courtroom either by the prosecution, the defense or the judge. Within the context of the laws of Florida, there appears to have been nothing that went wrong in the courtroom. Withheld evidence? Jury tampering? If something happened like that where the system itself needed to be indicted then I would say yes, but otherwise, no.
    The law failed, the system didn't. (Well, once Zimmerman was finally arrested it didn't)

    2) How much of a martyr do we want to make out of Zimmerman?

    He's like a knight in  shining armor knight to the NRA, the Fox Audience etc etc. A federal case now makes this OBAMA VS. ZIMMERMAN. He'll be exalted as a modern day Jesus, forever persecuted by the evil Liberals.  They make me sick, but there is such a thing as picking your battles.

    Just my 2 cents

    Message to Dems: We HAVE to start showing up for Midterms.

    by Jank2112 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:00:00 PM PDT

  •  There's not going to be a civil rights trial (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, andalusi

    There's not nearly enough evidence to prove Zimmerman killed Martin solely because of racial animus to even file charges...much less prove the case in court. If there was, the state would have used it in their case.

    And I frankly don't believe the Martin family attorneys want one. They want a civil trial.

    All this talk about Holder "reviewing" the case, which the FBI started investigating shortly after the incident occurred (and found nothing), is to try to pacify the people who are angry about this verdict.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:28:32 PM PDT

  •  I would much rather see him charged for (0+ / 0-)

    lying to dectives. I think that charge is infinitely more provable. I'm glad to see that his partner is being charged for her role in the money shuffling scheme. I think this may be a new trend. That's what they did get Casey Anthony on.

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