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Man of God Pat Robertson has never been one to leave his two cents out of any conversation, and he wants to make folks know that justice has been done in the shooting of a teenager for walking down the wrong sidewalk.
On Monday's episode of The 700 Club, Robertson complained that the media had mostly used photos of Trayvon Martin when he was younger.

"He was 17 and he was a fully-formed young African-American male," he explained "They've showed him as a little boy, like 12-year-old pictures."

Well of course you'd shoot him if he was a "fully-formed African-American." Ye gods.
["]This thing was not Emmett Till. This was a young man, who apparently jumped on a man who thought he was a quasi-policeman. And the two had a scuffle, and one of them shot the other one."

"Well, that's the way it was. So, why do we make such a big thing out of it?" Robertson asked. "Why don't we just chill out and say justice has been served, justice has been done?"

"We don't need to exacerbate the racial tension. What we need to do is love each other and live in harmony in this land and respect the rule of law."

Did Martin think he was a "quasi-policeman"? It doesn't seem so. From what we know, Martin thought he was a creepy, possibly violent man following him around the neighborhood. Zimmerman wasn't black, though, so apparently Martin doesn't get the same freedom to think that.

If you're beginning to notice that all of these people have the same reaction to the verdict—noting that Zimmerman had every right to suspect Martin because he was black and was wearing a "hoodie," and cheering that justice has been done because shooting an innocent black teenager is an understandable accident, nothing people shouldn't "chill out" about—you're right. The theme is pervasive. Zimmerman had an implicit right to "stand his ground" that Martin, as a black teenager, didn't.

Nugent, Robertson, Limbaugh, Cohen; the list goes on and on. This is how the law was intended to work. Certain classes of people getting shot on the sidewalks in the name of "justice" is the intended effect.

Originally posted to Hunter on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Robertson's only hope for (30+ / 0-)

    eternity is if the atheists are right, becasue if there is a just God and an after-life, Roberston's fate may make Dante's Inferno look like a vaction spa.  

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:46 AM PDT

    •  "Just us"?? (5+ / 0-)

      We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

      by The Marti on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 03:01:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Snap! (3+ / 0-)
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        Tonedevil, The Marti, kharma

        Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

        by orangecurtainlib on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:17:26 PM PDT

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      •  Stand your ground (3+ / 0-)
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        No one points out how Travon was standing his ground when he was shot.  It seems stand your ground laws just make it ok to prey on victims -- provided you use deadly force.  Only the shooter gets to claim he was standing his ground.

        Except for the black woman who got 20 years for shooting her gun in the air to ward off an abusive husband.

        Florida is seriously fuked up.

        Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

        by Helpless on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:02:35 PM PDT

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        •  It's been pointed out in several places, both here (2+ / 0-)
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          and in other media.  There are places, of course, where you won't hear it but that's hardly surprising.

          What offends me so is the implication that Trayvon was doing something wrong....just by being a 17 year old, walking home from the store.  He had as much right to be where he was as Zimmerman did...more in fact, as he wasn't stalking anyone or demanding they tell him what they were doing.

          And the woman who shot her ceiling probably would've gotten less time if she'd shot her stalker!

          These are the things we have to fix.
          Until we do, justice has not been served...it hasn't even been shown a table.

          We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

          by The Marti on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:19:08 PM PDT

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  •  Could be Pat's code-speak for suggesting they use (6+ / 0-)

    CO2 fire extinguishers on the protesters.

    Living the austerity dream.

    by jwinIL14 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:03:40 AM PDT

  •  The rule of law is a subterfuge for (16+ / 0-)

    people who want to evade moral responsibility for their actions.
    Remember that the law made the ownership of human being legal. Remember that men disciplining their wives and children is legal.
    That's all been true for a long time. Jesus Christ was sentenced to death according to the law and, like a modern day Rick Perry, Pontius Pilate washed his hands and deferred to the Sanhedrin.
    Humans are really good at shedding the responsibility that comes with free will. Subordinating themselves to the rule of an impersonal law is just one example. Blaming the victim is another. Islam puts all the blame on Allah.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:13:26 AM PDT

    •  Those who accept the Zimmerman (14+ / 0-)

      verdict as just because it was in accordance with the rule of law should never again criticize countries like Saudi Arabia for administering whippings to rape victims as that, too, is in accordance with the rule of law. The scrupulous application of barbaric laws does not equal justice.

    •  Exactly. Even the most unjust society has laws. (9+ / 0-)

      Here's an example of how racially diverse workers organizing was a threat to both capitalism and hierarchy in Jamestown:

      March 1661/2-ACT CII. Run-aways

      [This statute indicates that there were Africans who were not slaves in March 1661/2. The legislators continued to try to discourage white indentured servants from running away with enslaved blacks by increasing the punishment that a white man or woman would receive after their capture. After March 1661/2 a white servant who ran away with a black servant for life was responsible for additional service or a fine if a black person became lost or died while they were away from their master(s).]
      WHEREAS there are diverse loytering runaways in this country who very often absent themselves from their masters service and sometimes in a long time cannot be found, that losse of the time and the charge in the seeking them often exceeding the value of their labor: Bee it therefore enacted that all runaways that shall absent themselves from their said masters service shalbe lyable to make satisfaction by service after the times by custome or indenture is expired (vizt.) double their times of service soe neglected, and if the time of their running away was in the crop or the charge of recovering them extraordinary the court shall lymitt a longer time of service proportionable to the damage the master shall make appeare he hath susteyned, and because the adjudging the time they should serve is often referred untill the time by indenture is expired, when the proofe of what is due is very uncertaine, it is enacted that the master of any runaway that intends to take the benefitt of this act, shall as soone as he hath recovered him carry him to the next commissioner and there declare and prove the time of his absence, and the charge he hath bin at in his recovery, which commissioner thereupon shall grant his certificate, and the court on that certificate passe judgment for the time he shall serve for his absence; and in case any English servant shall run away in company of any negroes who are incapable of making satisfaction by addition of a time, it is enacted that the English soe running away in the company with them shall at the time of service to their owne masters expired, serve the masters of the said negroes for their absence soe long as they should have done by this act if they had not beene slaves, every christian in company serving his proportion; and if the negroes be lost or dye in such time of their being run away, the christian servants in company with them shall by proportion among them, either pay fower thousand five hundred pounds of tobacco and caske or fower yeares service for every negroe soe lost or dead.
      http://www.virtualjamestown.org/...

  •  Hey Robertson---Ever think it's (14+ / 0-)

    these fucked up laws that are exacerbating racial tension rather than those pointing them out?

    What we need to do is love each other and live in harmony in this land and respect the rule of law[."]like it was in 1850."
    Just helping him complete his thought.

    "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

    by CaliSista on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:16:45 AM PDT

  •  Ripped from the headlines... (1+ / 0-)
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    Barry Levinson says it won't fly - George Zimmerman vs Fiction:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:18:42 AM PDT

  •  One more voice in the (17+ / 0-)

    shame on Trayvon for living while black hallelujah chorus.

    If I believed in God, I'd ask him (or her) to save me from his followers. I'd also ask, if he ( or she) created everything, the point of creating Robertson is what exactly?

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:19:17 AM PDT

    •  I do believe in The Almighty; the best answers (2+ / 0-)
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      I can come up with, if it'll help--not that you asked me--are:

      "I'm not crazy about some of My followers, either.  Please convince them to worship some other god."
      and...
      "The point of creating Robertson was to give that spirit a chance to grow and attain enlightenment.  He blew it.  He is now an object lesson in how not to live an enlightened life for the rest of you.  All things serve God, in their fashion."
      Please don't throw veggies at me. !  ;-)  I'm just tryin' to find clues at the scene of the grime, just like the rest of yez.

      pax
      Marti

      We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

      by The Marti on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 03:13:06 PM PDT

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  •  As a black teenager, Trayvon had reached (11+ / 0-)

    the age of "SCARY". It is a right of passage that all white people look forward to. It is the day when people that scare the hell out of you for the color of their skin, the clothes that they wear, the way in which they walk, or the neighborhood that they're seen in, can be legally shot for such offenses.
    Trayvon made the mistake of NOT being 12 years old.
    Thanks Pat Robertson for your insightful observations. Did God put those thoughts in your head? Maybe you can give us another Bible verse that supports your lunacy......I'm waiting.


    Glottal fricative and breathy-voiced mid-low central unrounded vowel, repeated.

    by glb3 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:39:17 AM PDT

  •  I love it when Pat talks all hipster-jive-like. (5+ / 0-)

    "Chill out."

    How come he didn't end his little soliloquy with, "Damn coloreds!"

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:50:16 AM PDT

  •  Pat Robertson is a "quasi-man of God". (8+ / 0-)

    When Pat talks to God, God keeps telling him, "I don't need you to do that.”  Pat ignores those instructions, without fail.
    Pat should leave spiritual matters to the real professionals.


    Glottal fricative and breathy-voiced mid-low central unrounded vowel, repeated.

    by glb3 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 12:06:28 PM PDT

  •  "What we need to do is love each other" (3+ / 0-)
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    As long as you love someone approved by Pat.

    Marry the one you love, not the one a bigot says you're allowed to love.

    by lotac on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 12:12:53 PM PDT

  •  According to Rachel Jeantel... (1+ / 0-)
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    Trayvon thought Zimmerman might be a "gay rapist" or something like that. I'm surprised that Pay Robertson isn't more sympathetic towards Trayvon given his views on homosexuality. And the same applies to Rush Limpbaugh.

    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

    by HairyTrueMan on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 12:29:55 PM PDT

  •  Zimmerman must've known that TM was fully-formed (1+ / 0-)
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    Trayvon wasn't just hatched was he?

    Pat must have been watching Invasion of the Body-Snatchers, which is not real but is based on facts, that are also not real.

  •  The theme is indeed pervasive. (4+ / 0-)

    In fact, I've seen it repeated time and again here on DK.

    If you're beginning to notice that all of these people have the same reaction to the verdict—noting that Zimmerman had every right to suspect Martin because he was black and was wearing a "hoodie," and cheering that justice has been done because shooting an innocent black teenager is an understandable accident, nothing people shouldn't "chill out" about—you're right. The theme is pervasive.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 03:35:07 PM PDT

  •  fully-formed young African-American male (2+ / 0-)
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    Robertson is a fully-formed angry old White male.

    Why doesn't he do a Fall+well?

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:03:38 PM PDT

    •  ha. I try to imagine the look (1+ / 0-)
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      On Falwell's face when he is sent to hell because he was a preacher that always spat hate.
      Remember when he said New Orleans got hit by the hurricane because of teh gays?  
      I wonder what God said to him.
      Somethings like " Do you remember when I said loveceach other, and don't judge?".

      Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

      by snoopydawg on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:53:20 PM PDT

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      •  christianISTs don't listen to "God" (if exist)... (0+ / 0-)

        They have created a fully-formed sky god that acts the way they would like a "God" to act, smiting and stamping out those whom the christianISTs don't approve of.

        And that (engraving a description of a sky god on a page) is the technical description of Blasphemy.

        Fall+well was a fully-formed blasphemist.

        Ugh. --UB.

        "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

        by unclebucky on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 07:19:41 AM PDT

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  •  Ole Pat is gonna shit a brick when he finds out (4+ / 0-)
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    G-D is big muscular "fully formed" black man wearing a hoodie!

  •  Has Robertson ever read (4+ / 0-)
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    the New Testament (other than Revelations and Paul -- ok some other letters also)???

    Pseudo Christians should just stick to their schtick about Leviticus and anuses and leave the nigras out of their consideration.

    Fucking asshole.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:05:28 PM PDT

  •  The latest talking point (2+ / 0-)
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    from the racist contingent is that those who know that the laws are applied unfairly are making racism worse by pointing it out.

    That's really some convoluted thinking.

  •  If there's gonna be a presumptive shoot-on-sight (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, Helpless

    for certain groups of people ... can we at least put wife beaters INTO that group?  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:10:12 PM PDT

  •  Repeal that stupid law. It's not right. (1+ / 0-)
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    snoopydawg

    Oh my God! It's Pat Robertson, scary tele-evangelist walking towards me with a Bible in his hand! I must defend myself from him or he will send me to conservative hell!

    When will these morons, pretending to be human beings, get it through their thick skulls that EVERYONE is standing their ground in EVERY instance of a conflict. Fights, altercations, tussles, rumbles, and bar fights are all people "standing their ground". You simply need to put yourself in their shoes to see it. This law is simply an excuse to murder someone... period. And the vigilantes are using it on a daily basis to finish off people they deem not worthy of life. Some have axes to grind against individuals, some are just like Zimmerman and assuming by someone's clothing, race, sex that they are "up to no good". The law is wrong on so many levels. It is very likely to be in conflict with existing law as well, but no one seems to be able to bring that up to the high courts. Why is that?

    I am not inciting violence, but when these lily-white conservatives start dropping like flies with people using the "SYG" law as an excuse THEN you might see someone changing the law. We shouldn't need to wait until that happens. We need to think rationally in our system of checks and balances and repeal something this heinous to our legal system.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:13:21 PM PDT

  •  How can Robertson prersume to know what (1+ / 0-)
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    blukat

    T. Martin was thinking? He has no idea of the fear this young man felt at being stalked by a wanna-a-be- cop.

  •  Andy Harris, Teapublican from MD-01 (0+ / 0-)

    ... "Get over it." That is his take.

    Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

    by dadadata on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:14:44 PM PDT

  •  When did Robertson start thinking (3+ / 0-)
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    there was something wrong about the Emmet Till case? The same standard of justice was served there.

  •  An easy way to get "Stand your ground" repealed... (1+ / 0-)
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    Helpless

    From the court descriptions, it sounds like Travon's situation also would have justified Travon "standing his ground"... (he just did not have a gun.)

    So why not encourage outreach programs to make sure young minorities and immigrants were well versed on the SYG law (I'm sure ALEC and the NRA would be thrilled)

    and maybe hand out discount coupons for weapons (actually the NRA would love that)

    But I suspect the various ("No, it's not about race") state legislatures might revisit the law very quickly.

    The sad reality is that despite the fact SYG really would have applied to Trayvon as well, if he had wrested the gun away and GZ was killed, the verdict would have been completely different.

    Please call for repeal of the stupid SYG laws!

    "Post-hoc ergo proctor hoc" a logical fallacy, but to conservatives a philosophy

    by learn on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:20:14 PM PDT

  •  What would Pat Robertson say if it was (1+ / 0-)
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    snoopydawg

    Trayvon Martin that shot and killed the creepy neighborhood watch vigilante that was following him for no reason?

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:23:26 PM PDT

  •  Why are we getting daily takes (0+ / 0-)

    from known racists saying despicable things? I'd rather see daily FP stories about people standing up to racism - like Holder's NAACP speech or the sit ins going on in Florida.

  •  Anyone who says Trayvon looked like a "thug" (3+ / 0-)
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    should at least look at the definitive picture.  http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/...

    Yes it is the death photo, but it is not gory in any way, and I think its worth looking at.  

  •  Promoting White Supremacist Hoax Of Travon-Hulk (7+ / 0-)

    One of the biggest racist CTs is that TM was a huge intimidating thug, based on photos of other people.

    Like the "Sandy Hook Truthers" the "Travon Martin Truthers" immediately circulated pictures of other people.

    The goobers are convinced that TM was much bigger than GZ.

    The prosecution failed badly when it failed to use body doubles to demonstrate the difference in size between TM (autopsy report said 160 lbs) and GZ (police report said 195 lbs).

    Photos from 9 days before the shooting show TM as a very gangely kid who could wear a men's "medium" t-shirt. He had a girlish neck of maybe 13 inches, which I could have gotten a hand more than half way around.

    How could TM at 160# have pinned GZ who weighed 190# merely by sitting on him, especially since GZ had more than 6 months of MMA training in grappling and ground fighting?

    •  Dojo skills often don't relate to the street. (0+ / 0-)

      I knew a guy, successful financial/broker type, embodiment of manicured, white, entitled to push your buttons.

      He was a 2nd degree black belt, and delighted in taking a handshake, and moving to a jointlock and giving firm/hurtful but not damaging blows to the person he's greeting.

      "Second Degree Blackbelt".
      "My car, Seven-series".
      "Gucci".

      Prick.

      One afternoon The Prick left the brokerage, went to the ATM on the corner, and had his skull smashed by a skinny 15 year old with a speedy set of kicks, and a gym sock.  Working alone, now holding $300 in fresh Twenties.

      How'd it happen?  The gym sock contained a billiard ball, swung against The Prick's head like a nunchaku.
      That's the physical action, known as The MECHANISM of Injury.

      THE CAUSE of Injury - wasn't an assault, it was The Prick having his head up his ass, due to being "Second Degree Blackbelt".
      His kick-ass Dojo skills, his bad-ass handshake/jointlock/ribstrike will act as a magic talisman.  People will see his car, his briefcase, his shoes and go:

      Whoa, dude... that's a serious bad-ass/don't fuck with me kinda guy.  
      We should step-off before he does lasting harm to us... with merely an insult.
      My guess?  GZ always expected his weight, citizen patrol status, and yes... gun, to matter.  
      It doesn't matter when you're wearing a badge and uniform, which is why you wear a vest too.

      Otherwise:

      "There's a New Sheriff in Town boys.  Now git before I run ya in."

      Would play IRL, not just on B-movie Westerns.

      The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

      by 43north on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:17:43 PM PDT

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      •  I Had My Brown Belt At 14, 5'10", and 155 (0+ / 0-)

        That was TM's size. And when I went to judo tournaments I often got bumped into the adult medium weight class.   Full contact against someone that outweighs you by 20% pounds lasts about 10 seconds.

    •  Close--the police report listed his weight as 160, (0+ / 0-)

      but the probably more accurate autopsy report listed it as 158 lbs. With his height of 5'11", he was exceedingly slender. I'm two inches shorter and weigh 10 lbs more and all my friends think I'm a stick.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 02:26:29 PM PDT

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  •  Where does shooting a kid come into play in the (4+ / 0-)
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    "Love and chill" equation?

    We should all just accept what Pat Robertson says because he does not like to be contradicted, just like his god.

    I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong. Seldom turns out the way it does in this song.

    by mungley on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:30:01 PM PDT

  •  I have no objection to a man (2+ / 0-)
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    going free because of lack of evidence, even if many or most people feel he is guilty.

    It sucks in this case, but it beats the alternative in the grand scheme of things.

    We have enough people in prison already.  And true justice - in the broad, albeit not the individual sense, demands we insist on a high level of proof.  The State has the money, the manpower and the power.

    The question is, why are so few - or even no - accused black people afforded the luxury of the same standard?

    No, instead they are intimidated into taking plea deals.  And it's not like they aren't arrested in disproportionate numbers to begin with.

    Zimmerman's lawyers have not been paid, and probably never will be.  Would an average black defendant ever get so lucky as to get lawyers like that?

    Zimmerman only got so lucky because this was a high profile case.  No one, if they are not rich, should feel secure that they could get the defense we are all entitled to have.

    My problem is the DA's office and the Justice Department working exclusively for the prosecution.

    So all the weight of the State goes towards conviction, not justice.  Not the same thing at all.

    How many elected official's careers depend on not getting a conviction?

    Every attorney working in the DAs office should be required to work on both defense and prosecution, and promotions based on cases won on whatever side.  All the labs and investigatory tools should be open to both prosecution and defense.

    Then we might start getting some justice.

  •  Fully formed young African-American male? (2+ / 0-)
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    Guess we know what's still on Rev. Pat's mind.

  •  Ain't no love in what Zimmerman did (3+ / 0-)
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    Ain't no love in what Robertson says either.

  •  Pat Robertson. (0+ / 0-)

    In my circles, Pat Robertson is an extremist and a nut-job.

    Aren't we legitimizing this guy by publishing his opinions?  

    Why give space to nut-jobs?  They will always be there.  It discounts the work done here.  Anyone can knock down a straw man like Robertson.

    And despite our fears, he is a minority.   If it is anything that most Americans hate, it is moral uplifters.

  •  Right Wing summary of this (4+ / 0-)
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    "Can't we all not get along?".

  •  Trayvon Martin "apparently" jumped Zimmerman (1+ / 0-)
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    because Zimmerman said he did, sort of - he never actually testified. If it didn't happen that way, why didn't the fully formed African American male dispute it?
    Anyone who believes that you can slam a head into a sidewalk a couple dozen times & get nothing but a couple of nicks, that you can be pummeled in the face & get nothing but a bloody nose, has never been in a fight, or even fallen off a bike.
    "God's will," is what Zimmerman called it. God swill is what Robertson deals in.

    'Cause your eyes are tired & your feet are too & you wish the world was as tired as you." - Lowell George

    by rasbobbo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:43:58 PM PDT

  •  so since Pat is a fully formed racist idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    does that mean someone should shot him too?

    (and yes that's sarcasm)

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    I am what I am
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    by duhban on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:43:59 PM PDT

  •  Pat needs to find God. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:44:44 PM PDT

    •  Are you kidding? (3+ / 0-)
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      God has been dodging Pat for decades. The Almighty drops by my place and stays every now and then, but never stays more than one night, never uses the phone, never uses His email account.

      Would you want Pat Robertson following you and telling others he's doing YOUR bidding?

      © grover


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      by grover on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:53:10 PM PDT

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  •  Horrifying how comfortable they are with murder... (2+ / 0-)
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    Nugent, Robertson, Limbaugh, Cohen; the list goes on and on.
    ... the jury, the prosecution, the Zimmermans ...

    This was a good murder, a very proper lynching, a thing of beauty if you are a heartless, soulless, mindless fiend.

    Honesty is not a policy. It's a character trait.

    by Says Who on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:02:02 PM PDT

  •  pat's just echoing the voices of the gz fanclub (1+ / 0-)
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    here on dkos. check out the diaries disputing the verdict & you'll find the same names rec'ing the comments of anyone & everyone jumping to gz's defense -- as well as the defense attorneys who mercilessly ridiculed rachel jental (spelling?).

    funny, tho, how they never seem to show up in a diary like this. their silence speaks volumes, doesn't it?

  •  It gets worse (1+ / 0-)
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    I haven't seen any discussion of it here, but the new talking point is that heads should roll because poor George Zimmerman was charged with a crime in the first place.

    Money doesn't talk it swears.

    by Coss on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:05:58 PM PDT

    •  Heads rolling. (0+ / 0-)

      Look, I think GZ is guilty as hell.

      But I read a load of legal blogs and all-well almost all-said the GZ case was weak.   The main problem was that there was no direct evidence surrounding the 4 minutes that Trayvon's death occurred.  The only eyewitness who saw the fight (not the start) claimed Trayvon was on top.  

      Remember, all the legal guys remind us that the law is not a morality play but a logic play.

      Now the cops in Sanford might have done their job very poorly and been bigots and this is a huge problem. But other cops could have been bought in.

      But here is how are system works.  The cops get enough evidence and work with the prosecutor to make sure they can nail the guy.  In this sense, GZ was charged too early.  The cops were off the case and an outside prosecutor was bought in.  This outside prosecutor was good-Bernie has lost only 2 cases our of 80 (including this one)!  The case sucked on a legal basis.

      In this sense, political pressure to arrest GZ hurt TM.  Normally, cops and prosecutors don't bring cases they don't expect to win.  In this sense, I am ticked at the Al Sharpton's of the world-if we took the time to get more evidence TM's memory would be honored.

      A great example of the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

      •  People are executed with less evidence (1+ / 0-)
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        There are people in prison for life based solely on eye witness testimony. No body, no weapon, nothing but someone saying s/he witnessed a crime.

        We know he followed and killed the kid, to argue there was no case is really quite insane.

        Money doesn't talk it swears.

        by Coss on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:13:32 PM PDT

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  •  What happened to thou shalt not kill? (3+ / 0-)
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    Fuck him. Doesn't pertain to this case?

  •  I read this sentence differently than diarist does (1+ / 0-)
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    This was a young man, who apparently jumped on a man who thought he was a quasi-policeman.
    I read it:  This was a young man[Martin], who apparently jumped on a man[Zimmerman] who thought he[Zimmerman] was a quasi-policeman.

    Hunter writes:  

    Did Martin think he was a "quasi-policeman"? It doesn't seem so. From what we know, Martin thought he was a creepy, possibly violent man following him around the neighborhood.

    The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

    by DSPS owl on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:09:44 PM PDT

  •  Pres. Carter on the verdict: 'the right decision' (0+ / 0-)
    Former Pres. Jimmy Carter speaks on Zimmerman acquittal
    Jul 16, 2013

    During the interview, Carter went on-the-record, for the first time, concerning the Zimmerman Trial.

    "I think the jury made the right decision based in the evidence presented because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman and that he was not defending himself and so forth. It's not a moral question, it's a legal question and the American law requires that the jury listens to the evidence presented."

    Carter thinks the verdict will stand because it cant be appealed as a criminal case.

    Here's the thing for people to think about. Had GZ been black and TM was himself, these professional race-baiters and selective-agitators like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would not have been found anywhere near the scene, even though the dead victim would still have been the same person. Thus, their actions were purely determined by the color of GZ's skin, and that's racism by itself. So much for claims of "civil rights" activism.

    And the continued witch hunt of GZ (including by BHO and Holder's DOJ, as we speak), even though no shred of evidence has been found (by anyone, including the FBI after interviewing some 40 odd people) that he's a racist of any kind, and even after he's been found not guilty in a court of law for the criminal charge he faced (GZ's claim of self-defense stands un-disproven after 16 months of legal prosecution as well as, in effect, media/social persecution on the basis of the color of his skin), amounts in effect to gross violation of GZ's own civil rights.

  •  Give it a month (0+ / 0-)

    I predict Zimmerman will have a target on his back and chest every time he wanders outside for the rest of his miserable life. Some dumbass gangster will pop a proverbial cap in his ass. I hope it's caught on a Youtube video llike that asshole in Milwaukee!

  •  John Chapter 8, Pat Robertson Edition: (0+ / 0-)

    1. Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

    2. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

    3. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a WOMAN TAKEN IN ADULTERY; and when they had set her in the midst,

    4. They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

    5. Now MOSES IN THE LAW COMMANDED US, THAT SUCH SHOULD BE STONED: but what sayest thou?

    6. This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].

    7. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, "Go ahead and stone the slut."

    8. And they did.  And there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth at the horrible sight from bystanders and family.

    9.  And Jesus said to them, "Why don't you chill out?  Justice has been served."

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    by Hatrax on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:27:37 PM PDT

  •  SKIN (2+ / 0-)

    SUSPICION


    MURDER

    We don't get to choose how we come into this world; not our mother, not our father, not the education of our parents, and certainly not their level of income. Neither do we get to choose which country we are born in, what culture we will be raised in, or the racial makeup of our body. We have to live with the skin we are born in.
    Why does it have to be so damn hard?


    Glottal fricative and breathy-voiced mid-low central unrounded vowel, repeated.

    by glb3 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 08:21:26 PM PDT

  •  The defense (0+ / 0-)

    played the jury, and all of white America apparently, like a violin. Karl Rove could learn a lesson from these guys.

    They knew that if SYG was used during the trial, there was nothing stopping the prosecution from slamming them hard with Martin standing HIS ground. And they could lose. So they went for the old, tried and true, self-defense plea. "A scary negro attacked civilized me! I was only respectfully questioning him and he punched me! Then he tried to kill me! I was afraid for my life!" And so the whole trial became about the victimhood of poor George Zimmerman.

    And, the coup de grace, was of course that SYG is now embedded in Florida homicide law, so while it wasn't used in the trial, SYG language WAS used in the jury instructions and played a huge role in the jury thinking "well there's nothing in the law that we can use to convict him."

    Brilliant. Sinister and evil, but brilliant.

    "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (March, 1866)

    by Blood on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 08:26:15 PM PDT

  •  The sad thing is... (0+ / 0-)

    Justice was done at the trial. A jury honestly weighed the charges against George Zimmerman, and did not feel the evidence proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, had the police actually investigated this as if it was a potential murder, instead of doing a minimal investigation and calling it self defense, the prosecutor might have had evidence to go beyond that doubt.

    Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

    by rhonan on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:23:56 PM PDT

  •  To get these people to think, (0+ / 0-)

    I propose that we start a campaign encouraging the NRA to arm Black teenagers so that they can stand their ground.

    I'm betting that people who favor SYG and/or shooting Black teenagers always imagine themselves as armed and the person that their shooting as unarmed.  If we call their attention to the fact that it doesn't have to be that way, maybe they will rethink their position.  

  •  I'm still waiting for the NRA (0+ / 0-)

    to issue a statement that ALL blacks should have the right per the Constitution to carry their own weapons. Along the lines of, "If Trayvon had been carrying it would have been a fair fight".

    That way Trayvon could have properly "stood his ground" against Georgie .... may the best marksman win, and be exonerated (sure).

    Everyone knows you don't bring concrete to a gun fight.

    And a big plus is --- they can sell more guns!!!

    Pure snark -- I'm just disgusted with the entire episode.

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    by Da Rock on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 05:54:23 AM PDT

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