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Are we still the leading light when it comes to anti-science creationist nonsense? Maybe, there is a reason Australian transplant Ken Ham opened his creationist theme park in the U.S. But cast your eye down under, where our southern friends not only celebrate Christmas in summer, the heathens, they're increasingly, willfully ignorant:

The number of 18-24 year olds who knew the Earth took a year to orbit the sun dropped from 74 per cent in 2010 to 62 per cent in 2013. They still did better than women overall on that question. Only half the women answered it correctly compared to 68 per cent of men.

Generally men, young people or people with a higher education level did best. Seventy per cent knew evolution was still occurring and 73 per cent believed people were influencing the evolution of other species. Some didn't believe in evolution. The encouraging news was that more Australians, 73 per cent up from 70 per cent in 2010, knew dinosaurs and humans did not live at the same time.

Pfft, nice try Aussies! But you have a ways to go to catch up to the one, the only, the numero uno willfully ignorant western nation on earth!
  • Speaking of Australian transplants, the willful ignorance and duplicity of Fox News is well established. I guess ABC felt left out?
    By choosing Jenny McCarthy to be a host on "The View", ABC made a decision that could end up costing lives--even worse, the lives of children.
  • It's too bad the usual suspects don't believe in evo, if we keep dumping fossil fuel emissions into the air, there's gonna be a lot of it. But then they don't "believe in" that either.
  • Star Scientific: not exactly scientific, but a rising star in the Governor Ultrasound scandal:
    In other words, Williams and his company have had financial ties to Virginia’s past three attorneys general, and its past three Republican gubernatorial nominees. And one of those former attorneys general is now his lawyer. (McDonnell served as attorney general from 2006 to 2009.)
  • Astrophysicists are quick to note that gold is rare because it's only made in supernova explosions. Actually, the gold on earth may be even rarer and have an even more violent origin than that!
  • Had I simply ventured outside a few days ago here in Austin, there would have been indisputable proof of supernatural beings right outside my door!
    Make now mistake about what is happening; this is raw Satanic sewage coming up out of Hell.  The sewer pipes of Hell have broken open and this is raw hate against Jesus Christ, against God, against the Bible, against righteous men and women, against life, against anything that is good and decent.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by SciTech.


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  •  Fox News is proof that evolution doesn't work (12+ / 0-)

    and that there can't possibly be a god, because if he did exist, he'd have smitten the damn thing into infernal damnation by now.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:16:06 AM PDT

  •  I'm surprised no one has blasted God (7+ / 0-)

    for giving women tits and creating evil lust in men's hearts.  Or something.  God, BTW, is the most prolific abortion provider ever, flushing uncounted millions of defective but holy and living babies a year.  Someone needs to shut down THAT clinic tout suite.  

    In other news, Rush Limbaugh found an excuse to say ni**er on the air.  Taking bets on how long it takes some Republican politicians to slip up and forget they're being recorded.  

    I keep thinking they can't get crazier or more openly bigoted and they keep surprising me.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:17:29 AM PDT

  •  I was just thinking about "Satanic sewage" the (7+ / 0-)

    other day, but then who doesn't?  I was thinking that it was self-igniting and self-destructing sewage, the next big thing.

    As for the Texas women protesters who want to push back against the rightwing efforts to reclaim white male supremacy via the elimination of women's reproductive resources, they realize that letting these fools go unchallenged is just what makes the stale and pale old white men think they are winning and thereby encourages them to press on in their march toward the New Dark Ages.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:20:36 AM PDT

    •  Those folks already live in their own Dark Ages... (4+ / 0-)

      ...and they are welcome to them ... for themselves.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:39:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Rick Wiles screed (5+ / 0-)

      was incitement to riot. Nothing less.

      Just as George Zimmerman decided that his victim was a threat to him deserving of death, so do these scumbags decide that, "Well they're all coming to kill me, I have a RIGHT to "defend" myself by going out and killing a bunch of "Obamanistas" first."

      These festering nut bags are deeply paranoid and violent sociopaths. They are just waiting for enough excuses to pile up and their violent rage to be "justified" before they begin wholesale slaughter. They know what they want and comments like Wiles' are just projection as justification: "I want desperately to kill THEM, so they MUST want to kill ME so I am allowed by God to kill them first."

      •  and that's the scarey part (3+ / 0-)
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        myboo, Dogs are fuzzy, RiveroftheWest

        they want it.

      •  Vile religionists (2+ / 0-)
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        judyms9, RiveroftheWest
        "Obamanistas" are just biding their time until they can carry out a "mass slaughter of Christian"
        These demons weren't hiding behind bushes, they were out in the street; they were in the streets possessing the people who were demanding the right to murder babies.
        They are literally demonizing people that they disagree with. Stoking fear of being murdered by "demons". This is one of the things I find so very vile about the religious. So much religious preaching is inherently divisive and hateful.

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 07:48:01 AM PDT

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        •  Delusional paranoid sociopaths (2+ / 0-)
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          Hiding behind the skirts of religion.

          Face it, if some guy stood up in a bar and said this stuff, he'd get laughed down or arrested. Pretend you're a man of "god," and you can say any psychotic shit you want.

          Twenty years ago, Rick Wiles would be a mumbler on the streets of New York, "Mumble, mumble, DEMONS, mumble, mumble, Comina killya!, mumble, mumble, Millennium hand and shrimp! I tole ya! I tole ya!" Arrrgh, SPAT! Ptui.

          Nowadays, he's a "respected" main stream "religious" leader.

    •  I just love me some raw stuff... (1+ / 0-)
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      If you do too, then check out this flik called The Devils...where church and state are one.
      A Ken Russell classic & one of the best movies Evah!

      Be certain to get the complete movie at ~148 minutes, with the Rape of Christ and other censored scenes included. The theatrical version almost makes no sense because of the missing parts. I can't find where to buy this movie but a tor is available at

      Grandier: Lies! Lies and heresy. The Devil is a liar, and the father of lies. If the Devil's evidence is to be accepted, the most virtuous people are in the greatest of danger, for it against these that Satan rages most violently. I had never set eyes on Sister Jeanne of the Angels until the day of my arrest, but the Devil has spoken, and to doubt his word is sacrilege.

      Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

      by olo on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 12:38:56 PM PDT

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  •  2 stars collide.... (3+ / 0-)

  •  Howdy stranger (6+ / 0-)

    Josh and Jes Glacier
    Hope you are feeling better theses days.



    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:28:17 AM PDT

  •  ?? test (2+ / 0-)
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    Posted a comment that is not showing up.

    When I check my comments stream, it shows that I made a comment, but when click to view it, I am getting an error message.


    Try again- Hi DS!

    Josh and Jes Glacier

    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:32:14 AM PDT

  •  When they asked people the length of time (4+ / 0-)

    it took the Earth to orbit the Sun, and they replied one year, did they follow up and ask whether by "one year" they meant a seasonal year, a calender year, a sidereal, tropical, or anomalistic year?

    I get confused because you raise the issue of collisions which I expect affect orbits and both the Earth and the Sun have a lot of them over the course of a year. A sidereal year is defined as the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun and return to the same spot, but while the Earth is orbiting the Sun, the Sun and its solar system are orbiting the Galaxy, completing its orbit roughly once every 225 million years, and meanwhile the Milky Way Galaxy is moving, headed for a collision with Andromeda in about 4 billion years

    Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

    by rktect on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:34:57 AM PDT

    •  We're going to crash into andromeda! (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Interestingly, although the galaxies collide (0+ / 0-)

        nothing in either galaxy is expected to collide with anything else except maybe the supermassive black holes in their centers.

        The galaxies are about 100,000 light years in diameter and the stars themselves are on average 4,150 light years apart. In our universe there are are about 1.4 stars per 100 billion cubic light-years.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 09:15:25 AM PDT

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        •  True (0+ / 0-)

          Though many stars may pass close enough to other stars to cause gravitational disturbances. Minor stuff like planets being thrown out of their orbits to either crash into their suns or another planet, or float free in empty space.

          The collision will take hundreds of millions of years and likely result in a combination of a new elliptical galaxy consisting of most of the stars in both and a few minor clusters of a few million stars orbiting the larger new galaxy.

          Really, the point of my silly comment was, where ya gonna run to? And since the human race will be long extinct in 4 billion years, will whatever creatures then inhabiting the earth even have legs to run with?

  •  Whow! Constitutionally protected hate speech ... (3+ / 0-)

    ... online and on the airwaves, no less!

    According to "End Times radio host Rick Wiles":

    ... "Obamanistas" are just biding their time until they can carry out a "mass slaughter of Christian[s]."
    Bible-thumping End Times prophesizers are out there hyperventilating in high dudgeon. And for Goodness' sake, let's not have any of that there "critical thinking" going on what challenges the beliefs we learnt to hold so dear.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:38:18 AM PDT

  •  NCGA: "Science... pfft!" (4+ / 0-)

    Has any other state assembly actually passed legislation making science illegal besides NC's though?  Last year, our esteemed legislators passed a bill that made it illegal to use evidence of the current estimates of sea level rise in development plans for coastal areas.  Of course that didn't stop 'em from taking of limits on the number of jetties and terminal groins that can be built on our barrier islands.  So maybe they're bigger believers than they let on.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:42:20 AM PDT

  •  Wrong take on McCarthy (1+ / 0-)
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    A couple of things come to mind.

    1.  McCarthy is already speaking out and well-publicized, generally in fora with no push back.  On The View, there will be push back.

    2. Statements like this get tiresome:

    is that for the overwhelming majority of people
    The overwhelming majority of people don't matter if your kid is the one who gets hurt.  How sweet of our government to accept a little collateral damage here and then to berate the parents whose kids are damaged and those parents who are afraid for their own children.

    Vaccines are a good thing. Maybe a little honesty and effort would also ber a good thing.

    How about sharing actual information about the kinds of things that happen to a small number of children?  Maybe a little bit of research into why those children are affected?  Plenty of big-money research being done on the genetic component of cancer and other ailments.  Maybe we could develop some decent screening tests and avoid having to say "Sorry we broke your child" even a few times?

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 06:51:00 AM PDT

    •  We (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Aquarius40, myboo, RiveroftheWest

      could spend a lot of money doing a lot of things. But even if a substantial majority wanted that and we got our priorities better organized, it's moot, this congress won't ever allow it. One thing I've learned in this business, the only way you change anything is by winning elections, lots of them, with overpowering margins and clear majorities, and even then you'll have to scream, threaten, and drag some of those winners, some of the very same ones you voted for and bankrolled, over the finish line on every last goddamn thing.

      •  A little further examination provided a decent (0+ / 0-)

        source of information put out by the HRSA.

        First, a table of known injuries associated with vaccines:

        And a table of claims/payouts since 1988:

        A couple of interesting notes:

        The number of claims filed is reasssuringly low -- though one wonders how many people are even aware of the program -- and the number of claims actually paid out is only about 25% of the total.  Nevertheless, that's about 2.7 billion in awards and attorneys' fees in 25 years, or about $100 million a year.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 09:33:46 AM PDT

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  •  We Homo sapiens may have to agree (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Aunt Pat, cybersaur, RiveroftheWest

    with Creationists, who don't believe they're related to the life forms of Earth.

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 07:09:30 AM PDT

  •  Gold (3+ / 0-)

    I have seen this article floating around, and I am not sure what the significance is.  If I recall, the heaviest element created in Stellar nucleosynthesis is Iron(z=26).  Supernova nucleosynthesis creates all the elements up to and maybe a bit beyond lead, the element with the heaviest stable isotope. This includes gold.

    What is different about gold, as compared say to silver, is that it has one stable isotope.  Silver has two stable isotopes.  Also with silver the isotopes seem to be very stable, while gold might decay.  So while silver is essentially a mix of 52%/48% of the two isotopes, gold is essentially 100% one isotope.

    •  A lot of elements (0+ / 0-)

      that are observationally stable are expected to decay at very slow rates (like that bismuth-209 you mentioned does).  Just extraordinarily slowly.

      I see a note for gold-197 that says it's expected to alpha decay to iridium-193, but "expected" implies we haven't observed it yet and the decay is probably very, very rare.

      If you can't call something that lasts quadrillions of years on average "stable" in the human sense, I'm not sure what you can call stable.  :-)  In the long-range universal sense they may not be, but if you piled up tons of the stuff and still have tons of the stuff when the sun burns out, it's stable.

      (-6.38, -7.03) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

      by Lonely Liberal in PA on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 09:32:53 AM PDT

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    •  Red giant cookers (0+ / 0-)

      Even without a supernova, some stars kick elements up the periodic table one neutron at a time and spray them out in stellar winds. Google "s process".

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 09:59:02 AM PDT

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  •  Per cent (0+ / 0-)

    Is that per cent of funding?  Or is that just how they read percent down under?

  •  Nucleosynthesis in stars is (1+ / 0-)
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    Lonely Liberal in PA

    proven scientific fact.
    During their lifetimes stars produce mostly helium until their deaths. In stars much more massive than our sun the most important elements produced are carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen. In the years leading up to the death of high mass stars all elements up to nickel and iron are produced.
    During the moments when a high mass star explodes in a supernova all elements heavier than iron are created.

    The willfully ignorant tea party republicans whether they live in the US or Australia will continue to spew their bullshit much like a supernova spews out its contents. However, we can be sure that a super nova is reality while the tea party republicans when they start foaming at the mouth like a supernova are fantasy.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 09:34:20 AM PDT

  •  What first attracted me the Australian side was (0+ / 0-)

    their hats.

    Honesty is not a policy. It's a character trait.

    by Says Who on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 10:00:06 AM PDT

  •  Gold (0+ / 0-)

    The news reports referring to the origin of gold as resulting from neutron star collisions misses a significant point. The original paper (ApJ Goriely, et al )describes simulation work that accounts for a 2x discrepancy in the observed abundance of gold. The workers go on to suggest that their model produces abundances of other elements that apparently match observation.  New Scientist

    I'd like to point out that the nucleosynthetic r-process from supernovae wherein the heavy elements may be produced has not been thrown out. There may be more than one type of event that produces the heavy elements.

    Simulations do not produce data. Simulations do help to provide useful insights into the influences of multiple parameters on the overall phenomenon. Simulations can resemble reality, but they shouldn't be mistaken for reality. The notion that the ejecta from neutron star collisions alone account for the observed cosmic abundances of heavy elements is quite premature.

  •  Dept of Energy find no contamination (0+ / 0-)

    caused by hydraulic fracturing operation in research
    study done on a directionally drilled natural gas well in Pennsylvania shale formation.

    Note to Gasland viewers -- 'hydraulic fracturing' or 'fracking' are not terms which is used appropriately and scientifically to name either the totality of oil and gas industry operations or a subset of those operations which are not hydraulic fracturing.

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