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There's been quite a bit written about whether George Zimmerman's actions on the night he killed Trayvon Martin may or may not have been racially motivated. The FBI is now beginning to look into that after the failure of the State Prosecution, but one witness I suspect they may seriously need to talk to is the mysterious Witness #9, who actually came forward and talked to prosecutors just two days after the shooting, even though George had not been charged with a crime, because she suspected he'd done it for racial reasons after many many interactions with George's mother.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

"I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black,” the witness told investigators. “Because growing up they’ve always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white and other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people.

The woman said that Zimmerman’s Peruvian mother was among the more boastfully racist of the clan.

“His mother protested it very loud,” the woman said. During one incident, the woman said that Zimmerman’s mother had come to the witness’s workplace, and during a discussion about President Obama, made it clear how she felt about him and his ethnicity.

“I don’t like Obama,” the woman claimed Zimmerman’s mother stated. “She said, 'because he is black and I am a racist.'”

“I have a black girl that works right behind me and I’m like, what, are you just, let's go, and I kind of just swept her in the back,” the woman recalled. “I can’t believe that she stood there so loud and proud and said that she was a racist.”

This explains how George Zimmerman could mentor a set of black kids (some of the good ones) and still run around chasing "Those Assholes" and "Punk/Coons" who always get away.

A lot of talk about Witness 9 has focused on her allegations that George molested her from the age of 9, but I'm going to leave that aside.  It's only relevance is that according to her, George was capable of hiding every aspect of his secret advances on her using charm and a pleasant demeanor to make her dad feel that George was the "son he never had".

Many have pondered that her father may have been the uncle who testified that as soon as he heard the Lauer 9-11 call "I knew it was Georgie."

As result of George's close relationship with he dad, she knew they'd never believe it if she ever told them.  But eventually she did tell them and there was a confrontation with George where he didn't exactly admit to everything - he did however say them "I'm Sorry" and then left. (This is included in the audio provided at Huffington Post)

Add to this the fact that we know George is an expert at deception as we saw him and his wife lie to the court about his ability to pay bail without showing a trace of deception.

Getting back to the racism charges it appear that Witness #9 was not alone in bringing this point up. George's ex-fiance confirmed these allegations about George's Mother.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

At family gatherings, she said, much of the conversation centered around "financial status and material things." Zimmerman's mother would often talk about "marrying into white families in order to improve one's status." But the woman said Zimmerman never got along with his mother and that the women in his family "exercised a lot of control over" him.

At one point, the woman told investigators, after she'd gotten into a particularly heated argument with his mother, Zimmerman retaliated by turning off the electricity to his mother's house. "[Zimmerman] locked the electrical box and departed leaving his mother without electricity," according to the report.

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So it's not just one person saying this, it's two.  Now this doesn't necessarily mean that George himself is a bigot, because it appears he and his mother - have been estranged for some time according to his ex-fiance and family friends.
Zimmerman was estranged from his mother and other members of his family, according to the report. His mother was "very strict and dominant" the friend told investigators. "His father did not discipline and did not stick up for the kids as they were abused by their mother."
So we have a fairly dysfunctional arrangement here. One which may have been part of what led to the physical violence between George and his ex.
"Zimmerman began to exhibit overly protective and territorial behavior," she said. At one point he agreed to go to counseling, and did so each week for a year. Then one day as the two were driving back from a session, she said he hit her in the mouth because she was chewing gum. In a later incident that occurred after the pair had separated, the woman said that Zimmerman became physically aggressive after she refused to let him stay the night at her apartment. The two began pushing each other and at one point he pushed her to the bed, according to earlier reports.

The next day she filed an injunction against him.

In retrospect, the woman told FBI agents, Zimmerman's relationship with his family, and his mother in particular, was the source of a lot of his torment.

Going beyond George's mom we have his dad who claims "he never thought of race" until the trial and now all of sudden he can see nothing but Racism Coming from Black People.
Previously, Zimmerman Sr. “believed generally racism was a thing of the past.” He says that, personally, he hadn’t encountered much racism, even though his wife is Hispanic. But after his son shot and killed Trayvon Martin, however, Zimmerman learned that racism is “flourishing at the insistence of some in the African American Community.” He then goes on to list various black leaders and organizations that he believes are racist:

    Congressional Black Caucus. “[A] pathetic, self-serving group of racists… advancing their purely racist agenda.” He later adds that “all members of Congress should be ashamed of the Congressional Black Caucus, as should be their constituents.” And finally: “They are truly a disgrace to all Americans.

    The NAACP “[S]imply promotes racism and hatred for their own, primarily finical, interests” and “without prejudice and racial divide, the NAACP would simply cease to exist.”

    NAACP President Benjamin Jealous. “[W]hat I would expect of a racist.”

    Trayvon Martin’s funeral director. A “racial activist and former head of the local NAACP.

    Benjamin Crump, Natialie Jackson and Darrly Parks, attorneys for Travyon Martin’s family. “The scheme team.

    The National Basketball Players Association.

    Black Chamber of Commerce.

    National Association of Black Law Enforcement Officers.

    National Black United Fund.

    United Negro College Fund.

So, we're supposed to believe, despite the several witnesses who talked to prosecutors (meaning if they were lying, they're potentially subject to Perjury Charges just as so many claim Rachel Jeantel was for lying about why she didn't go to Trayvon's funeral) that two different witnesses independently confirm that his Wife Is an Admitted Racist, but that somehow he "hasn't been exposed to much racism"?

He's married to Racism.  That Racism raised his kids.

And then, and then, we're supposed to believe he came to this view that "All the Racists are Black" just suddenly? Just now?  If this is such a brand new idea to him, how did he muster up enough thoughts about it to Publish His Own E-Book on the subject?

Florida v. Zimmerman: Uncovering the Malicious Prosecution of my Son, George

And then you have Robert Zimmerman Jr. whose comments seem to eerily echo those of his father when it comes to accusing black people of being "Race Hustlers" in the direct aftermath of the verdict.

http://youtu.be/...

Robert Zimmerman Jr at 5:51: These people who I think exploited very pure grief, and other Race Profiteers like the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton - I wouldn't give them a hug, but I would give [Sybrina Fulton & Tracy Martin] a hug.
The one indicator that we have that George himself may not have assimilated these types of attitudes as expoused by his mother, father and now brother is the fact that one witness who talked to prosecutors about George included a co-worker of his who said George relentlessly and mercilessly taunted him Racially for days and days.
Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”

There's also another interesting tidbit about George's habits.

After a few months, Zimmerman was terminated. According to the witness, “he was fired for calling HR hotline so many times…he would complain about each and every manager and employee.
Just like he would call the police non-emergency line - time after time after time - to complain about the "those assholes" and "punks" who always managed to be Black Kids, in his neighborhood.

Conclusive evidence of Racism on his part in the killing of Trayvon Martin?  Possibly not enough for a Civil Rights Conviction, but if Trayvon can be Convicted In Death for being a "Thug" on the basis of some smack-talking text messages and a fight video  (where he seems to be breaking up the fight at the end) it does seem to be a good place to start an Civil Rights investigation and begin to dig deeper into George's Life.

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4:52 PM PT: The DOJ Has established a Tip Line for those with information on possible Civil Rights Violations by George Zimmerman, so in the end, they don't seem to be limiting themselves just to this case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/...

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov

5:49 PM PT: I don't believe this is guilt by association, it's an examination of the environment George was raised in.  It's possible that part of George's estrangement with his mother is because he differs with her on this issue.  That does seem to be the source of his tension with is ex-fiance, who as I understand it was a Latina, someone who Glady's wouldn't have approved of.  Still, it may be telling the George ultimately married a White GIrl, so mother ideas may have had some influence or they may not.  What strikes me most is, as with many families with racists streaks, they've learned to hide it well.  That may be true of George too, as he apparently his advances on his cousin quite well. This isn't conclusive, but it probably worth investigating as the DOJ is now with their tip line.

 Many families have both secrets, and lies.

7:36 PM PT: If you can I really suggest you listen to the interviews by Witness #9 (the Cousin) and Witness #22 (the ex-coworker), but of them describe a George Zimmerman of many sides and many faces. One who was cold and predatory with them, but congenial and gregarious with others, ingratiating himself with them and disguising his other "face" so well that Witness #22 said..

When confronted by the Managers he was so smooth and self-assured, I almost doubted myself.  "Did I get this guy wrong?"
That's one twisted Fucker right there.  Very likely this is the George we saw in the police interviews and walk-thru, a practiced, accomplished, sociopathic Liar. When you add in George's history of domestic violence and attacking an undercover cop, and then lying about to get off, "I didn't hear him say he was a Cop"- although the Officer said that George told him "I don't care who you are" when he identified himself, and his History of "Snapping" and throwing a woman against a wall, when he was a bouncer - if the DOJ brings all cards in the deck, this could be a humdinger.

Let's compare all that to some text messages and a video those show a school yard fight that Trayvon seems to STOP, by intervening and standing between the combatants at the end.


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