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  •  New post (3+ / 0-)

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:01:35 PM PDT

  •  I use Bing for the pics on the home page. (0+ / 0-)

    But what's with joining up with Inhofe?

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:03:35 PM PDT

    •! (5+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude, ROGNM, leema, cybersaur, Andy Cobb

      My favorite search engine, even if my 7-year-old son mocks me for not using Google.

      "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

      by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:09:02 PM PDT

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    •  This video fails badly, right at the start. (0+ / 0-)

      It confused me, because it wasn't stated explicitly at the outset that Bing's results were on the left side of the screen, and Google's results (or the parody thereof) were on the right side of the screen.

      This wasn't immediately and instantly apparent (which is critical in comedy), and it's never stated with explicit clarity with a phrase like "On the left we have Bing's results, and on the right we have Google's". They only say "on the left here..." without saying the left side is Bing, and "on the right here..." they say there's a picture of a polar bear and leprechaun, without stating that this is supposed to be google's result.

      If it happened to me, it will likely happen to many others, destroying the effectiveness of what would otherwise been a really wonderful parody of google's bullshit.

      You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty.
      - Jessica Mitford

      by Swampfoot on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:58:17 PM PDT

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      •  The phrase was "other search engines", not Bing!, (0+ / 0-)

        because actually mentioning Bing's name could raise all sorts of copyright issues. They're skating close to the edge as it is.

        In fact, given how the pages are displayed, the case could be made that it was the other search engines who carried the silly pictures. Having been subjected to the Bing commercials every time I watch Maddow and Hayes on MSNBC, I'd be as likely to think it's a direct spoof of the Bing commercials, and against Bing rather than Google, if I weren't primed about the topics in advance.

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 04:23:15 PM PDT

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        •  A most reasonable premise (2+ / 0-)
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          serendipityisabitch, ClimateBrad

          We were actually avoiding invoking Bing just cause we didn't want to make it about Bing--not necessarily a more ethical alternative--and wanted to keep the focus on Google and their misdeeds. I'm not too worried about ad copyrights, invoking "satire" and "fair use" gives one a lot of flexibility. I was relying in folks to be familiar with the "Bing it on" campaign you mentioned to understand out premise, without invoking it explicitly. Thanks for watching!

          •  As long as you're here - the main problem I have (0+ / 0-)

            with it is that it's much, much too subtle. Yes, I know that after the comparisons you bring up why you did the spoof, but it only works with an intelligent and informed audience, because otherwise the main reaction I see to the follow-on is "huh?".

            I think you need a solid lead-in that makes the associations much more starkly - maybe 5 seconds worth of banner, or something.

            At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

            by serendipityisabitch on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 05:24:21 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for the valuable input (1+ / 0-)
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        I've been wondering what "Swampfoot" would think, at last I know. I admire your passion.

  •  That does it. Now it's everyman his own search (0+ / 0-)


    If your mind isn't bent and warped by now, just wait till I get through with it.  

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:04:43 PM PDT

  •  So while they "Don't Do Evil" ,Google Apparently (8+ / 0-)

    does Stupid with amazing frequency

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:05:24 PM PDT

  •  Reccing for now; have to see it myself though. (0+ / 0-)

    Skeptic, you know.

    -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

    Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

    by 84thProblem on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:05:27 PM PDT

  •  My Big Question: (0+ / 0-)

    Are there structural problems in our political system, or is the structure fine, and it's simply a matter of 'more and better Democrats' (that is, representatives who improve programs, protect rights, and nominate and confirm better Supremes)?

    If the latter, what are the best ways to get more and better Dems? Donating, rallying, volunteering? Basically more (and better) of the same?

    If the former, what structural issues need fixing? And how might we go about fixing them?

    (Just in case anyone wants to Fix The World on this Monday afternoon ...)

    "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

    by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:06:34 PM PDT

    •  The Best Way to Get More and Better Democrats is (4+ / 0-)
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      GussieFN, Tunk, mcmom, serendipityisabitch

      for White progressives/liberals to develop procedures to deprogram their Family&Friends from the cult of the GOPee.

      Cause if only 50% of White Americans voted Republic, it would be the end of the GOPee for all eternity.

      I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

      by OnlyWords on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:12:37 PM PDT

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      •  How many white liberals (4+ / 0-)

        have GOP friends or non-estranged family? You mean I'm going to have to start talking to those people again?

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:14:35 PM PDT

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        •  most of us... (1+ / 0-)
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          particularly if we're of a certain age, which means our peer's/family's political affiliations were formed when the Republican party was a rather reasonable organization instead of the batshit-crazy-ass thing it is today.

          There are a lot of educated people who were raised Republican and will just never shed that skin, no matter how crazy it gets.

          "I think in America, the opposite of poverty is justice." Bryan Stevenson

          by gfre on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:28:07 PM PDT

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    •  I have the same question (1+ / 0-)
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      I have a fantasy that in the states with the most disgruntled people, maybe North Carolina, there will be a successful movement for a constitutional convention. Their current state government is passing all sorts of very unpopular legislation and one would imagine that voters would like to have some discussions about how the state government could be overhauled to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again. If it works in one state, then maybe other states will try, and maybe, when we get an amendment to overturn citizens united, we can get other constitutional amendments as well. It would be awesome if this could start with state government so that we can have a couple of experiments going before we tackle the fed.

      On the agenda:
      Elections: the governor or president should be able to dismiss the legislature and call for new elections if there is gridlock or malfeasance. I think the public would go for this.

      Eliminate Gerrymandering: There should be a new system to create congressional districts.

      Proportional representation? This would imply that voters rank candidates and has the advantage of potentially breaking up the two party hegemony. So, for example, some or all of North Carolina's legislative candidates could run "at large".

      We have had changes to our federal and state constitutions before and it could happen again.

      •  I like your fantasy. (0+ / 0-)

        Not sure how we get from here to constitutional convention, but I do wonder if that's not the best daydream, at least: amendments.

        I keep trying to write a diary asking people about their 'theory of change,' because while we're great at identifying problems, and often at discussing solutions, we don't seem to really have as strong a vision re. getting from here to there. Or at least not that I've seen.

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:33:27 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, we have structural problems (0+ / 0-)
      • Gerrymandering is still legal.
      • The filibuster.
      • The IRS treating "exclusively" in the 501(c)(4) law as "mostly", and then not enforcing it.
      • Under Greenspan, the Fed treated rising wages as the worst kind of inflation.
      • The subsidies and preferences in the tax code, the farm bills…
      • No Child's Behind Left has gutted education in civics.
      • Campaign fundraising takes up more time than governing for politicians.
      • Too Big to Fail/Jail

      More and Better Democrats would allow us to address all of these issues. And look! the demographic and generational shifts are giving us just that, at a rate of about 1% annually. There are already substantially more Democrats than Republicans, so the issue is GOTV.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 09:21:29 AM PDT

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  •  What happened to "Don't be evil"?!?! (11+ / 0-)

    I'm giving this a reccommend.  Thanks for posting it.

    Truely Andy Cobb deserves the reccommend for putting Google in its rightful place

    What ever happened to "Don't Be Evil"?  I guess it is more important to a large corporation like Google to buy a couple of law-makers than it is to not be evil.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:10:08 PM PDT

  •  Is funding? Currently? Politicians? (1+ / 0-)
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    How many?

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:11:33 PM PDT

  •  Is the Irony... (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    ...of the fact that he posted this on YouTube (owned by Google) lost on anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

    "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." – Benjamin Franklin

    by ERJ1024 on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:12:15 PM PDT

    •  That's not irony. (1+ / 0-)
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      Andy Cobb

      That's 'Hey, Al Gore uses airplanes!'

      Irony is if the picture of Jesus and the dinosaur was the logo of a group that promoted education about natural selection.

      "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

      by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:18:01 PM PDT

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    •  I like to think (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm seizing the means of production and distribution to promote a subversive message. But potato, po-tah-to, I hear ya.

      •  Then you should be supporting (0+ / 0-)

        Free/Open Source Software, Creative Commons, Open Access Publishing, and Open Educational Resources. Also One Laptop Per Child (OLPC), the only program aiming at getting the means of education, collaboration, and production (computers) into the hands of a billion children at a time. Which is to say, all of them.

        Google actually does a fair amount of that. Google Summer of Code, Google Books, a million dollars to OLPC when it was starting up…

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 09:27:10 AM PDT

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  •  Because Micro$oft is such a saintly company (3+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, stagemom, Roadbed Guy

    Let's help Bill Gates destroy education.

    In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    by boriscleto on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:14:24 PM PDT

  •  I wish gmail would stop screwing with my (3+ / 0-)
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    stagemom, Roadbed Guy, deben

    email. They seem to think they have a better way to categorize it than I do. I've actually missed some important stuff. Now I have to do unpaid work to put it back together again.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:18:32 PM PDT

  •  Go forth and google no more! (0+ / 0-)

    I replaced Google with Bing several months ago.  I'm no big fan of Microsoft but Bing is at least as good, now this.....

  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:20:17 PM PDT

  •  Google has been my home page forever (3+ / 0-)
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    GussieFN, stagemom, Hillbilly Dem

    It loads quickly because there's no ads, videos, etc.

    I'm about to go with for the same reason, plus they apparently don't give money to wingnuts.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:20:42 PM PDT

  •  What if you don't like (1+ / 0-)
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    Roadbed Guy

    either Google or Microsoft?

    BTW, what do you make of Conservatives bringing up not-so-widely reported cases of horrific black on white violence to support their feelings of media bias against Zimmerman? Right now there's a posting going around Facebook about a Roderick Scott who's supposed to be a race reversed Zimmerman case. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of pesky devilish details were omitted out to bolster any superficial resemblance of supposed race reversal.

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:20:43 PM PDT

  •  They Are Strangling The Internet (1+ / 0-)
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    How about the good old days of websites that didn't have to pay $1 to $50 per click?  When a small company could sell products without a big budget? Well now you'd better be prepared to spends a ton of money for Adwords to show up in a Google search. And you will probably see almost no benefit .

    And if you do spend a bunch of money you will still need to compete against gibberish script generated ads:  "Best prices on the internet for fatal car crashes at Target!" or "Get industrial gravel crushes at Crate and Barrel!"

    They count of people bidding on ads like they are trying to win an auction on ebay, and some intern with no idea of what they are doing bids the rates to the moon. Bidding to be #1 is idiocy.

    If you potentially make $20 a unit and have typical 2% conversion rate , bidding a dollar a click (few things are that cheap) means you lose $30 per sale.

    The other thing that pisses me off is when people bid nationwide for no reason.  If I have a car detailing service in Syracuse, why must I bid against some idiot with one location in Oregon?

    Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:29:49 PM PDT

  • (0+ / 0-)

    Bills itself as the "world's most private search engine."

    If I was a communist, rich men would fear me...And the opposite applies. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

    by stewarjt on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:39:49 PM PDT

  •  The NSA is syphoning the ISP's as well (1+ / 0-)
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    “What Is That Box?” — When The NSA Shows Up At Your Internet Company


    The FISA request was a tricky one, because it was a warrant through the FISA court — whether you believe that is legitimate or not. I have a hard time with secret courts. I ran it past my attorney and asked, “Is there anyway we can fight this?” and he said “No. It is legitimate.”

    It was also different [from other warrants] because it was for monitoring. They wanted to come in and put in equipment on my network to monitor a single customer. The customer they were monitoring was a particular website that was very benign. It seems ridiculous to me. It was beyond absurd. It wasn’t like a guns and ammo website.

    They came in and showed me papers. It was a court order from the FISC (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court) for the intercept, with the agent’s name… and the court’s information. I think it was three or four pages of text. They wouldn’t let met me copy them. They let me take notes in regards to technical aspects of what they wanted to do.

    We had to facilitate them to set up a duplicate port to tap in to monitor that customer’s traffic. It was a 2U (two-unit) PC that we ran a mirrored ethernet port to.

    I walked through technology  a while back

    NSA Shenanigans is the CISCO Kid(ding)?

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:41:20 PM PDT

  •  Royal Baby Tweets (0+ / 0-)

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 03:50:43 PM PDT

  •  Seriously, switch to (2+ / 0-)
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    Reepicheep, Andy Cobb

    It does not put you in a bubble.

    People can't pay to be ranked higher.

    It does not save your searches.

    It will even let you search other search engines and conceal your identity (and not save your search there either).

    It's awesome.  There is no reason to stick with Google, who has violated "Don't Be Evil" so many times in the last few years it isn't even funny.  Google is the new Microsoft.

  •  Thanks for posting, Jed (2+ / 0-)
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    millwood, srelar

    It's always a gen-u-ine treat to come to DKos and see one of my vids. I gotta lotta love for this community, thank you for watching.

  •  Take action! (3+ / 0-)

    Forecast the Facts and 350 Silicon Valley activists are delivering the petition to Google CEO Larry Page on Wednesday.

    If you haven't signed it yet,

  •  Google boosts right-wing blogs (0+ / 0-)

    This was what made me really hate Google. Try the following experiment: go to some right-wing blog like Instapundit or Hot Air (just for a minute). Look up the latest outrage, then try searching for background on it to find out what's really going on.

    I tried it with "Michigan judge Obama." A Google search gives pages and pages of right-wing blogs all saying the exact same thing about the Detroit bankruptcy (just reposting each others' stories). Other search engines I tried do NOT do this.

    •  Top hit on Google (0+ / 0-)

      Twitchy ‎- 3 days ago
      A Michigan judge has ruled that Detroit's bankruptcy filing must be withdrawn because she said it does not comply with the state's constitution.

      (Twitchy is run by Michelle Malkin, who also owns

      Top hit on DuckDuckGo:

      Michigan AG challenges judge's ruling that Detroit bankruptcy ...
      She also ordered that a copy of her declaratory judgment be sent to President Barack Obama, saying he "bailed out Detroit" and may want to look into the pension issue. ... Michigan AG challenges judge's ruling that Detroit bankruptcy is unconstitutional.

      followed by The Blaze,

      So, no. Your claim turns out not to be the case. Both are just as bad on this. The problem is not the search engines. It is the effect of the Republican noise machine and echo chamber on PageRank algorithms.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 09:44:32 AM PDT

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