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A recent study from Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind Poll found that 73 percent of Democrats “say that Congress needs to pass new laws to protect the public from gun violence.” Sixty-five percent of Republicans don’t think so.The study also found that 44 percent of Republicans think an armed war against the government is a good idea.

Read the full story here at Ring of Fire.

The study “finds that attitudes regarding the perceived likelihood of an armed revolution to protect liberties . . . are helpful in explaining this divide” in gun control legislation. The poll’s analyst, Dan Cassino, professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University, shows that there is a correlation between where Republicans stand on gun control legislation and their belief that armed revolution is necessary.

“The differences in views of gun legislation are really a function of differences in what people believe guns are for,” said Cassino. “If you truly believe an armed revolution is possible in the near future, you need weapons and you’re going to be wary about government efforts to take them away.”

Republicans getting on the armed revolution wagon isn’t a new thing. When the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act last June, former GOP Spokesman Matt Davis “sent out an email that asked whether armed rebellion would be justified in the wake of the court’s decision.” His statement was made in reaction to a piece of health care legislation, but this Republican acted as if the government was going to kick in his door and take his family and possessions.

Davis seemed to make a backhanded call to arms in the letter as he quoted Benjamin Franklin saying, “the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless the people prevented it.”

Josh is a writer and researcher with Ring of Fire. Follow him on Twitter @dnJdeli.

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  •  44% are delusional? (7+ / 0-)

    I accept that. Yes, that sounds about right.

    •  44% are dead ducks before the first shot is fired. (0+ / 0-)

      “The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.” - Voltaire.

      by LamontCranston on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:01:39 AM PDT

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    •  "Might be necessary" was the question (0+ / 0-)

      That's not the same as "support"

      What's delusional is believing that a civil war might improve anything. They need to read the classic paper about what actually works, www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf.

      Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 03:35:41 PM PDT

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  •  Since it's your headline (6+ / 0-)

    That would be "Forty," not "Fourty"

    Yes, English is weird.

  •  I'm glad you are now posting (3+ / 0-)
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    more of the story than just a link now. According to the study 31% of gun control opponents think that the truth of Sandy Hook is being hidden. 25% of Americans believe that.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 08:14:44 AM PDT

  •  In every society there are always segments of (7+ / 0-)

    people would-be fascist can count on for support, and that usually is the right wing.

    The right wing mindset usually aligns with extreme or strict religious fundamentalism, or puritanism in the case of the U.S., ultra-nationalism, nativism, racism, jingoism, and order.

    In the U.S. Corporate State (our form of government), the right wing aligns perfectly with the interest of the shadow government (the corporatist cartels running things behind the scenes).

    Because the right wing is made up of reactionary, hateful, low-brow, low-intellect people, it is very easy to manipulate them with propaganda.

    And so the message is put out that anything that has to do with equality, social justice, and especially challenging corporate hegemony, is translated into a "threat to liberty, and freedom."

    This is very easy to do...

    This explains why ALEC, and business cartels have been pushing so hard to spread conceal-carry and stand-your-ground laws across the country.

    They see the handwriting on the wall.  As the Corporate State entrenches itself and continues to oppress and exploit, this is going to create tensions, and as people take to the public square to protest the oppression, they'll be met there by armed thugs that will try to intimidate peaceful protesters.

    That's the angle, and that's the agenda of the puppeteers manipulating the low-intelligence right wing.

  •  The self-proclaimed'Defenders of the Constitution' (8+ / 0-)

    Except of course, when there's a Constitutionally elected government thats headed by a black man who enacts Constitutionally allowed laws that they don't like.

    To them, the Constitution is the Second Amendment surrounded by a bunch of suggestions that they're not even familiar with.

    "Them's that die'll be the lucky ones!!" - Long John Silver/Rand Paul

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 08:17:05 AM PDT

  •  I'd like to know what portion of the 44% (2+ / 0-)
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    live in the Old Confederacy. I would wager at least 75%.

    •  They want a do over on the whole Civil War thing. (1+ / 0-)
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      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 09:37:56 AM PDT

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      •  I call BS (1+ / 0-)
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        There are plenty of them all over the country.  Get over thinking it's geographically limited or defined.  It's 2013.

        I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

        by tom 47 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:31:19 AM PDT

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        •  It's 2013, and 1865 was yesterday to them (1+ / 0-)
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          We're talking about a place where schoolkids are bused a hundred miles to a field trip to see a ruined plantation which has been carefully preserved just to preserve their indignation at having lost.

          Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

          by Dogs are fuzzy on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 03:45:46 PM PDT

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  •  22 diaries and 28 comments. WTF? (0+ / 0-)

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 09:02:29 AM PDT

  •  Republicans seem to believe (5+ / 0-)

    that the Executive Branch is theirs by divine mandate. It drives them nuts whenever they don't have it.

    The fact that there's a black POTUS probably makes it worse, but they were this crazy back when Clinton was in office.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 09:26:48 AM PDT

  •  Most Republicans wouldn't have the courage (4+ / 0-)

    or the conviction to participate in an armed rebellion. What they really mean is that they think the military might be needed to throw elected leftists out of power.

    In other words what they are really advocating for is your typical right-wing military coup the America has supported in other countries for 100 years.

    They just want to finally bring that home.

  •  Funny, that's not how they felt in the 60's (0+ / 0-)

    Racial hostility, homophobia and misogyny are braided together like strands of the same rope. When we fight one, we fight them all. - Charles M. Blow

    by blueoregon on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 09:56:33 AM PDT

  •  Of course, the same 44% will be the.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... first ones hiding under their arm chairs when the bullets start flying.

  •  This is a product of the GOP's tacit (4+ / 0-)
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    and explicit encouragement of the birther movement and hostility to the fact that we have a black President.  They have allowed a lot of angry folks to feel as if it's ok to be angry and indignant at the fact that Obama is President.  Rather than celebrate his unlikely rise to success as a validation of the American ideal, they have sought to discredit his very existence as something foreign and unwanted, when in fact he got the most votes in history....twice.  

    What galls me is that Obama won more white votes outside the South than the average Democratic candidate...probably since FDR, and yet these nut jobs want to divide the country on race.

    Alternative rock with something to say. Check out Global Shakedown's latest album, "A Time to Recognize": Available on iTunes/Amazon, or stream it at http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown.

    by khyber900 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:45:18 AM PDT

  •  I am not a republican, but (0+ / 0-)

    I don't want to live in a country where the government - any government - has a monopoly on use of force.  History shows this leads to ... well tyranny.  Bottom line - the government doesn't trust me so why should I trust them.  I don't think we are headed for an armed revolt, but should such a thing ever occur the idea that the central government would deal with it quickly, decisively, and effectively, ignores the fact that fighting rebels just creates more of them.  In the long run the guerillas almost always win.

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles
    •  And right after the government is overthrown (1+ / 0-)
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      The American Patriot's Front and the Patriotic Front of America fight a bloody civil war to see who gets to be the new government.

      That's right about the time we end up as an impoverished failed state ruled by regional warlords.

      Gosh, that sounds like fun. I think I'll put up with the TSA poking through my suitcase just a little while longer.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

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      •  This is not about right wingnut politics. (0+ / 0-)

        It's about the Fourth Amendment.  If it dies then the other nine are at risk.  The idea that everyone who fears and distrusts this government is a right wingnut is, quite frankly, not true.  Since you trust them to riffle through your baggage and Emails, I have to wonder if you have a limit to what you will tolerate. You may not, but a great many non fox news slurping wingnuts do.  

        Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles/blockquote>  
        •  Everyone has a limit (0+ / 0-)

          Not sure where mine is. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

          I'm not sure I'd find the Tea Party States of America to be any more pleasant. Best be careful what you wish for.

          I also think you overestimate the success rate of popular uprisings, especially if the government in question really is tyrannical.

          The Soviets put down any number of them - most notably Hungary and Czechoslovakia but also in the Ukraine and the Balkans.

          Hafez al-Assad put down at least one and his son may yet be successful. Saddam Hussein put down several.

          More recently the Tamil Tigers have been put down and the F.A.R.C. have marginalized.

          If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

          by Major Kong on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 01:00:22 PM PDT

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          •  In the long run the regimes either reform or die, (0+ / 0-)

            mostly.  If I am wrong in this Robert Asprey's two volume history of guerrilla warfare "War In The Shadows" is to blame.   A central state fighting insurgents is a lot like a bear with a sledge hammer fighting bees.  The bear kills some of the bees most profoundly, but in general he just makes then mad, destroys things and gets tired.  
              I'm not exactly sure where my line is either but it is most certainly on the side of the Constitution.  That document defines us.  It is what ensures our freedom, and if it is sick then I want it brought back to health no matter the nature of the cure.  I cannot imagine any sacrifice which we might be called upon to make which would surpass what has already been paid.  Let us strive passionately for a peacefull cure.  I don't like the idea of a warlord in America any more than you do.

            ps
            write a diary about rocket planes, please

            Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles
      •  BTW Major, I love your diaries. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  as long as the government is us, no problem (0+ / 0-)

      The govt. is we the people or is meant to mostly be... the crazies quote Ben Franklin about devolving into tyranny unless "the people" stop it... of course do not understand that the danger of tyranny comes from them and the danger that their paranoid fears would lead to exactly that... with them cheering on the flag draped faux patriotic dictatorship...

      Sure we have the legacy of the Bush years, the patriot act. the NSA and mass surveillance to deal with since it has the potential in the wrong hands eventually to ensure a form of tyranny comes to be. So instead of revolution later... just voting sensibly sooner with a more informed electorate keeping the government responsive to them will do far more good.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:25:47 PM PDT

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    •  History shows that when force is the only means (0+ / 0-)

      of making any changes, you have been under tyranny for some time already. It is preferable to have a usable court system and functioning elections, even when it can take 50 years or even longer for them to work on some issue such as women's suffrage or LGBT rights. If nothing other than mass demonstrations is available, they may have to do.

      Our government has had a monopoly of force ever since the Constitution was ratified by enough states to go into effect. It was written so that the Federal government wouldn't have to beg states to put down armed insurrections like Shay's Rebellion. One of the first applications of that monopoly was President George Washington Federalizing the Pennsylvania militia and riding out at their head against the Whiskey Rebellion.

      Hatred of revenooers is much older than the Civil War fulminations against Yankee tyranny. But it doesn't give the bootleggers or the unreconstructed Rebels or the modern Conspiracy Theorists standing to challenge reality. If you are in a shrinking minority, neither electoral shenanigans nor the threat of violence can save you.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:51:53 PM PDT

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    •  Monopoly on the use of force (1+ / 0-)
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      That is the definition of a government.

      Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 03:48:43 PM PDT

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