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So, here's my thought on this twit who is planning to burn 3000 in a personal-publicity stunt:  Who is going to print a Quran? A printing company owned by a Muslim, so this burning of 3000 Qurans actually financially benefits someone in the Islamic community. I doubt this twit considered that when he planned this stunt.

Any Muslims who hear about this and are offended (or if you speak with any such Muslums), point this out. It may or may not help put things into perspective.

Idiot to Burn Qurans

jtg

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstein

    by jtg on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 06:41:54 PM PDT

  •  This must be illegal. (3+ / 0-)
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    EdMass, exterris, Fishtroller01

    This guy should be stopped before he actually sets fire to so many books. This is way too big a fire to have without the proper permits.

  •  reminds me of TP plans to dump tons of teabags (2+ / 0-)
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    into Potomac to mimic a more famous tea party.  However they were stopped by anti-polluting regulations.

    I hope this guy has arranged for fire protection in case things get out of hand

  •  Again? (0+ / 0-)

    Didn't he learn anything last time when from Jacob Isom?

    "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

    by kirrix on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 08:19:41 PM PDT

  •  You can't argue with shithead. (2+ / 0-)

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 08:45:48 PM PDT

  •  It's that Christian d-bag with the ugly mustache. (1+ / 0-)
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    I hate that idiot. What a hypocrite. I'm going to burn a religious text, yet I live my life by one. People like him cannot see the irony.

    Hey Jones, I'd use the Bible as toilet paper, but it defeats the purpose if what I'm wiping with is already shitty.

    Ba-boom!

  •  Part of this diary's title may have been (0+ / 0-)

    chopped off somehow. Instead of "Hiding Behind the Strongest Military in the History of the World, An Intolerant Idiot Plans to Burn Qurans--Needlessly Insulting Muslims," I'm only seeing the middle portion.

    Yeah, that would be cumbersome. It would be descriptive, though.

    We don't need any religious beliefs ourselves to see this as the selfish, self-centered antics of an attention whore.

    If this person wanted to truly make a statement to Muslims, he should buy a ticket to Yemen and put on his little display across from a mosque as the believers leave Friday prayers. It would be just as pathetic, but it would seem like a genuine message from a hater.

    If we talk about creeps like this at all, I think we should emphasize how weak and cowardly they are.

    It matters not how small the beginning may seem to be: what is once well done is done forever. Henry David Thoreau, in Civil Disobedience

    by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 04:53:37 AM PDT

    •  I actually think the more courageous thing (2+ / 0-)

      to do about religious texts, instead of burning them (I don't like to see any book burned), is to challenge the ideas inside of them and expose the immoralities, inconsistencies etc. that they contain.  Thomas Paine did this with the bible and I'm certain someone has probably taken the time to do it with the Koran.  

      What I find much more concerning than the attitude of this Idiot is the push by Islamic nations in the UN to make challenging, debating or criticizing religious texts illegal (blashemy laws) AND the almost daily reports of people being KILLED or threatened by members of the Islamic faith (remember Salman Rushdie?) for "dishonoring" their religious texts.  The claim that any texts written in the world are "divinely" written and therefore off-limits to scrutiny and criticism is one of the most erroneous and dangerous claims this world has ever faced, and the number of people killed over the bible and the koran throughout history and in current events is obscene.

      •  I agree all texts are fair game for scrutiny (1+ / 0-)
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        The fool described in the diary is as irony impaired as anyone I've heard of. He sees only stark shades of black and white.

        It's this guy's fundamentalist attitude which I am bothered by. The inflexibility is as destructive for him as it is for all who he contacts.

        I am an atheist, but have no issues with people who gain personal strength or encouragement wherever they find it--religious texts or elsewhere.

        It's true that religion has been used to control and manipulate people for millennia, attempts have been made to justify the worst conduct using it as a cover. I continue to think religion itself is, at least potentially, neutral. Just as a match could be used to start a fire for cooking food over, or to embalm someone in flames.

        Again, I know religion has been used to hurt many people. "Religious" people are no more inter-changable than atheists are, though. I have seen sincere believers who are motivated, at least in part, to work toward positive change because of their faith. It goes without saying that there are plenty of examples which point the other way, too: the knuckle draggers  do love the sound of piety.

        A growing number of people are finding life sans religion to be preferable. Still, I think it's a lot like ballet or opera. I can recognize there is value there, but it's just not for me--at least not in any traditional sense.

        It matters not how small the beginning may seem to be: what is once well done is done forever. Henry David Thoreau, in Civil Disobedience

        by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 09:30:08 AM PDT

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        •  I am a bit harder on the texts than you are. (0+ / 0-)

          I think they should be exposed for their violent and immoral content because that is the fuel that lights the fires of religious conflict, which we all suffer from. Thomas Paine did just that and concluded that the bible was a horrible representation of the God he believed in and rejected the whole thing.

          What I see within all three of the Abrahamic religions is this constant battle between the interpretive camps..liberals and fundamentalists.  It's never-ending and causes so much constant conflict.  I would like to see the texts of all three religions lose their sway and be put aside as simply historical mythologies like the world did with the stories of the Greek and Roman gods.

          So I tend not to miss any opportunity to criticize these texts whenever possible because they are not good guides for morality. People are moral because they have a strong innate sense of it, often in spite of those texts. I know people claim that their faith inspires them to do good, but I think they are mistaken.  If people knew for sure that there were no gods and no system of salvation and reward/punishment after life, I think they would still go on doing good deeds.

          So what is going to stop the Islamists who are pushing the blasphemy laws from doing so?  I am hoping it will be a growth of non-believers in the world combined with a recognition that those texts are no more special than any other books.

          •  Within the limits of my ability, nobody is (0+ / 0-)

            probably much harder on the texts than I am. Texts can take it.

            I'm not known for being particularly gentle with the right-wing fundamentalists, either.

            I am protective, as much as I can be, of believers (whatever their faith or other belief system) who are expressing a feeling of connection and community similar to what I feel and seek.

            A desire for improvement as people and as a society, without regard for the ideology or theology behind it is enough to create a common cause.

            For years I thought all (or almost all, since I tend to shy away from absolutes) "religious people" were a monolithic mass of selfish, hateful RWNJ. I have been so happy to learn that I was wrong!

            Maybe this says something bad about me, but I have no problem mocking people's hypocrisy, their loud public claims of piety, etc. To any extent that they share even portions of their faith with others who are genuinely trying to do the best that they can I consider their religion to be off-limits for me.

            Do cowards hide behind proclamations of reverence? Sure they do, just as others may insist they are doing things for the common good when they are clearly lining their pockets with ill-gotten wealth at others expense instead.

            Few are probably as aware of how maliciously religion has been used than those who feel it for real. They don't tend to believe in literal use of their religious texts, either.

            One thing I particularly admire about these open-minded, thoughtful people of faith is that they admit they don't have all of the answers--and sometimes they have two (or more) answers which conflict with each other. Things fit too neatly in "my" scientifically measured universe sometimes. Maybe it's just that misery loves company, although it doesn't feel miserable to me. Resolving those types of issues are what makes me feel most human.

            A key difference between the fundys (of whichever belief system) and us is the ability to aggressively question text without the need for physical violence against those who have differing views. Many religions may say some variation on "Love the sinner, hate the sin," all while trying their damnedest to annihilate the "heretic."

            It matters not how small the beginning may seem to be: what is once well done is done forever. Henry David Thoreau, in Civil Disobedience

            by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 08:28:54 AM PDT

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            •  I don't confront people about their (1+ / 0-)
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              religious ideas in person unless they are being aggressive about it. I will discuss my criticisms with open minded believers if they wish, but that ususally doesn't come about because they tend to keep their ideas private.

              Now online is a whole different world because I will address any offering of religious beliefs put into writing in a public forum like Daily Kos, no matter who the source is.  However, I don't go to religious sites looking for arguments.

  •  Bulk prices for Qurans should be astronomical. (0+ / 0-)

    If the guy wants to burn books, make them expensive and use the money for good works.  The guy wants to be a fool in front of the whole world.  Make him pay a lot of money for the privilege.

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