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National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre testifies during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence, on Capitol Hill in Washington January 30, 2013. Reuters
NRA exec Wayne LaPierre desperately needs these Colorado victories. It's our job to help deny them.
The scuttlebutt out of Colorado is that Colorado Sen. John Morse, subject of an NRA-backed recall, is in real danger of being ousted. The problem isn't necessarily public opinion in the district, but the confluence of a couple of factors: 1) turnout is sketchy during special elections, and recall supporters are likely more motivated, and 2) a series of legal rulings have eliminated mail-in voting, which Democrats have mastered in recent years. This will be a good ol' fashioned get-em-to-the-polls operation, and Republicans have been more efficient on that front of late.

Goal ThermometerRepublicans actually outperformed Democrats in Colorado early voting in 2012, so they may be just as impacted as Democrats, but that doesn't negate the fact that the gun nuts want blood, and these recalls are their mechanism to reestablish the NRA's supremacy.

Make no mistake: If the NRA is successful, they will continue to intimidate elected officials into subservience. If they fail, their influence will take a severe, maybe mortal hit. For them, this is an existentialist crisis. Their future rides on these results, and conservatives are explicit about it.

If the President of the Senate of Colorado [John Morse], who did nothing except pass the laws that Bloomberg wrote, [Pols emphasis] is knocked out, there will be a shudder, a wave of fear that runs across every state legislator across the country, that says, "I ain't doing that ever. That is not happening to me. I will not become a national embarrassment, I will not take on those guys." That's how big this is.
Rare bipartisanship agreement—these elections are huge.

Now's the time to chip in a few bucks. A total of 5,800 of us have already done so, but we can do better. Much better. We can't let the NRA push candidates around for passing sensible gun safety legislation like expanded background checks and magazine-size restrictions, particularly in states like Colorado that have suffered a disproportionate number of gun-fueled mass killings.

We are three weeks from the recall. I know everyone loves to wait until the last minute, but the money raised now builds the organization that will get our voters out. So now's the time.

Originally posted to kos on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:52 AM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), Shut Down the NRA, Colorado COmmunity, and Daily Kos.

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  •  I live in Colorado (11+ / 0-)

    I heard one of the ads that they are running . It's amazing how they call the person a extremist. My Roommate and I were trying to play a guessing game to see which tea party member it was producing the ad then heard NRA which just made us laugh. The sad thing is it isn't a joke.

    Wisdom is the result of knowledge through reason and understanding of common sense. Do you have Wisdom or seek it?

    by LonelyPagan1 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:59:33 AM PDT

  •  Democrats have a 20 to 15 margin (11+ / 0-)

    in the State Senate, so flipping two seats (Morse and one other) makes it 18-17.

    That's also pretty important.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:07:42 AM PDT

    •  The 2014 landscape... (10+ / 0-)

      Morse's district is a hard win for Democrats; he was a target precisely because he's in a competitive district (and because he's the Senate Majority Leader).

      Giron's district isn't as competitive; in a normal election the district would probably elect another Democrat.

      The 18-17 margin would be annoying on occasion (the agenda would start looking a bit less progressive), but given that it's election season the agenda next year is probably going to stick to the basics anyway.

      Both Morse's seat and Giron's are up for re-election in 2014 anyway. Morse is term-limited, and his seat is likely to go to Republicans anyway. If Republicans succeed in recalling Giron, the 2014 election will probably give the seat back to Democrats.

      There is at least one other seat in the Colorado Senate that will be fiercely contested: SD-16 (the district in which I live), currently held by Jeanne Nicholson. Nicholson is generally a strong progressive, and she's currently up against a tea party opponent. Both are out raising money, showing up at county fairs, and knocking on doors already. If Morse and Giron both lose the recall elections, then look for SD-16 to be a nationally boosted race as Republicans try to regain some hold on the Colorado legislature.

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:34:43 AM PDT

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  •  Is this a form of trrrrrrrrrrrsm? (4+ / 0-)
    there will be a shudder, a wave of fear that runs across every state legislator across the country
    Sounds like they are trying to terrorize elected officials.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:21:31 AM PDT

  •  I continue to support Morse & Giron (8+ / 0-)

    although I would be happier with them if the rhetoric coming from our side was more pleased with taking on the gun lobby, and less afraid. Occasionally we do get politicians like that. Some ideas seem worth the risk, like stronger gun laws, saving lives.

    Hermits have no peer pressure. -- Steven Wright
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    by tytalus on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:22:31 AM PDT

    •  This can be a knock out punch for Democrats (4+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim, tytalus, Miggles, IreGyre

      If both candidates win their recall elections it will thoroughly discourage any future attempts to control legislation through recalls and intimidation.

      The Colorado Democratic Party is fully engaged in these elections and the resources developed in their successful 2012 campaigns are being fully deployed.

      Colorado can lead the way in promoting sensible gun regulations.  Time to crush the crazies.

    •  Why are we only talking about Morse? Giron is... (1+ / 0-)
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      ER Doc

      ...getting hammered in Pueblo.

      Here's this weekend's "unbiased" editorial in the local, high penetration newspaper:

      Chieftain Managing Editor's Column.
      (and..., it's behind a freakin' paywall. I included the link for reference.)

      Here are some snippets:

      This recall is about her failure to listen to her constituents on several important issues, including gun-control and immigration-related issues. Rather than represent her constituents, she followed the agenda presented by the Democratic leadership in a Democratic-controlled Legislature.
      I have seen NO DATA, ie, polling, that validates the constant assertion that a majority of voters in her senate district disagree with her positions on either gun control or immigration. Pueblo is a union town and one of the bluest in the state. Pueblo West (also in her district) is both redder and smaller.

      And NO ONE is talking about her views on immigration. This recall is purely a temper tantrum thrown by wing nuts, brought on by her votes on trivial gun control legislation. Like making purchasers pay $10 to cover their background check instead of making taxpayers foot the bill, and restricting magazine capacities.

      I really have no idea, and I have seen no reporting, that details actual polling data on the views of her constituents on her gun control votes. The wing nuts, including this newspaper, CONSTANTLY drone on and on that she didn't vote the will of her constituents, and then back that assertion up with nothing.

      The loud gun nuts believe that their shrill voices are the only ones that matter, thus, recall.

      The only replacement qualified for the ballot (thus far) is a former Deputy Police Chief, Republican George Rivera, who has previously supported the usual Conservative anti-abortion nonsense.

      Rivera has said he supports the sanctity of life... it is fair to conclude that, if elected, his position would be detrimental to women's rights.

      ...First and foremost, the entire issue of a where a candidate stands on abortion is irrelevant. The courts have controlled this issue for more than 40 years and that's where the debate will end up in the future. Plus, no one state-elected official will have any control over what is a national issue.

      Yep, those Republican state legislators are harmless in regard to women's rights.

      Two words: Texas. Virginia.

      Need more info? Ask Rachel Maddow.

      A final snippet:

      For our part, we are working very hard to present our coverage of this recall issue in a fair, balanced fashion.
      The tell, of course, are the two words, "fair, balanced". 'Nuff said.

      As stated in the diary, the counties are not being allowed to run this election by mail in ballot. This is a huge setback for both Giron and Morse. Gun nuts have been all over the local Walmarts, poking petitions in every shopper's face, just to make this recall happen. The gun nuts will vote. Every last one of them.

      It is another deal altogether to get the rest of the voters motivated enough to actually show up to a poll and vote in person. Only the gun nuts are riled up, locked and loaded, counting the days 'till they can fire Giron! YeeHawww. A lot of regular folks don't see what the big deal is.

      And "I don't see what the big deal is" doesn't vote. If the D's can't turn people out, she loses, and the gun nuts will crow non-stop about their power to shitcan anyone who tries to pry their gun make them reload more often and pay an extra ten bucks for that $1500 Bushmaster.

      One final quote, just to let you know what we're up against here. This is from a Chieftain article dated 3 Aug 13, reporting on a formal complaint that Giron was misusing her state office during the campaign, by putting her senate email address on her campaign website. (Of course, this idiocy vaporized once someone checked all the Republican state senator's campaign websites to see what email address they used. You know what happened, you've watched the Daily Show...)

      Here's what the guy who filed the complaint, who does not live in her senate district said about her, to the Chieftain, which they printed:

      "Nothing too bad can happen to her that wouldn't make me feel good."
      - Carl Underhill, Avondale, CO (News article not behind the paywall.)

      This ladies and gentlemen, is what we're up against.

      Markos, if you've got some extra polling cash lying about unspent, Pueblo could use some clarity regarding this "she voted against the will of her constituents" bullshit. You know the Chieftain will not report any polling they might do that conflicts with the narrative that they're driving.

      "Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession." - Barrett Brown

      by 3rdOption on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 02:09:32 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, the Pueblo Chieftain has it in for Giron (2+ / 0-)
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        Media Matters has done a series of articles showing their conflicts of interest, their politically biased news reportage, and their propping up of weaksauce ethics charges. Their baseless claims about her support are almost certainly biased and should be considered suspect, if not dismissed outright.

        DK started out campaigning for Morse, but added Giron to this ActBlue campaign. It happened after I complained some about that, but I doubt it had anything to do with me.  :)

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        by tytalus on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 02:26:14 PM PDT

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        •  The problem is their market penetration. (0+ / 0-)

          A majority of the households in Pueblo have Chieftain subscriptions.

          Try as they might, they've never turned Pueblo from Blue to Red, no matter how biased their bullshit is. But they, like FOXNews, can whip up the true believers, and that's what's happened in this case.

          And because of their penetration, they may be able to obscure the battlefield, making it harder for the D's to gotv.

          Now add that to their "partnership" with the local ABC news affiliate, KRDO and they have a relatively big megaphone in a modest sized, somewhat insular community.

          On the other hand, the Chieftain doesn't deserve much credit, in terms of quality. They are like a poorer, stupider FOXNews wannabe. So most of their nonsense is clumsy, at best.

          "Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession." - Barrett Brown

          by 3rdOption on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 02:40:06 PM PDT

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  •  kos, make sure you spread the word on this... (12+ / 0-)
    We can't let the NRA push candidates around for passing sensible gun safety legislation like expanded background checks and magazine-size restrictions, particularly in states like Colorado that have suffered a disproportionate number of gun-fueled mass killings.
    ... to many of the liberal gun fanciers who frequent this site.

    How come none of them have shown up in your diary with their usual, "Democrats-are-stupid-to-push-gun-control-measures" comments?

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:23:48 AM PDT

  •  Of course they do, guns and money are more (2+ / 0-)

    important than people.

    It's why this nation was founded by such evil men. It's why they are winning today.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:29:30 AM PDT

  •  Question (5+ / 0-)

    How on Earth can these "recall" elections be Constitutional?

    This is just insane. I don't care if it's Scott Walker in Wisconsin, this one in Colorado, or what happened in California a few years ago that ended in the Governator.

    I can understand recalling someone if they've committed a crime, refused to show up at work on a regular basis, etc. But you can recall someone just because you feel like it? Because you didn't like a position they took?

    Elections should have consequences.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:33:40 AM PDT

  •  This is, perhaps (6+ / 0-)

    the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    Remember the Walker recall?  There were Democrats actively arguing that Scott Walker shouldn't be recalled because recalling an officeholder absent some kind of abuse of office or criminal offense was wrong.

    But I doubt that you'll see anybody on the right making these kinds of arguments.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:34:43 AM PDT

    •  In their minds (1+ / 0-)
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      anyone who supports or proposes, or, god forbid, actually votes for additional gun control measures is committing a criminal offense.  
      I've read similar comments here from RKBA folks-you discuss almost any type of gun control measure and you're accused of violating the Constitution.  Even Antonin Scalia doesn't agree with that line of thinking, at least he didn't in Heller(although who knows what that guy will say or do next).

      •  Yeah. (0+ / 0-)

        The RKBA folks around here are basically no different on that issue than the 2nd Amendment people on the right.

        I, on the other hand, think the 2nd Amendment should be repealed.

        29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 11:38:34 AM PDT

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  •  I'll give again (6+ / 0-)

    & this time it will HURT.
    hope I can stretch my money out till the 31st !

    I'll have to hide if there is a community fundraiser !

  •  Some needs to explain to me... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...what 3rd party candidate ballot access has to do with a recall. Is this an "if/then" election like the California circus that tossed out Davis?

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:38:58 AM PDT

    •  Yes. As I understand it, you vote yes/no on (5+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, tytalus, Egalitare, Aquarius40, gof

      whether to recall, and then when you vote (and I'm a bit confused on this point) you then get to say who you want to take office if Morse or Giron are recalled.  I believe you have to vote yes/no to be able to then have your vote for who should then serve.  I don't know if you have to vote "yes" for the recall to have your choice become the next Senator, but I would hope that's the case.  Otherwise, all the ones who want Morse/Giron to stay in office would vote "no" and then not be able to vote for a Democrat to succeed them.

      For a bit of extra stomach churning news, or something to get your blood boiling, check out

  •  The state senate campaign committee has (4+ / 0-)

    places for walkers in the districts as well as phone banking from their offices and off a web site.  I've not been able to do more than money so far, but I'll be doing some phone banking in the days immediately preceding the election.

  •  phonebank for Morse (6+ / 0-)

    According to a post from Occupy the NRA on facebook a little bit ago, people can phone bank from afar.  Please consider volunteering.

    And according to his campaign, they are also hoping people will write lte's to their local papers (thinking this would be best for Coloradans to do rather than folks from outside the State, but not sure about that)

    Contact they gave is

    Yes, this is an important election and thanks for the diary.  

  •  Contributed. Those (5+ / 0-)

    schmucks cannot be allowed to continue winning.

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:55:15 AM PDT

  •  This didn't seem to be the case in Wisconsin (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc
    The problem isn't necessarily public opinion in the district, but the confluence of a couple of factors: 1) turnout is sketchy during special elections, and recall supporters are likely more motivated
    where the buzz on this site was the failure of most of the recall elections was that it is almost impossible to oust somebody - anybody - by this mechanism.
  •  Well, crap. (4+ / 0-)


    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:58:44 AM PDT

  •  Awkward question: (0+ / 0-)

    What is the Democratic Party Leadership, state and/or national,  saying or doing about this.

    I'm getting more than a little tired of sending money to the Party's "Red Headed Bastard Children" -- which seems to have all the political effect of "imprecatory prayer"

    As long as "our side" likes to frame the NRA's positions as simply "they sell guns : they want to sell more" and nothing else -- I'm not really sure I care that much who and how many guns get sold in places where I don't live.

    On the other hand, I care a great deal about the extreme right wing politics that the NRA advances, and which the Democratic Party ... especially it's Gun Safety caucus ... chooses to not talk about.

  •  This may be more ridiculous than the Wisconsin (1+ / 0-)
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    recalls and, for that matter, nearly every recall/impeachment, etc that has ever been undertaken.

    As if our poltical system were not already sufficiently corrupt and friction-fraught.

    Elections are supposed to have meaning.
    In between elections, the elected are supposed to govern.
    Overturning the will of the electorate should be difficult and rare.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 11:02:05 AM PDT

  •  NRA probably has a sad :( with the Georgia school (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, a2nite

    gun report and arrest today. Even if no one hurt think of the mental damage to parents and students.

    Leviticus: “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself"

    by TofG on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 11:03:16 AM PDT

  •  The pro-Morse advertising I've seen on facebook (2+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, ER Doc

    is crap. I wonder if part of the problem might be his media team.

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    by litho on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 11:10:41 AM PDT

  •  For more on the "Romance" writer who (4+ / 0-)

    wanted to be the Republican challenger in Colorado Springs, she's now suing the state Republican party for 54 million dollars.  Please proceed, Jaxine Bubis.

  •  "legal rulings have eliminated mail-in ballots" (0+ / 0-)

    I don't fully understand this, but fear this will be the pivotal issue in this special election.

    •  In short, the Colorado legislature passed a (2+ / 0-)
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      measure this last session that would have everyone receive mail-in ballots for elections.  However, there is an exception in the State Constitution that says that for a recall election, people have until 15 days (IIRC) before the election to submit petitions to be on the ballot.  The original deadline for signatures was ten days after the governor decided when the election would be held.  The Republicans were ready for the recalls to be certified and they submitted enough signatures (valid or not - they were approved) within 10 days after the elections were certified so they met the original deadline.  A Libertarian and a Democrat didn't collect enough signatures by the deadline so they sued to have more time.  The Constitutional provision over-rode the mail-in-ballot requirement, so any candidate has until two weeks before the election to submit signatures.  

      That will not give the election officials time to verify the signatures, print ballots, mail them to everyone and then have them mailed back.  So the judge said, for this special recall election, it's more important to allow for candidates to be on the ballot than to have mail-in for everyone.  I agree that it's the law, and I hope the Dems have a good ground game to counter the hot air and bloviating of the Republicans.  Getting people to the polls will be the key, and it's probably going to be very close.

      •  It's not so much that it's more important (3+ / 0-)
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        The Constitutional provision, crappy as it is, overrides state law and the judge had little choice in the matter.

        It was proposed to Colorado voters some time ago that the constitutional provision be removed because it was out of date, but the voters rejected it.  (I think this was the year when we had something like16 measures on the ballot from the state alone; voters rejected pretty much everything, good and bad...) We need to bring that up again; it's probably too late this year, but next year's legislative session needs to put a referendum on the ballot to remove the Constitutional time frame.

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

        by Phoenix Rising on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 12:20:46 PM PDT

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  •  malicious morticians... (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone else notice the facial resemblance between Wayne LaPierre and North Carolina governor Pat McCrory?  Could Wayne could be Pat's older brother?  Maybe it's the fact that they are both creepy and crazy, and each oozes a similar mock-serious sleaziness akin to that of a malicious mortician, but the two of them appear to be the sons of some weird alien creatures to my eyes.  It could well be time to demand their birth certificates, too.  

  •  Whats changed since (2+ / 0-)
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    gerrilea, FrankRose

    90% 'with us'
     the 10% 'against us'

    Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 01:57:36 PM PDT

  •  kos I think you're looking in the wrong places (1+ / 0-)
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    It's not Republican enthusiasm but Democratic lack of same. It's not the big NRA boogieman, but rather a different kind of Dem.

    Look into Pueblo sometime, and the San Luis Valley. Yes they are Dem and yes many are labor but it's not San Francisco or NY NY. I'd say outside of central Denver and Boulder, Pueblo is one of the most dependable Dem areas of the state.

    More than the recall I worry about the legislature and the governor's seat. Last I saw Tom Tancredo was neck and neck with our sitting Democratic Governor Hickenlooper. Guns are a looser here.

    I'd switch the subject.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 06:46:59 PM PDT

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