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Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere, in any of the debate over immigration reform has the role of the employers been addressed.

If the GOP or its Tea Party caucus wanted illegal immigration to end tomorrow, all they would need to do is pass legislation that:

1.  Made it illegal to knowingly hire undocumented workers (even if you are running for President, for Pete's sake), and
2.  Stripped repeat offenders of their citizenship, any property or assets related to the hiring of the undocumented workers, and booted them out of the country.

Below the Orange Elegance . . .

Right now, all the discussion is about how much to punish undocumented workers:  How much of a fine should they have to pay?  How much in back taxes do they owe?

There is no discussion of fines or penalties for their employers. Why not?

We know that it's not liberals who are hiring the vast majority of undocumented workers.  It's farmers, construction companies, restaurants, hotel chains, etc., all of them owned and operated by Republicans.  [There are rare exceptions:  Liberal churches who provide sanctuary and jobs, only to be vilified for their efforts.]  

And the Republicans all know that they are hiring undocumented workers, and that's the way they like it.  Want to complain about working conditions?  Don't like how your pay has been cut?  Take it to la migra.

So of course Republicans don't want to talk about employer sanctions; they want to deify employers -- excuse me, "job creators" -- without whom we would all be lost and hopeless.

But what is the Democrats excuse?  I can't think of one.

For now, there is absolutely no incentive for Republicans to vote for any type of immigration reform.  Why should they want the current situation to change?  They've got the best of all possible worlds:  labor is cheap and has no rights whatsoever (a condition they'd love to extend to all of us), and they have a boogeyman they can point to whenever they like.  

Any proposal to reform immigration that doesn't grant citizenship rights to the workers is an extension of the Southern ideal, cited in many an act of secession in 1861:  The right of a small class of owners to live as gentleman, off the labor of their inferiors.

To push back against the immiseration of workers that Republicans crave, I'm going to petition my Congresscritters to sponsor and support the Comprehensive Undocumented Workers Reform Act of 2013:

1. The willful and knowing employment of undocumented workers being a national security and economic threat, anyone who knowingly employs one or more undocumented aliens shall be imprisoned for not less than 3 years, and not more than 7 years, per undocumented alien employed.  In addition, any property associated with the employment of undocumented aliens shall be siezed and sold at auction to defray the societal costs of supporting undocumented aliens.

2.  Any person who willfully and knowingly employs undocumented aliens on more than one occasion will be stripped of their United States citizenship and deported from the United States.

Mine is off to Dick Durbin (D-Big Business) and Rodney Davis (R-Big Business) tomorrow.
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  •  Part 2 is extreme and likely unconstitutional (5+ / 0-)

    Hell even murderers can't be stripped of their citizenship.

    But Part 1, yes, it's exactly what we need.  And don't give me any bullshit about how the poor Repubs "didn't know", there are plenty of tools to properly identify it.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:26:44 PM PDT

    •  Limits on stripping citizenship (0+ / 0-)

      I believe that there are cases where US citizens have been stripped of their citizenship.  If the threat of illegal immigrants is the national security catastrophe that conservatives would have us believe it is, then I'm sure a case could be made that it rises to the level of treason necessary to strip citizenship from the guilty.

      •  You believe?! (1+ / 0-)
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        Calamity Jean

        That's what you have? This isn't some Right Wing site, you know, where 'beliefs' are considered evidence. The FACT is that Congress does not have the power to strip anyone's citizenship for any reason and certainly not as a criminal penalty.

        Where you may be confused is that you have heard of cases of naturalized citizenship being revoked, but that only applies to naturalized citizens and ONLY for fraud in the naturalization process. Basically if you get citizenship fraudulently then you never really had it in the first place. But even a naturalized citizen can't lose citizenship  as a criminal penalty.

        This diary is based on an incorrect premise. Do some more research.

    •  Yep Apply a More Conventional Penalty (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      and the same level of disincentive could apply.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:21:46 PM PDT

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    •  Um, its ALREADY illegal to employ undocumented?? (3+ / 0-)
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      BlackSheep1, Calamity Jean, erush1345

      Where do you people get you information from?

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 05:07:57 AM PDT

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    •  Under Reagan, employers had to document (1+ / 0-)
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      workers' eligibility by obtaining and keeping on file a copy of a DL and SS card for every new hire.

      There were penalties for employers who failed to do so in that law -- or at least, there were supposed to be. I have NEVER heard of a case of this being prosecuted. Does anyone here know of such a case?

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 07:44:17 AM PDT

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  •  Nope. Can't work (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    Your point No. 2 can't happen. Congress doesn't have the power to strip people of citizenship, according to the Supreme Court.

    Your Point No. 1 is just a bad idea, but your whole program fails on point 2.

    •  There are already 'sanctions' against employers (4+ / 0-)

      Even if they are rarely enforced.  Why would putting teeth into the sanctions be a bad idea?

      •  Millions of Good Ideas are Unconstitutional Here. (0+ / 0-)

        First a policy must be constitutional, then we have to make it legal.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:22:51 PM PDT

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      •  Those sanctions are being enforced constantly (2+ / 0-)
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        BlackSheep1, Calamity Jean

        Whole agencies devoted to it, both state and local

        Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to hire, recruit or refer for a fee any alien not authorized to work in the United States. This includes hiring contractors who employ illegal immigrants. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.

        It is also illegal for any employer not to verify work authorization. An employer who does not correctly complete an I-9 for each employee three days after the employee is hired is also subject to criminal and civil punishment.

        What Are the Penalties For Hiring An Illegal Immigrant?

        For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

        For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 05:11:03 AM PDT

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      •  Putting teeth into the sanctions is a great (1+ / 0-)
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        JeffW

        idea.  But the teeth have to be Constitutional.  I'd love to see employers of undocumented migrants jailed, your first suggestion is great.  Don't cripple that idea by hitching it to an impossible one.  

        "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

        by Calamity Jean on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 09:23:20 AM PDT

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  •  If states could vote, this would pass over here in (0+ / 0-)

    Utah in a heartbeat. Of course, we're really, really right wing.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:39:02 PM PDT

    •  Make them own it! (3+ / 0-)

      How would that impact conservative business owners in Utah?  They'd hate it, of course.

      And that's the point.  Conservatives spend a fortune telling the rest of the country that there "illegal immigrants" constitute an invasion that is bankrupting the country.

      If that's so, let's punish those who make it possible:  The employers.

      I doubt any such bill would ever be passed in Congress, but it's important to move the debate -- change the framing, as it were -- to put the onus on the employers who want to give jobs only to sub-citizens instead of to fellow Americans.

  •   e verify would end it immediately and no one (0+ / 0-)

    would get busted. But then who would do all your work?

    Support for illegal workers is a bipartisan type thing. Would you be willing to pay another fifty cents a pound for tomatoes? I didn't think so.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:47:07 PM PDT

    •  No, it's not bipartisan (2+ / 0-)
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      I buy my produce at a farmer's market, year round.  When I can't get fresh, I buy canned organic, which cost more anyway.

      But that's not the point.   For the tiny advantage I might get, I pay much more from the depression of wages that non-citizen workers bring with them.  And that tiny advantage pales in comparison to the profits that conservatives reap from having non-citizen labor.

      Did I really have to spell this out?

      •  Are you under the impression (5+ / 0-)

        that organic produce and produce from farmer's markets is not produced by any undocumented workers?

        Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort. - Voltaire
        Don't trust anyone over 84414 - BentLiberal

        by BentLiberal on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:47:48 PM PDT

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      •  All business owners in certain industries employ (1+ / 0-)
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        andalusi

        illegals. It's that or go out of business. Do you have a house made in the past 20 years? Been to a restaurant? Eaten food? HIred a nanny, landscape company, grass cutter?

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 07:14:15 AM PDT

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  •  It's illegal to hire undoct workers (0+ / 0-)
  •  This diary needs some work . (0+ / 0-)

    1. The tea party and the GOP can not pass any legislation tomorrow.
    2. There are laws against hiring undocumented workers.
    3. The discussion is not so much about punishing undocumented workers but about not giving US citizenship to the undocumented under any immigration reform bill.

    But the part about the GOP wanting to make any beneficiaries under the law to be second class citizens is correct.

  •  Part 1 is already illegal. Part 2 in the form you (1+ / 0-)
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    DownstateDemocrat

    describe is unconstitutional.

  •  How does this deal with the (1+ / 0-)
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    Chas 981

    current situation of 9-11 million undocumented people currently in the country?  These people are not going back to Mexico, because the US has been their home for over a decade, and they are not going back.

    We need immigration reform and some kind of work visa for people who are here.
    When have punitive measures ever worked for a desired outcome?

    If I had one wish, Republican men would have uteruses.

    by Desert Rose on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:51:53 PM PDT

  •  You need to look a few things up (0+ / 0-)
    1.  Made it illegal to knowingly hire undocumented workers
    Its already illegal to hire undocumented workers---everywhere in the USA.

    If its a crime to employ an illegal worker, its no less a crime to be illegally employed.

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 05:05:49 AM PDT

  •  To get amnesty a worker should make a list (0+ / 0-)

    They should have to provide a list of all employers they had and the fines and back taxes and penalties would then be paid by the employers.  

    If they won't make a list - they get deported.

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