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A study published in Nature has some more bad news about global warming. This time it's Antarctica. Andrea Germanos reports at Common Dreams:

[T]he world's largest ice sheet, previously thought to be at little risk from climate change, has undergone rapid changes in the past five decades, signaling a potential threat to global sea levels. The East Antarctic Ice Sheet (EAIS) holds enough water to raise sea levels over 50 meters.

Antarctica melts
The moving end point of the glacier on the
 EAIS marks an ebb and flow in area previously
 thought to be resilient to climate change.

Using declassified spy satellite data from 1963 to 2012, researchers from the University of Durham looked at 175 glaciers along the ocean margins of the ice sheet and found "widespread and synchronous changes" consistent with climate change.

"We've shown for the first time that these glaciers are in concert with climate," Chris Stokes, a professor of geography at Durham University and an lead researcher of the paper, told LiveScience.

"People have thought because [the EAIS] is so big and so cold, it must be some way off a threshold of showing a reaction to climate but actually it is quite sensitive and we can see melt water ponds forming along the margin of this part of the ice sheet," Stokes explained further.

"If the climate is going to warm in the future, our study shows that large parts of the margins of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet are vulnerable to the kinds of changes that are worrying us in Greenland and West Antarctica—acceleration, thinning and retreat," said Stokes.

"We need to monitor their behavior more closely and maybe reassess our rather conservative predictions of future ice sheet dynamics in East Antarctica."


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2007Nuclear Weapons, Nonproliferation, and the 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidates:

It was July 16, 1945. At 5:29:45 AM, the quiet southern New Mexico desert morning was shattered by an explosion, the effects of which were felt as far north as Albuquerque. It was the famous Trinity nuclear weapon test, the brainchild of the Manhattan Project, born of the concern that Nazi Germany was developing a similar weapon.

However, Germany wasn't on anyone's mind that morning, as World War II had ended in Europe two months earlier. The war still raged in the Pacific theater; after the successful test of "the gadget" in New Mexico, Manhattan Project Metallurgical Laboratory scientist Leo Szilard, and 69 of his colleagues sent a petition to President Truman expressing their opposition to the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. The petition warned of triggering an arms race, with dire international consequences.


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It was an "encore performance" of the Kagro in the Morning show today, with another look back at where we were a year ago: Recapping the craziness of the Republican National Convention's first night, both on the podium and on the floor. Rick Santorum's grandfather's (secretly socialist) hands. Kelly Ayotte's lemonade stand. Nikki Haley's Sudafed. Chris Christie's... Chris Christie. And more. Plus Greg Dworkin's daily polling and issues analysis, and Armando's take on the shouting down of Zoraida Fonalledas.



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  •  Ununpentium, 115th element is confirmed. (29+ / 0-)

    It only lasts microseconds and is totally useless, but it requires a name, now.
    Sounds like John McCain plucking Sarah Palin from obscurity and naming her as his VP candidate.

    Palinium?

    Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

    by franklyn on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:32:37 PM PDT

  •  975,044 registered users on dKos now. (18+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

    just1zone
    jeffrey405 (user #975,036: spammer)
    yeah imasock (user #975,037: spammer)
    ran12mil (user #975,038: spammer)
    Pat Huggins
    painter37 (user #975,040: spammer)
    Nesser1
    hdbrental1 (user #975,042: spammer)
    katedavis325 (user #975,043: probable spammer)
    politically indigo


    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #974,900: ElizabethJMyles (spammer)
    #975,000: Vet63 (writer on PTSD issues)

    We've added 158 more users in the last 24 hours.  We're no longer being flooded with all those fake users.


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, here's the Talking Heads' "Wild, Wild Life" from 1986.

  •  I've read all the arguments about not dropping... (10+ / 0-)

    ...Little Boy and Fat Man, and then I remember that a young Lt. Commander was serving in the Pacific, and had he not survived participating in an invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, my lovely wife might never had been born 6 years later.

    And besides, all the Monday morning quarterbackin' isn't going to change what happened.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:36:19 PM PDT

  •  MSNBC's Syria coverage (9+ / 0-)

    Chris had on retired Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Mouaz Moustafa, who's been helping the Syrian rebels.

    Rachel talked with Andrea Mitchell.

    And Alex Wagner, filling in for Lawrence, had on Chris Hayes and Steve Kornacki, and then talked with Jeremy Bash, former Chief of Staff to Leon Panetta at both the CIA and the DoD.

  •  Chris Hayes talks with Cory Booker... (5+ / 0-)

    on a variety of issues, from marijuana to his opponent Steve Lonegan's homophobic response to Booker asking what's wrong with being gay?

  •  OK, so monitor their behavior and reassess (5+ / 0-)

    predictions...  and ... and ... and  do what now about climate change?

    (This rather disparaging comment brought to you by the folks at "Facts Just Don't Seem To Matter That Much To The PTB".)

    Dance lightly upon the Earth, Sing her songs with wild abandon, Smile upon all forms of Life ...and be well.

    by LinSea on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:39:29 PM PDT

  •  IRS & Treasury will recognize same-sex marriage.. (15+ / 0-)

    ..for Federal tax purposes

    IRS - August 29, 2013

    Treasury and IRS Announce That All Legal Same-Sex Marriages Will Be Recognized For Federal Tax Purposes; Ruling Provides Certainty, Benefits and Protections Under Federal Tax Law for Same-Sex Married Couples
    :)
  •  so when do deniers give a damn? what does it take (13+ / 0-)

    to get them off their obstructing, denying butts?

    Fires like the rim that can't even be stopped by our brave fire fighters nor by the use of drones, but instead reported we must wait for snow or rain?

    i guess deniers see rising sea levels as handy source to put out fires?

    here's time lapse video of fire, where smoke is now hitting 100 miles away in Nevada towns, causing emergency warnings to stay indoors and people hitting ERs.

    •  It's easy for Big Oil, the Kochs, Republicans, etc (7+ / 0-)

      to get their idiot Teabagger base to buy into their anti-climate change crap.

      1) Earth is actually cooling. Don't listen to the elitist libs who just want to raise taxes on hard working 'Mercan's.

      or

      2 Earth is warming....because Jesus.

      - Lather

      - Rinse

      - Repeat

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:50:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Myself, I'm waiting for the realists (0+ / 0-)

      -- the ones who admit climate change is real -- to swear off their addiction to warfare, seeing as it isn't exactly a "green" activity.

      Fortunately for my own health, I can hold my breath for only so long.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:52:47 PM PDT

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  •  gotta check E. Antarctica off my relocation list (7+ / 0-)

    now, dammit

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:41:45 PM PDT

  •  NSFW!! (5+ / 0-)

    Here's DJ Lubel's "Wrong Hole".

    It yielded a response video from Taryn Southern, "Wrong Hole: The Untold Story".

    Obviously, these are both INCREDIBLY not safe for work.

  •  NSA says WAPO Wrong about 4000 investigations (9+ / 0-)

    Says the 4000 investigations of privacy violations were simply part of standard operating procedure.

    The National Security Agency on Thursday disputed a published report that secret intelligence budget files provided by agency leaker Edward Snowden show that the surveillance agency warned in 2012 that it planned to investigate up to 4,000 cases of possible internal security breaches.
    *  *  *
    "NSA planned to initiate 4,000 reinvestigations on civilian employees to reduce the potential of an insider compromise of sensitive information and missions," agency spokesman Vanee M. Vines said late Thursday. "Periodic reinvestigations are conducted as one due-diligence component of our multifaceted insider threat program."

    Vines said such reinvestigations are required under a 2008 federal directive governing high-security clearances for intelligence workers.

    As of Thursday night, the Post had not amended its reporting.

    Go back to your Facebook.
  •  If you are in need of a laugh, might I direct you (3+ / 0-)
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    annieli, Aunt Pat, Jeff Y

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:43:14 PM PDT

    •  OOPSZ! Hit send too soon. Here is my favorite (7+ / 0-)

      comment!

      Avatar
      etguild2 • 4 hours ago −
      I've learned to stop doubting PPP, for better or worse. Tim Kaine's margin of victory in Virginia last year: 53-47. PPP's prediction: 53-47, the only one to nail it. Obama's margin of victory in Virginia? 4 points. PPP's prediction: 4 points...only 2 out of 10 statewide polls got that. Off year in the Governor's race in 2009? In the top tier, two points closer than Rasmussen. Fool me once....and also Quinnipiac, which was 3rd of 10 on Obama in VA last year, and 3rd of 8 on Kaine shows a similar margin. Clearly, McDonnell is dragging on Ken.
      LOL!!! Some obviously can do math. Some cannot. I predict etguild2 will be banned soon for speakin'the truf!

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:46:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Another ban candidate!! (5+ / 0-)
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        trem  midwestconservative • 2 hours ago −
        If the phrase "skew the polls" never gets brought up again we will be much better as a party. Let us please not go down the delusional road again.
        I'm lovin'it!

        if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

        by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:48:11 PM PDT

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        •  BAAWAAA!!!! (5+ / 0-)
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          Avatar
          oregon2red • 5 hours ago −
          I see Redstate is back to promoting www.unskewedpolls.com

          if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

          by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:49:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  there's a name for Republicans ... (8+ / 0-)

        who can do arithmetic and dispassionately assess reality:

        Future Democrats.

        •  No kidding! I lurk on RedState fairly frequently (3+ / 0-)
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          JeffW, this just in, Jeff Y

          and the rational folks (few that they are) are getting restless. I was frankly surprised to see the pushback on this ppp bashing piece.  

          if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

          by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:16:41 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  If Va elects nutbag, Taliban Cooch... (4+ / 0-)
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        .....sigh....I give up.

        ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:00:01 PM PDT

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        •  I will put my money on that it will not happen (2+ / 0-)
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          They are pissing off folks who normally do not give a shit. Those are the folks we need to motivate to get to the polls. Hell, they are pissing off women and minorities at speeds. I think if the D's can harness these voters and get ém to the polls 2014 will be a disaster for the R's. And I hope RedState just keeps their damn head in the sand. So far, they are doing a great job. laa, laa, laa  not "conservative" enough. yeah, baby! Keep tacking to the right. Since I live in the bay area... Here is a parable for them... AC72 ORACLE TEAM USA Capsizes in San Francisco

          if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

          by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:29:21 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  For those of you not into sailing/or not in the (2+ / 0-)
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            this just in, Jeff Y

            Bay Area. Larry Ellison won the America's Cup. That means it is now in SF. woohoo!!! Or so we all thought. But apparently, the winner can dictate the type of boat to compete in the next challenge. So Ol' Billionaire Larry - designed these 72' catamarans with 130-' carbon fiber sails as THE boat of choice to challengers to the America's Cup. It is the billionaires boys club indeed as only 3 countries have decided to compete. New Zealand just kicked Italy's ass 7-1 and will take on Larry after the Labor Day weekend.

            I will give it this about that. Those boats are f'n amazing. The old boring sport of sailing just got turned into NASCAR/NHRA/F1. Mostly, F1. I and many other bay area folks will be rooting for NZ. Larry made many promises about how this would deliver tourism/jobs to SF, not happening. And that is just sad as the SF Bay IS a natural amphitheatre for sailing.

            NBC sports 220 on directv has been televising tape delay so far but will be doing live broadcast for the Americas Cup. It is worth checking out.

            I will still stand with my back to Larry Ellison's funeral procession when it occurs. PSFT 07022.
             

            if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

            by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:01:40 PM PDT

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            •  Larry's never met anyone he couldn't alienate /nt (1+ / 0-)
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              •  True! This time he has seemed to piss off an (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                this just in

                entire city! Go Larry! But he got what he wanted as far as control of land on the SF waterfront. And that is truly all he really cares about. I will be rooting for NZ all the way when these races start after Labor Day.

                if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

                by mrsgoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:14:35 PM PDT

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  •  50 meters? That's gotta be a typo (7+ / 0-)
    The East Antarctic Ice Sheet (EAIS) holds enough water to raise sea levels over 50 meters.
    It's either a typo, or it's the end of civilization.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:45:56 PM PDT

    •  Ice Can't Compete Against Microsecond Trades (4+ / 0-)
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      Jeff Y, JeffW, this just in, Eric Nelson

      for speed of ending civilization.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:10:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hey, where'd the beach go?!?! (4+ / 0-)

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:14:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think it's no typo. (12+ / 0-)

      And there is the added thrill of acceleration to the warming feedback loop that will greatly outpace the arctic. Methane is contained in the surface ice of the antarctic.
      But let's just keep on pretending we can continue with business as usual...everybody's doing it. Let's get with the program.

    •  I live in an area that will be obliterated by (4+ / 0-)
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      rktect, LinSea, JeffW, Calamity Jean

      sea rise. I was chatting with my husband about this, and that we should make long term plans for this because if current estimates are accurate, sea rise will arrive when we're into retirement -- not exactly the time you want to have a home that's absolutely worthless AND unlivable.

      He asked if I thought that was accurate.

      No, I said. Every estimate has proven to be incredibly conservative. Climate change and sea rise are happening faster than any model has previously predicted.

      After reading about the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, I guess tomorrow I'll wake him up and tell him that I'm going to pack up the house and we should put it on the market by the end of next week.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 12:32:43 AM PDT

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    •  Not a typo but not the end of civilization (3+ / 0-)
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      Civilization won't last the several Milena they are projecting it will take for East Antarctica to shed all its miles thick ice. I'm not sure we last for the rest of my lifetime and I'll be 68 in October.

      More than 100 east coast cities with populations of 100,000 people or more are at risk now for storm surge, flooding, loss of barrier islands, salt pollution of aquifers, loss of soil bearing capacity, the disruption of underground communications utilities, power, water, sewer, water treatment, sewage treatment, power stations (some nuclear), and infrastructure that can't be protected with sea walls and levees.

      The IPCC has leaked projections showing that sea level rise is exhibiting surprising acceleration and will be at a minimum worse than its previous worst case scenarios.

      Just the sea level rise from thermal expansion, melting glaciers and other fossil water in Greenland will be on the order of meters rather than feet much sooner than even the latest IPCC projections because its a conservative body attempting to gain consensus from the largest possible number of scientists that sea level rise and other climate change is anthropogenic.

      Modeling showing an exponential rise increasing at an increasing rate following the Fibonacci series and even in the short term doubling every decade could have our shorelines moving back a furlong in this decade, two furlongs in the next, and very quickly ending up somewhere around the foothills of the Appalachians.

      Everywhere in the world the first highways were rivers and the first cities are built at river mouths so that in America perhaps 90% of our population is close enough to the ocean to be disrupted in their commute to work, access to the stores where they shop, damage to their homes and businesses, the provision of utilities we take for granted such as power, communications, water, sewer, not to mention such services as fire, police, emergency rescue and healthcare.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 12:50:58 AM PDT

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      •  distance conversion (2+ / 0-)
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        ... could have our shorelines moving back a furlong in this decade, two furlongs in the next, and very quickly ending up somewhere around the foothills of the Appalachians.  
        One furlong equals 660 feet.

        "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

        by Calamity Jean on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 01:29:57 PM PDT

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        •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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          JeffW

          In areas where the ground is relatively flat (Route 10 along the Gulf Coast) or even slopes down behind a barrier dune like most of the East and Gulf coast, storms like Katrina or Sandy have brought flooding and storm surges as much as a mile (8 furlongs) inland.

          That's enough for storm surges of up to 3 meters to breach barrier islands, take out roads and bridges, destroy ocean front homes and businesses, and generally turn the east and gulf coasts into kindling.

          Lets say the ground slopes 1/32" per foot. 1" of rise moves the shore back 32 feet. 1 cubit (21") of rise, a wave  up to your mid calf moves the shore back 672'.

          At even 1/16" per foot, a foot of rise brings the shore back 198' and a meter of rise moves the shore back 630'. The leaked IPCC report expects a meter of rise by 2100. So far their worst case expectations have been the minimum rise actually observed. Some people think sea level rise of a meter could occur much sooner.

          Look at the elevation of coastal roads in your area and I'll bet a forty year life cycle for shore front property ceases to look either feasible or attractive to you.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 04:36:39 PM PDT

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  •  Must-read on Syria and red lines... (6+ / 0-)

    from Stonekettle Station.

    Some of those positions from the professional sources, for or against action, have at least some merit – well, maybe not Glenn Beck’s unless you stay awake for a week on speed washed down with cheap bourbon as a number of those commenters obviously did – but something’s missing.

    Did you see it?

    For or against, do you see the common thread?

    National leaders, pundits, politicians, the media, when these people speak of action, or inaction, one thing is missing.

    People.

    Human beings.

    He doesn't like people quoting him, so go read the whole thing over there.  He lays out reasons for going in and for not going in.  But it comes down to the people themselves.  And on that... it gets much more complicated.  Or maybe the answer is so deceptively easy.
    •  Am I the only one who hates this idiotic (4+ / 0-)
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      'red line' crap? Seriously, it sounds like something Dubya would say.

      I can't believe Obama has allowed the neocon assclowns to bully him into a corner like this on Syria.

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:21:30 PM PDT

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      •  Hey, if he fights his way out of the corner, (2+ / 0-)
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        then it'll be by bombing Syria.

        Give the President some credit for agency.  He drew that red line all by himself.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:55:53 PM PDT

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    •  How about giving Obama some credit (2+ / 0-)
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      for having already having provided the rebels with connections to funding, food, shelter, clothing, medical supplies, communications, intelligence, conventional weapons, advisers, and logistical networks, without us even realizing that some of those connections are to groups some might label al Qaeda in about the same way some might label pot growers in the California hills as part of the Mexican drug cartels.

      I think US special forces began learning to redefine friend and enemy with our experience in the Vietnam war, and then the jungles of Latin America Asia and Africa through first having already made all those mistakes before, and secondly intensifying language and cultural training so that we could sit down with potential force extenders; connect their kids to medical care and win their hearts and minds instead of just kill them.

      Obama has a policy of dealing with mid level leaders directly rather than directing all aid through a few rich fat cats who siphon off 90% of it.

      Its true he has been saddled with Karzai in Afghanistan along with a number of bandits, drug dealers, warlords, genocidal tribal racists, rapists and religious zealots that are legacies of our covert actions against the Russians, CIA logistical negotiations with Pakistan and other neighbors who will let military supplies pass overland through their tribal territory in return for massive bribes and taxes.

      Despite having to deal with the Defense department, various religious special interests, the MIC, unsavory allies, political opposition, mercenaries, war profiteers, bad intelligence, double agents and all the rest of the civil war in a foreign country bullshit we still have a lid on the pressure cooker that is brewing up and distilling the mash for the next major Mideast land war. We aren't doing any conventional fighting in Libya, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Russia, China, Mexico or Canada yet.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 01:22:27 AM PDT

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  •  If you'd like an upbeat diary which celebrates (9+ / 0-)

    progressivism, try this one about the Courage Ride (with pretty pictures, too.).



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:50:49 PM PDT

  •  About the GOP declining invites to the march... (7+ / 0-)

    so right-wingers were still clinging to how Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC), the only black Senator, wasn't invited.  Actually, it turns out he WAS invited, but also declined since he was going to be in South Carolina at the time.

    Now his defenders are claiming the organizers of the march didn't give him enough time by sending the invite only a few weeks before the event.  Yes, like he and others had NO idea it was going to happen specifically on August 28, 2013.

    Here's Rachel and Alex (filling in for Lawrence) talking about that.  Chris Hayes talked about it too, but for some reason that's the only clip from tonight's show that ISN'T available on their website.

    Alex also talked about how the FBI had wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. shortly after the March on Washington, with the approval of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy.

    •  The GOP and the March (2+ / 0-)
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      Priebus:  "Can't make the sale if you don't show up and ask for the order."

      McCain and Cantor were invited / weren't invited / couldn't attend.

      Sen. Tim Scott wasn't invited / wasn't available.

      Doc is here.  Doc is not here.

      Clearly, all were petrified that they might be asked about the substance of the day on camera, and that their actual thoughts might, despite their best efforts, leak out.

  •  not"fired up" or "ready to go" after the Brits nix (5+ / 0-)

    early US-UK military assault in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria

    The government was prevented, by a remarkable 285 votes to 272, from mounting a premature and foolish attack on Syria. Parliament, so often sneered at, did its job when it mattered. The principal loser from an extraordinary 72 hours was David Cameron. The prime minister returned from holiday expecting that he would be able to deliver a Commons majority for an early US-UK military assault in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Three days later, he has failed. A combination of pressures, including public opinion, military caution, Tory backbench uncertainty and a well-played Labour counter-strategy meant Mr Cameron had to scale back and slow down his ambitions. But even that was not enough. As the former army chief Lord Dannatt put it: "The public didn't like it, and the debate has changed." Mr Cameron asked for a blank cheque, but in the end the Commons would not even give him the note of conditional willingness to pay in the future. Mr Cameron's instant reaction suggests he will not be trying again any time soon.
    The US defense official also indicated that the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and its escorts remain in the area of the US Fifth Fleet, which extends from the Red Sea to the Gulf and Arabian Sea. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, currently on a week-long trip to Southeast Asia, told the BBC that US forces were in place and "ready to go" if Obama gives the order but no such decision has yet been made.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:56:35 PM PDT

  •  Has anyone here (3+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson, SolarMom, LinSea

    ever worked for USPIRG, or one of their state affiliates?

    I ask because I recently applied for a job there, but the more I read about experiences people had working for PIRG, the worse it sounds.  Stories abound of shitty pay for long hours (to be expected at a non-profit, in all fairness), and unreasonable weekly quotas that result in immediate dismissal if not met.

    Granted, most of these stories were from people who worked as organizers.  I applied for the fellowship position, so that may be different.

    I was just wondering if there was anyone here who had ever worked for one of these organizations, especially if it was as a fellow, who could enlighten me on what to expect.

    •  "Great but not forever: says an.. (3+ / 0-)
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      annieli, grover, LinSea

      ..Anonymous Employee (Current Employee)
      I have been working at U.S. PIRG

      Pros – You will get a ton of grassroot organzing experience. Lots of responsibility...fast. Tons of training. Its the dirtiest (get your hands dirty) way to to get to wear many different hats in the grassroots organizing/politics world. The work with the PIRGs is not for the weary. But can be very rewarding personally. (Because of all the experience)

      Cons – Many, many hours for very little pay. The work, if you don't have excellent boundaries can consume your life.

      Yes, I would recommend this company to a friend

      Some are not as pleased though

      That's all I could find. But JeffW uaually knows about stuff like this imo

      You might ask him, he's around here somewhere.

       good luck

    •  Different experiences by different people... (6+ / 0-)

      ...from what I've heard. At least some people who have worked for PIRGs for a year or two (I've known quite a few) seemed to have learn a boatload of skills and made networking connections that were useful in whatever things they did next. But, yeah, the money and hours suck.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:35:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Canvassed for MassPIRG.... (5+ / 0-)

      ....in 1985. I was a college student.

      Great experience, but rapid burnout. Good thing it was just a summer job. I got to hone my one-on-one speaking skills, found out I was pretty articulate on policy stuff (had no idea before).  So it was definitely a growth and confidence building experience.

      That said, you can only knock on doors for so long.

      The issues MassPIRG lobbied on were important, and they seemed effective, at least back then.

      But that's all I know. I'm really glad I did it, but have no idea if other jobs with the organization are worthwhile, or if the canvassing experience has change over the last 25 years.

      “Better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference.” -- FDR, 1936

      by SolarMom on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:00:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  "That said, you can only knock on doors for so (0+ / 0-)

        long."
        You just hit the nail on the head. Not to put you down in anyway, but it takes a very special breed. Lord, knows I ain't one of 'em.

        Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

        by franklyn on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:12:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I got fired from PIRG for trying to unionize (1+ / 0-)
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      corvo

      the canvass staff. But then, I got fired from Citizen Action's canvass for the same reason.

      And yes, back then (1997) the pay was shit and the hours were long. And no overtime for the 9-10 hour days.  And if you miss weekly quota you go on "probation", and if you miss again, you were out the door.

      Don't let all the bullshit about how you are "organizing people" and "getting people involved in progressive politics" fool you---you are a fundraiser, period. All they want is checks in your pocket.

      •  I had that kind of experience (0+ / 0-)

        with Clean Water Action here, only it was worse.

        It sounds like at least PIRG gives you extensive training.  With CWA, "training" literally consisted of reading a few pieces of literature about the issue we were "organizing" for at the time (fracking), and then sending us out with someone who was more experienced for about an hour to watch them basically badger people for money.  I don't mean just ask.  I'm talking asking them 2-3 more times after getting a no the first time.  After that, we were on our own the rest of the night, and were expected to raise a certain amount that night.  Mind you, this was right before Christmas, when people have less money to give anyway.

        I ended up doing even worse than I'd expected, partly because at one point I'd slipped on some ice and fucked my knee up pretty good, so I was slowed down.  Didn't stop them from firing me that night for not raising the required amount.  Seemed like bullshit, since I got minimal training, and as I said, right before Christmas.

        The reviews I've seen for the PIRG jobs sound kind of similar, but as I said, it sounds like at least they train you better than CWA did.

        I'm also trying to find specific stuff for the fellowship position, since all the bad stuff I've heard about is for organizers.  So I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their fellowship program.

    •  Check glassdoor.com (1+ / 0-)
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      LinSea

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 12:36:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The reviews are posted under the Mass job (2+ / 0-)
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        LinSea, JeffW

        openings, but it looks like folks who worked at different levels from across the nation.

        There are some pretty brutal reviews. I always consider that people who post at sites like this usually aren't going to be the happy employees, but there is some info here that you probably should consider before you sign on.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 12:43:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I did, but there didn't seem to be (0+ / 0-)

        any reviews specifically for the fellowship position, which is what I'd applied for.

  •  KO's show tonight led with the Doug Kotar story (0+ / 0-)
    how many Doug Kotars have there been?
    OTOH UConn loses to Towson--- LOL, they should schedule Appalachian State and Sacramento State next year

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:15:35 PM PDT

  •  photo diary: Costa Rica (2+ / 0-)
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    Meteor Blades, LinSea

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    The most gorgeous place on earth . . .?

    :)

  •  Deja Vu all over again! (2+ / 0-)
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    corvo, LinSea

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:38:16 PM PDT

  •  Detroit Bankruptcy: No paper (2+ / 0-)
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    LinSea, JeffW
    The Detroit NewsAugust 29, 2013 at 10:33 am
    Death (certificates) took holiday in wake of bankruptcy filing
    City couldn't issue death - or birth - certificates because skittish vendor wanted cash to supply paper

    Detroit’s funeral directors received this unusual text message last month. “FYI, city of Detroit can’t process death certificates because they have no paper and don’t have money to buy any.”

    The message, from a fellow funeral director, was mostly true: The city did stop issuing certified copies of birth and death certificates on July 23, days after the July 18 bankruptcy filing. That day, a nervous paper vendor demanded cash — and the city wanted to do business as usual, on credit.
    ~~~~~
    Without certified copies of death certificates, families couldn’t access bank accounts, file insurance claims, or access probate court. The families are often struggling financially, grieving and frustrated by any bureaucratic delay. And although funeral homes provide copies as a service to families, they wind up taking the heat.

    While funeral homes and hospitals could file birth and death certificates on July 23, the city requires a special embossed paper for certified copies. Because the forms are unique to each jurisdiction, the paper couldn’t be borrowed — although some funeral directors tried to lend paper to the records department.

    [More at link.]

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 12:46:19 AM PDT

  •  GW won't make ocean high enough to cover Detroit (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, Calamity Jean

    But it will be quite a chronicle as NYC has to be progressively abandoned over the decades to come. Will all its various components (finance, education, art, sport, fashion, etc) relocate to the same area, or scatter all over the country? One of those things that nobody seems to ponder...
    Funny, I remember a Catholic school myth/legend that after the Deluge, God supposedly told Noah He would never again destroy humanity with a flood.
    And then God said "WAHN wah."
    However, I find it hard to believe anybody, no matter what his professional standing, could possibly claim that the Antarctic was immune to global warming. That's like saying that the ice cube in a glass in  the bottom cabinet farthest from the stove in a 90-degree (hell a 40 degree)kitchen would possibly not melt. ANYPLACE on this planet surface is affected by the rising ambient heat of the planet. No exceptions.
    Thermodynamics ... it's the law.

    Ash-sha'b yurid isqat an-nizam!

    by fourthcornerman on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:11:46 AM PDT

  •  Ice Melts From the Bottom Up, (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Calamity Jean

    but global warming deniers aren't concerned with Facts or TRUTH because they have a disdain for these things.

    (Even Alaska teabagger governor Sarah Palin knows that global warming is a reality because she empanelled a commission to study the effects of permafrost thawing on Alaskan infrastructure since buildings were sinking and breaking apart and oil pipeline supports were sinking and pipelines were breaking and spilling oil.  Money and political promotion made her lie.).

    (And UC-Berkeley climate physicist Richard Muller who was a Kochroach-funded global warming denier changed his tune after re-examining the climate data and easily concluded that global warming was real and 100% man-made.)

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