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  •  I don't like the idea.That said, well done. (2+ / 0-)
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    gooderservice, meinoregon


  •  Poorly drawn, sir (6+ / 0-)

    The elephants would throw at Obama, not the dunk tank trigger.

    I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:04:41 PM PDT

  •  It's supposed to be tough to go to war (10+ / 0-)

    The drafters of the Constitution did everything they could to keep the US from playing the European game of Empire.  It's actually against the Constitution for the US to have a standing army.  Never mind invasions of choice,

    Clap On, Clap Off, The Clapper!

    by ActivistGuy on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:24:15 PM PDT

  •  Quasi Shock (0+ / 0-)

    The US economy almost collapsed.  Exactly how bad does it have to get before the media break out the "Depression" tag?

  •  If it was really that bad (1+ / 0-)
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    then why are presidents always so eager to bomb people?

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:49:31 PM PDT

  •  The back-channel action should have been (2+ / 0-)
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    meinoregon, TLS66

    going on before Obama said anything about red lines, or it should have begun immediately afterward so that when the time came there would have been a coalition that had had time to chew on it.  But the GOP's childish yammering that Putin has leaped into the breach, especially from Bob Corker, as the congress hogtied Obama because they are working on 2014 and especially 2016.  

    The glory days of the US are over because the GOP has wished it so and worked for it, anything to nail Obama.  There will be nothing much left for them to govern should they win in the future.  They've pretty much choked the life out of government.  Hope they love the Koch agenda and attending the church they're told to after they deposit their slave wages in the bank of the Company Store.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:50:51 PM PDT

    •  Why do you think it wasn't going on? (3+ / 0-)
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      I don't get why everyone assumes this president is an inept moron who can't get anything right. When has he demonstrated that he can't plan for the future?

      I know it's fun to say "11th dimensional chess" but isn't it a crazy coincidence how "lucky" he seems to randomly get and how things just happen to break for him sometimes.

      Might it be that it's not all just luck?

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:03:50 PM PDT

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      •  did you really mean (0+ / 0-)

        "...can plan for the future..."?

        if not, then i cannot get it - the point - that which you speak of in written format.

        " social life's a dud; my name is really mud; i'm up to here in lies; i guess i'm down to size, down to SIIIIZE..." music machine
      •  I don't think he's inept at all. It's the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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        that aided Putin in his endzone dance by jumping up and collectively pointing at the "red line."  They made an issue of it before anyone in the international community did.  But it would have been sweet if UK and several others besides France would have supported the action or at least the threat of it.  France has some jets that could get the job done.  Perhaps they will go for it.

        I would like to see the US sit this one out even though we have troops in Jordan just across the border right now.

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        by judyms9 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:19:18 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, they are. (1+ / 0-)
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      The glory days of the US are over
      If there were ever any "glory days," the past thirty years have killed it.   Obama's not to blame for that, but he sure as hell isn't helping to turn the tide.
  •  Obama was not alone up there (1+ / 0-)
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    He had a lot of friendly forward looking faces with him like Bush, Cheney, Kissinger and Kerry.

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:58:34 PM PDT

  •  Hate it. (2+ / 0-)
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    meinoregon, TLS66

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:02:33 PM PDT

  •  if that's the only way... (0+ / 0-) get bipartisanship, well then, in the words of that banner for our previous world leader, "mission accomplished!"

    "...we don't know how to mind our own business, 'cause the whole world's got to be just like us. now we are fighting a war over there no matter who wins, you know we can't pay the cost..." john kay-(then); vladimir putin-channeling it (now)
  •  Nobody is this stupid, are they? (1+ / 0-)
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    At least here?  You are aware that war wasn't the goal, aren't you?  

  •  Great to see so many Kossacks ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Stand with Rand!

    And against 'war' with Syria.  Cuz that's what it woulda been you know.


  •  Curiouser and curiouser (0+ / 0-)

    Watching this unholy liberal-tarian alliance collude with child-gassing tyrant Assad and the gay-hating KGB thug Putin to undermine 1) human rights and 2) the only country whose citizens would dare to elect an African immigrant's son President (something that would never happen in Europe and which, yes, makes America exceptional), and 3) basic common sense is nothing short of mind-boggling.

    Vladimir Putin lectures Americans on freedom, democracy, and exceptionalism, and Americna idiots applaud. #twilightzone

      •  Read it (0+ / 0-)

        But I don't see anything that justifies the far left and far right allowed Putin and Assad to run roughshod over the children of Syria. The authors three points -- 1) war weariness, 2) opposition to defense spending, and 3) opposition to use of force save immiment dangers -- are unconvincing to me in the face of egregrious human rights abuses. The first is selfish, the second partisan, and the third the kind of naivetee that encouraged the world to stand idly by while Germany gassed Jews and Rwandans slaughtered the vulnerable, both of which could have been ameloriated had the powers that be stepped in earlier.

        The author's contention that 60% opposition is not limited to the hard left and right is obviously false: the 40% who are not opposed represent those who are not on the political fringe, who are not indifferent towards the plight of Syria refugees, who understand that in an non-uptopian world imperfect and choices have to be made, and who thus are not willing to sacrifice human rights for personal political martyrdom.

        What gets me is how the same people enabling Putin's and Assad's dithering and fiddling while Syrian men, women, and children burn are the same characters who criticize Clinton for not stepping in during Rwanda's genocide. Whatever it is: they're against it.

        •  And Godwin (2+ / 0-)
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          priceman, Nada Lemming

          You keep pointing to Putin and Assad and ignoring the fact that millions of people around the word were saying the same thing for years.

          Admit it...

          You want war, you want destruction, you want death in the name of...

          War does not equal peace, destruction does not equal construction and Death does not equal life.

          You obviously think dropping a few multi million dollar missiles will change attitudes. I posit that dropping a a few million dollar missiles will reinforce attitudes.

        •  Preventing Putin and Assad from ... (3+ / 0-)
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          LaEscapee, priceman, Nada Lemming

          ... running roughshod over the children of Syria is not on the table. The only issue is whether the killing of children will be restricted to bullets, artillery shells, land mines and such, or also include chemical weapons.

          Indeed, actually preventing the use of chemical weapons only came onto the table because Putin and Assad put it there ... which they wouldn't have done if chemical weapons were more effective general purpose battlefield weapons.

          Also, your political arithmetic is clearly faulty: first, supporters of the strike are certainly not limited to the center, since there are those among the hard right who support it (they just don't want to be seen as "supporting Obama), and second because the center is more than 40%, so even if every single one of the supporters are in the center, its not possible for opposition to reach 60% without there also being opposition in the center.

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          by BruceMcF on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 04:57:19 PM PDT

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  •  Where are the dead children? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't see them.

    All of my OFA sponsored sock puppets and I approve this post.

    by NoFortunateSon on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:43:39 PM PDT

  •  absolutely. yeah, right. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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