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At the Campaign for America's Future, former Wall Street executive Richard Eskow writes Memo to Washington—Occupy Movement Lives:

Today, September 17, marks the second anniversary of the Occupy movement. When that movement is mentioned at all in Washington, which is rarely, the tone is dismissive. It didn’t have coherent goals, someone may say. The movement needed an electoral strategy, someone else will add. No wonder it didn’t last.

That’s getting it backwards. The Occupy movement wasn’t the foundation for change; it was the reflection of a deeper desire for it. It was the effect, not the cause, and it won’t disappear because of the wishful thinking of a few.

Richard Eskow, senior fellow at Campaign for America's Future
Richard Eskow
Occupy was the product of a deep-seated yearning for economic justice, equality of opportunity, and a return to the kind of economy that lifted people out of poverty and spawned a large and prosperous middle class. It was the fruit of widespread and intense anger at Wall Street and corporate America, and against those in the political class who helped them hijack the economy.

If you don’t believe that last part, just ask Larry Summers.

It’s not surprising that Republicans don’t understand. The Tea Party was their well-funded project to channel populist anger, and it led to the clueless spectacle of information-starved Americans marching to eliminate their own Social Security and Medicare. But the Tea Party has become a Frankenstein’s monster that threatens its creators in the GOP establishment.

The Republicans’ mistake was spiritual and moral. They chose to channel public rage, and only rage, without reaching out to people’s idealism as well. They acted out of self-interest and therefore, perhaps inevitably, triggered only selfish instincts. Now they can’t control the anger they’ve spawned.

As the old, supposedly Chinese adage goes: He who rides the tiger cannot dismount. The GOP is stuck with its Tea Party, making it all but impossible for them to govern – even on behalf of its wealthy paymasters.

(Not) Dancing With the Ones Who Brought Them

The White House, on the other hand, should’ve known better. It, and the party which it leads, were stuck in the polling doldrums before Occupy came along. President Obama and party leaders were trying to sell the economic foolishness of Simpson-Bowles austerity and the polling-booth poison of Social Security cuts until Occupy came along. The excitement spawned by the movement, along with the new economic vocabulary it generated, gave them a new direction and new momentum.

They were smart enough to seize it all – the moment, the movement, and the language. They rode that wave of economic populism into electoral victory, recapturing the White House and the Senate and winning 1.4 million more votes for the House of Representatives than Republicans did. (The Republicans kept the House anyway, thanks to gerrymandering.)

But the administration drifted after the election, diluting the message of economic populism and failing to deliver either bold economic proposals or aggressive enforcement against criminal Wall Street banks.

Then, in a gesture of stunning tone-deafness, the White House began floating the idea of nominating Summers to head the Federal Reserve. That sent exactly the wrong message to the American people, and to the Democratic base in particular. [...]


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2009Obama Administration Revamps Missile Defense: Leaner, Meaner, and More Realistic:

The arms control and defense wonk world has been turned on its head by today's big news regarding the Obama administration's re-assessment of the Bush administration's pet project in Europe: a missile defense shield, consisting of ground-based interceptors based in Poland, and a radar array based in the Czech Republic.

The news broke very early in the morning today, via an article in the Wall Street Journal:

The White House will shelve Bush administration plans to build a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to people familiar with the matter, a move likely to cheer Moscow and roil the security debate in Europe.
By mid-morning, the news had been spun by the traditional media and conservative pundits as:

OBAMA CANCELS MISSILE DEFENSE!

Now, I'm going to speak very slowly so that everyone can understand this: 

Obama DID NOT "cancel missile defense." Hardly.


Tweet of the Day:

McArdle advice to unemployed young people. Suck it up, work for free, quit whining since you don't live in Angola. http://t.co/...
@ErikLoomis



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, Greg Dworkin rounded up the day's news, including the 2nd anniversary of OWS, Larry Summers' withdrawal, new polling on Syria, gun issues following the shooting, and the Johns Hopkins NSA blogging story that Armando helps dispense with afterward. Armando stays on for discussion on the Navy Yard shooting, a brief GunFAIL update, and then more on The Mysterious Case of Jake Tapper's Twitter Grudge. Next, the bizarre: "America's Middle East Policy Collapses," the saga of fake Syria expert Elizabeth O'Bagy, and Michelle Obama says drink more water, so conservatives become anti-water.



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  •  Here's to MB for Interesting Late Night Threads (34+ / 0-)

    ... that he has been giving us for years.  I know I'm stating the obvious, but MB rarely fails to post interesting diaries.  Thanks.

    Tagxedo is a new way to create a word cloud. I used it for the very first time in the final diary of the "Hummingbirds" Blogathon and one I posted this past Sunday night: Hummingbirds - Hopeful Voices in Our Midst.

    Tagxedo generates a much better word cloud than Wordle as it gives one many more options to enhance the image.  It is free for now and still in beta form.  I just discovered it a few days ago, spent a bit of time playing with its features, and you'll see a bunch of different shaped such images in my diary from the weekend.

    Pretty cool for a non-Geek like me, huh?  ;)


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    by JekyllnHyde on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:30:49 PM PDT

  •  977,133 registered users on dKos now. (21+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

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    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #977,000: maryahrendt
    #977,100: Giesendesign (spammer)

    We've added 134 more users in the last 24 hours.  We're no longer being flooded with all those fake users.


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, here's Kenny Loggins' "Return to Pooh Corner".

  •  the 'baggers truly have a tiger in their tail (13+ / 0-)
    As the old, supposedly Chinese adage goes: He who rides the tiger cannot dismount. The GOP is stuck with its Tea Party, making it all but impossible for them to govern – even on behalf of its wealthy paymasters.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:33:17 PM PDT

  •  If you think that gun-control; environment; (8+ / 0-)

    racism; Wall Street crime and voting rights, among others, are a problem, you are right.
    Here, however, is the zenith of all problems. I give you: getting our voters to the polls. Without that, the rest are merely divided battles that may, or may not achieve some small victory. Then again, for how long?
    Votes are power; votes are money in the bank. Votes are God Almighty.
    I plan to spend time on this. I would appreciate it every single soul here would do some thinking on it as well.
    I have begun a thought process entitled: How Do You Make Democrat Righteousness Sexy and Profitable at the Polls?
    It's that tiny businessman inside me. I've even flirted with the idea of strippers..., but what the hell.
    Think outside the box.

    Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

    by franklyn on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:34:21 PM PDT

    •  Your kind of thinking has certainly been validated (6+ / 0-)

      by organizations like PETA, which has used nudity and near-nudity to advocate for the stopping of the fur industry, for example. It does turn some heads.

      Bernie Sanders was once asked how we can get people to the polls and get them to elect more left-of-center candidates. He quickly answered educate them. The continued education of the electorate is always the answer, but that's the hard part.

      So hey, maybe the nudity first: it's that 2x4 between the eyes to first get their attention. Then it's "You're being screwed, people."

      "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

      by Wildthumb on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:40:53 PM PDT

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      •  While I appreciate everything you had to say, (6+ / 0-)

        it suggests to me that I should put the word sexy in quotes. I intended it to equate to the word, "bait."
        How the hell do we get them aroused, especially in the off-season?
        You've helped already.

        Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

        by franklyn on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:48:59 PM PDT

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      •  PETA Dropped It Almost Master Race/CT Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        They used to be all about breaking windows at NIH and their basic rap went like this:

        We're smarter than you.
        We're healthier than you.
        We're going to live longer than you.
        We know about the conspiracy that rules the world.
        We're entitled.
        It was pretty disturbing to see these screechy "nice" people jumping for disturbingly Fascist themes.

        I actualy read "Animal Liberation"  at the same time as "Mein Kampf," and Peter Singers rants about the Jews and how we should experiment on the retarded really freaked me out.  

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:26:59 AM PDT

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      •  "Educate Them" (0+ / 0-)

        All due respect to Bernie.. but this is wayyy over simplified.

        People do not see positive changes coming from our politicians.. they're seeing things get worse and worse.

        Thus, why vote??

        "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

        by Superpole on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:07:03 AM PDT

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    •  how about organizing long-term efforts ... (2+ / 0-)
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      to help folks who need it, week in and week out, explicitly in the name of the Democratic Party?

      We already know what a Gooper attempt to counterfeit such an effort would look like.

      I could raise a few complicating issues right away, but I thought I'd follow your lead in trying to generate ideas.

      •  Sorry I'm late with the rec. (1+ / 0-)
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        this just in

        This is the kind of thinking I'm looking for. It is base-work thinking.
        My main concern is with messaging. How do we push the vote-adrenalin button? We're registering and getting them to the polls in record numbers. That is the bottom line that must be accomplished. Your idea expands on that. But, come vote day, we're going to need that one extra push to make them want to get up and do it.
        I believe it is done through the messages and the messaging. If people can hit the bricks day after day to get everything lined up, why can't we go rocket-science to compel our voters to be as consistent as theirs?
        Trust me, I'm still studying; still learning, but thanks.

        Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

        by franklyn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:14:41 PM PDT

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        •  a few other thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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          Thanks, Franklyn, for the rec; it lets me know that I'm not totally out in space.

          Here are a few thoughts from which you might pick and choose anything that pleases you.

          (1) Worldwide, many political groups build their support by meeting material and social needs of their supporters, whether it be by food-banking, intercession with bureaucracies on behalf of their supporters, etc.

          (2) By engaging in (1) above, political groups build regular (i.e., much more often than biennial GOTV) relationships with supporters.  Instead of helicoptering in once in a blue moon with a GOTV harangue, their political message is an occasional (but strong) help-me-help-you appeal as part of an ongoing relationship.  In short, GOTV becomes social work.

          Clearly, that takes a lot of workers and a lot of organization.  But, after all, our country's situation demands much from us right now.

          (3) Where the GOP has dismantled, e.g., food aid at the Fed and state level, peoples' needs are being met (as well as it can be) by local groups, usually without partisan affiliation.  It may be time to think about specifically Democratic-Party-sponsored aid organizations.  I really hesitate to suggest this, because, poorly handled, it could have serious negative effects on existing organizations that are getting good, necessary work done.

          (4) An organization that's good enough to deliver its Blue vote by taking care of its supporters could eventually be good enough to reach out to Redstaters in need to solicit their support, on the premise that folks vote for whomever they see who really gives a damn about them. Regrettably, one thing we don't appear to be short of for the coming years is people in need.

          There, is that all wildly utopic enough?

          You're doing a good deed by thinking about and looking to lead on these issues.  Thanks.

          •  I don't find it, "utopic," at all. (1+ / 0-)
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            this just in

            Utopia is a pipe-dream. This is the down-to-earth realism that nice may equate to reciprocation, and that reciprocation may equate to self-help. It's entirely logical.
            I've never forgotten those have helped me, and, though, I would never promise to follow them blindly, I'm sure as hell going to give them a listen.
            As you suggest in (3), subtlety is a key. Isn't it in practically anything?
            As I said earlier today:

            There are groups out there that are moving heaven and earth to register and get people to the polls, may all that's good bless them. It is the work of these people that has kept us in the game at all.
             But they need that one extra push from the messaging to get us over the top. How do we construct the message so that it is irresistible when it comes time to vote?
             As the Starship Enterprise computer would say. "Working."

            Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

            by franklyn on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:52:13 PM PDT

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  •  Happy 62nd Bday to Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (16+ / 0-)

    aka Cassandra Peterson.

    Her media CV is long, mostly bit parts and single appearances.

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:39:00 PM PDT

  •  A plea for some Kossack-style activism (4+ / 0-)

    Can we vote for Bill Nye and Bill Engvall on Dancing With the Stars?

    LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:43:18 PM PDT

  •  Any chance of gun control after DC shooting? (5+ / 0-)
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    Probably not, unfortunately.  Chris Hayes discussed the mass shooting with recalled Colorado state senators John Morse and Angela Giron, and Columbine expert Dave Cullen.  He also talked about Stand Your Ground and the shooting of the former Florida A&M football player in North Carolina by police.

    Rachel also focused most of her show on the DC shooting and the aftermath, talking with BuzzFeed's John Stanton and Gabrielle Giffords' husband Mark Kelly.

    Lawrence talked about how Alexis carried out the massacre with Michael Isikoff, and looked at all the speeches our politicians have given over the years after gun massacres.

  •  Yep! plus MinistryOfTruth interviewed today.. (22+ / 0-)

    .. on the Ed Show

    September 17, 2013
     (MoT begins @ minute 1:50 | short ad - sorry)
    transcript @ link:  http://www.nbcnews.com/...

    "we need to raise the minimum wage. We need to fight for collective bargaining rights.
    If your going to take away my ability to earn a better living and my food stamps then you can't looked surprised when we're all outraged and marching in the streets.."

    - Jesse LaGreca

    Kudos MoT
    Also to Laura Clawson whose work was referenced @ Wonkette:

    More than 200 hundred reasons Republicans might want to rethink that whole food stamp moocher thing

    Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried. [...]
    .................................................

     Thx MB - such a good message to get out NOW. and the White house would do well to pay close attention - imo - growing wealth disparity is one of the most important issues facing 99% of people.

    Drifting off course a second time?  (eg. summers) that was too close. Let's steer a better course.

  •  McArdle is a Variation on a theme (10+ / 0-)

    See also your unemployment is your fault due to Hygiene or Drug use issues.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:49:34 PM PDT

    •  Yep - Rick Scottism - Medicare embezzler and owner (5+ / 0-)
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      KJG52, high uintas, JML9999, JeffW, 714day

      ..of a chain of labs that profit from testing requirements
      ....................................................
      McArdleism - September 17, 2013 | Erik Loomis

      *Shorter McArdle in 1935–”Stop complaining about your poverty. The Salvation Army gives you a free meal once a day if you listen to their sermon. You think people who lived in the Black Death had bowls of soup from the Salvation Army? Landon ’36!”
       - emphasis added
  •  I don't know... (5+ / 0-)

    the Eagles make me feel kind of stabby, too. :)

    Woman Stabs Roommate for Refusing to Stop Listening to The Eagles:

    Police in South Carolina arrested a North Charleston woman Monday night after she allegedly stabbed her roommate multiple times for refusing to stop playing music by the classic rock band The Eagles.

    According to the official report, Vernett Bader, 54, became irritated with her 64-year-old roommate (and one-time boyfriend) after he rejected her pleas to turn off the Eagles and told her to "shut up."

    Bader then entered the kitchen and grabbed a serrated knife, which she subsequently used to stab her roommate several times in the arm, hand, and elbow.

    The roommate and his brother managed to wrestle the knife away from Bader, but she quickly retrieved another from the kitchen.

    http://gawker.com/...

    ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:50:56 PM PDT

    •  Proof of insanity........................ (4+ / 0-)

      Not loving The Eagles.

      "Anyone who thinks Obama is like Nixon is a moron. More than that, a F###ING moron". Kos, 5-24-13

      by Lying eyes on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:17:43 PM PDT

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    •  A few years ago (3+ / 0-)
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      we were camping and some fellow campers showed up not far from us. They put on an Eagles tribute album, a bunch of stars performing Eagles greatest hits and then left. They just locked up their camper, left the damn thing on auto replay really loud and didn't return ALL NIGHT LONG!

      Yeah, I felt like stabbing someone. In fact I get somewhat homicidal when I hear Peaceful Easy Feeling even to this day.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:22:37 PM PDT

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  •  About the government shutdown showdown... (5+ / 0-)

    Rachel briefly talked about the GOP's continued attempts to shut down the government or even default on our debt, and Lawrence talked about it, and the role Obamacare plays in all of it, with former Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-OH), Jared Bernstein, Krystal Ball, Jonathan Chait, and Zeke Emanuel.

    Oh, and Ed Schultz also laments the lack of any real action on gun control even after yesterday, and talked with Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), whose own nephew was shot to death.

  •  Oh, our own MinistryOfTruth... (6+ / 0-)

    was on the Ed Show today to talk about the 2-year anniversary of Occupy Wall Street!

  •  Hopes and dreams for all. (10+ / 0-)

    Not a bad credo.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:14:31 PM PDT

  •  A warning. (6+ / 0-)

    See, it's not just me saying it.  Lawrence O'Donnell is saying it too, that the media is really falling down on calling Rand Paul out for his insane bullshit, allowing it to seep in as "acceptable" rhetoric.  Like smearing Obama as "aiding" al-Qaeda.

  •  From what I've read, Occupy in the parks (4+ / 0-)
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    fly, Sarenth, 3rock, bernardpliers

    and gatherings placed a high value on reaching consensus. If that's true, I'd count that as a mistake.

    Saw the 'consensus' thing happen with an anti-nuke group I joined long ago. Consensus is a preoccupation of a segment of society, and not a particularly large one. When that's emphasized, as in my anti-nuke group, the other people start to disappear.

    Have to distinguish between establishing new social norms and getting necessary political action.

    Have to conceive of political action, democratic political action, as several different constituencies and cultures working to an harmonious (not identical or even same) purpose.

    Have to have a specific object to achieve. (At least one, probably no more than five. With this a conversation between different styles aiming at consensus would be fruitful.)

    To my mind, the next practical step to take is to build on the model of Greece's 'We Don't Pay.'

    Just withdraw economic participation. Even one month of nothing being paid to banks, big corporations, cable bills, utilities, get on the busses and trains without paying.

    Take the hit of banking charges if we have to. Take the landlord's discomfort if we have to.

    Just don't pay.

    You'll see the entire establishment quaking in its boots, and nobody in media pretending it ain't happening.

    Then a great section of business and political elites will have a greater degree of clarity about the situation. Then we'll start having a conversation.


    Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

    by Jim P on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:29:45 PM PDT

    •  Camps-Ridiculously Easy To Subvert, Disrupt, Smear (1+ / 0-)
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      Jim P

      In NYC every long time street hustler and schizoid screamer was singled as an "Occupy" member by the media, even though you could see youtube videos of these same characters going back years.  Why?  Because they are street crazies who will jump in front of any camera.

      And then there's the LaRouchies......

      Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

      by bernardpliers on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:37:24 AM PDT

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  •  I'm having a really hard time (4+ / 0-)

    thinking of the Tea Party as a tiger, unless of course, it is one of Dorothy Sayers' shabby tigers.

    Thanks for keeping us on our toes, even in the night owl segment.  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:31:15 PM PDT

  •  I listened in the sixties,... (6+ / 0-)

    ...and I listened again to OWS.  Bernie Sanders, mentioned above, speaks that it is through education that things will change.  The traditional ways of education have been taken away.  The controllers understand this.  Occupy, like the sixties, was and IS a teaching movment.  

    Much of learning is recognizing that the idea resonates inside oneself.

    Occupy is still here.  This kind of knowledge and understanding cannot be suppressed.  

    I disagree somewhat with Richard Eskow.  Perhaps he just needs to protect his position as a pundit.  I disagree that Obama understood and went along with Occupy.  I believe Obama was as frightened by Occupy as the Republicans and all the Status Quo-ites; he played an important role in 'allowing' the brutal police tactics which destroyed it, IMO.

    It is clear to me that there will not be the kind of change required now, from within the usual institutions.  This is what makes Occupy relevant and alive today, just waiting for another chance, the next opportunity.  Unless our wrong-headed activities destroy the planet first, the next opportunity for evolution will come along.  May we be ready to go with it.

    "...capitalism is rudderless. It has no reliable indicators. Everything is rigged..." Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:40:25 PM PDT

    •  What killed OWS in my area... (1+ / 0-)
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      was the superior air with which the younger people regarded themselves and the poor way with which they treated those around them.  When people older than their peer group (college educated, early 20s) suggested things that could be done, i.e. professionals in various fields like IT, they were scorned or outright ignored to the point where they turned their backs on the older people.  

      These were interested, turned-on older activists who were turned off and ignored by the younger, who were actively shunned.  My own experience, as a mid-20s activist, who looks more in my 30s, was about the same.  In my area the police did not need to be called; the younger OWS people did all the damage needed to silence the movement.

      "You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind." -Morpheus, The Matrix

      by Sarenth on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:31:10 PM PDT

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      •  Eh, (0+ / 0-)

            copt in, copt out, copt all around.
             What's new? Neo ?

        March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

        by 3rock on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:59:50 PM PDT

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        •  The point is (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Aquarius40, 3rock

          if we want to actually have viable movements we need to not shut people out from the starting gate.

          "You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind." -Morpheus, The Matrix

          by Sarenth on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:18:57 PM PDT

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          •  My friend (0+ / 0-)

                I so totally agree with you. The many many reasons the physical Occupy failed.
                 co-opt in, co-opt out, co-opt all around.
                 Two of the many that stand out to me at 62 years old:
                1st: The old liberals who had blown it big climate time, i.e. the 2000 election downing Al Gore. Occupy became their cause, their salvation. Instead of listen to the younger gens. Their argument at GA that only they deserved to be at the front of the cart of the old, been there done that "Cart before the Horse" and the argument of the many causes; No they deserved to be at the front of the cart, who fell for salvation, to justify. The horse wandered off. The cart became firewood. The idea still lives on in the thoughts and spirits of many.
                2nd: It still blows my mind, I don't have an Occupy, 99% t-shirt. That the entire movement did not make simple t-shirts for the people and some of what the currency of the moment is, $.
                 Follow ME, an understatement.
                 The reason is Occupy was so thoroughly infiltrated. The physical wasn't the most important. No big deal.
                 The idea lives on.

            March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

            by 3rock on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:42:29 AM PDT

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            •  Thought I'd throw a curveball in (0+ / 0-)

                  I lived in SF in 83 or 84 (memory)
                  There was this homeless crazy person, I'd see from the bus, who would go into busy traffic & stand in front of cars yelling;
                  "Only I am god. No one else can be god because only I am god."
                  The last time I saw him, one leg was all bandaged up, he was limping but still in front of cars yelling.
                  Not to make light of, I felt sorry for him but at the same time thought, couldn't be good for the ego.
                  The amount of times since then, I've been in a discussion and "only I'' pops in :)
                  Insane as the homeless……  I truly am :)

              March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

              by 3rock on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:35:58 AM PDT

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    •  If I may, a bow to (1+ / 0-)
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      dharmasyd

          dharmasyd and everyone.
          Thank You. The coolest thing about DKOS is the people who will comment, who probably after learning how powerful DKOS is, by learning like I have of late, and throw a spiritual gem of a comment, in ever once in a while.
          I too 60s, I too Occupy.

      Much of learning is recognizing that the idea resonates inside oneself.
          If I had the capacity to store things, in hindsight, not a sign of the many INCREDIBLE signs, would be thrown away. (king of the signs, top of the pile :) Wallpaper :) It'd be cool if for the third, every photo of every sign would be made into an app.
          The signs were so brilliant. The discussions so brilliant. The younger gens so brilliant. Whom I still bow to and Thank.
          Happy Birthday Occupy & many more :)

      March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

      by 3rock on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:37:19 PM PDT

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  •  email from WH (3+ / 0-)
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    on the diary subject. Five years after Lehman's bankruptcy, administration officials talk about the crisis and decisions that were made.

    There are audio files from various advisors which I haven't listened to and some text. Too bad Geithner is gone. I would like to hear his story. Waiting for the book.

    As Eskow said, "...consists almost entirely of triumphal pronouncements that will ring false to millions of suffering Americans."

  •  Diary for someone: Oklahoma / Gay Rights.. (3+ / 0-)
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    Oklahoma has decided to withhold benefits from same sex couples in the national guard.

    http://newsok.com/...

    In a policy reversal, the Oklahoma National Guard will no longer process benefit requests from same-sex couples after being notified by Gov. Mary Fallin's office that doing so violates state law banning gay marriage.
    Initially, the Oklahoma National Guard said as long as a soldier seeking benefits for their same-sex partner presented a marriage certificate or license, the claim would be treated as it would for any other soldier. The guard processed two same-sex requests before being notified by Gov. Fallin's general counsel Sept. 6 that the state constitution prohibited such actions.

    “Because of that legal prohibition, Oklahoma National Guard soldiers and airmen will not process requests for same-sex benefits,” Guard spokesman Col. Max Moss said Tuesday. The guard has received no requests since being notified of the policy change.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:50:28 PM PDT

  •  The Obama adminstration made a conscious (6+ / 0-)

    decision to "save the banks" and the Justice Department's "Lanny the Wall Street Nanny," Breuer intentionally set administration policy on prosecutions to crushing loan agents, brokers and appraisers in the hardest hit regions and let the big fish swim away unharmed. Continuing thirty years of Wall Street domination of the Village, ably aided by both Democrats and Republicans.

    The first major deregulation happened under Carter with a Democratic Congress in charge, Reagan-Bush then put that into hyperdrive and the DLC jumped in with a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em," surrender to bashing the poor and unleashing corporate financial globalism on the world. Why? Because that's where the money is... Careerist, opportunistic, technocratic power players always go for the money, regardless of the supposed Party they're in.

    Economic injustice is the foundation of all injustice. The Democratic Party leadership has consciously abandoned the working and middle class, it is time to change that leadership.  

    "Intelligence is quickness in seeing things as they are..." George Santayana

    by KJG52 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:59:51 PM PDT

  •  kinda funny (4+ / 0-)
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    Speaking of Geithner (which I did in a comment above):

    Is this thing on?

    For the last number of years, even as he was still working at Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner made no bones about the fact that for him, working in Washington was like a prison sentence with no hope of parole. Time and time again he asked to bet set free and time and time again he was told no, he wasn’t allowed to go home just yet. So when he finally busted out of there this summer, it was obvious to anyone who’d watched him attempt to scale the walls of the city numerous times in the past that he did not intend to return, not as a government employee and maybe not even as a guest, not even for a Ben’s Chili Bowl. And yet for some reason, people will not stop asking him when he plans to come back (answer: never) and then refusing to believe him.
    ...
    Christ people, how else can he make himself clear? ...

    He is one reporter away from stating on the record that he wouldn’t take another job in Washington if it were “growing out of [his] ass.” Jesus! It’s not happening!

  •  The Eskow piece is the key to 2014's elections. (1+ / 0-)
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    Citizenpower

    It remains to be seen whether there are enough Democrats willing to bite the hands that feed them. Maybe the NY election results will get their attention. If not, we lose the House again & wait for 2016.
    BO sure doesn't get it, HRC doesn't, but Elizabeth Warren does.
    Warren for POTUS 2016.

    Warren is neither a Clintonesque triangulator nor an Obamaesque conciliator. She is a throwback to a more combative progressive tradition, and her candidacy is a test of whether that approach can still appeal to voters.-J. Toobin "New Yorker"

    by chuck utzman on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:04:31 PM PDT

    •  Eskow's message is very important (1+ / 0-)
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      It fights that cynicism that says don't even try to change things for the better.

      Occupy is a catalyst for change. It means stay involved and don't waste an opportunity. The 2014 midterm election is very important. Getting pissed-off Obama or the Democrats and staying home is like shooting yourself in the foot or even worse--its like voting Republican.

      I take Obama at his word. He said , "Make me do it".
      Ok , I will. I hope others will join in and take on Obama's challenge.

  •  I could not respect OW more for the action they (0+ / 0-)

    took. It was brave. Inspiring.

    But I fear it didn't do much. Those with a lot of money and the most power lack empathy...they're sociopaths. They ruthlessly put people into financial hell...Occupy, to these sorts of mentally disturbed titans, is barely a blip on their emotional radar.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:07:29 PM PDT

    •  You may not have a realistic change model. (0+ / 0-)

      The idea of OWS wasn't to directly influence the behavior of plutocrats--even the not-especially-realistic people on the bongos probably didn't expect that to happen.  Rather, the idea was to create popular pressure on government to do what government is supposed to do, especially vs. people who are, as you say, sociopaths and would never do right on their own.

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:52:51 AM PDT

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    •  The call for civil disobedience was the message (0+ / 0-)

      from Occupy. We don't have to "take it". We need to
      speak out and call the powers that be into account.
      This hasn't been done in awhile.

  •  Obama will not get the memo (1+ / 0-)
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    niemann

    He will still think the left doesn't understand the good that Summers did, because he still lives in the bubble of wealth e spent so much time working to be part of, like Clinton before him.

    fact does not require fiction for balance (proudly a DFH)

    by mollyd on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:17:59 AM PDT

  •  The FBI & NSA could have stopped the shooter... (0+ / 0-)

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:48:55 AM PDT

  •  I got polled last night (0+ / 0-)

    ISA Research called to ask me how I felt about the NSA leaks, Snowdon, etc. I was (scale 1-10, or 10-1) outraged, I think I answered every statement, and will no doubt be an outlier on the polls. I figure that most people who get their news from TV have no clue about why this is a BFD.

    A few questions of interest: Do you do online banking?
    Do you know that USPS is now copying the front of all mail (sure, they can afford that)? I had never heard that one before. Other than that it was an enjoyable poll for me.

    Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry. F. Scott Fitzgerald, the Great Gatsby

    by riverlover on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:19:59 AM PDT

  •  First polling in NYC Mayors race: (2+ / 0-)
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    OLinda, Eric Nelson

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:39:33 AM PDT

  •  You now what nobody cares about anymore here? (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    Syria.  The proof is in the front page, and the diary stream overall.  Not a single Syria diary.  As soon as the danger (sic or not, depending on your viewpoint) of US intervention passed, Syria receded into invisibility.  I think that's some kind of indictment of all of us.  

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:50:40 AM PDT

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