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During the debate on the Republican bill to gut the food stamp program, Rep. Jackie Speier detailed how Republican members of Congress use taxpayer funds for lavish meals.
All but 15 House Republicans voted yesterday to slash food assistance for our country's neediest citizens. The New York Times calls it a "act of supreme indifference":
In what can be seen only as an act of supreme indifference, House Republicans passed a bill on Thursday that would drastically cut federal food stamps and throw 3.8 million Americans out of the program in 2014. [...] It is nothing new that poor people are stuck and those in the middle class are struggling. The poverty rate, though steady last year, has worsened or failed to improve in 11 of the last 12 years. [...]

Against that backdrop, there is no justification for savaging the safety net and decimating the budget.

The Los Angeles Times:
Data from before the recession show that few people stop working after they start receiving food stamps. And states and cities have been reimposing the work requirement as their economies improve. By pushing that process ahead prematurely, the House bill would force some laid-off workers off the rolls because they can't find a job, and there are no other ways for them to satisfy the work requirement.

The real solution to the high demand for food stamps is to get the economy growing faster, not to force more Americans to go hungry. Unfortunately, the former is hard to do, and the latter seems all too easy for the House GOP.

Timothy Egan at The New York Times:
A Republican majority that refuses to govern on other issues found the votes to shove nearly 4 million people back into poverty, joining 46.5 million at a desperation line that has failed to improve since the dawn of the Great Recession. It’s a heartless bill, aimed to hurt. Republicans don’t see it that way, of course. They think too many of their fellow citizens are cheats and loafers, dining out on lobster. [...]

Republicans have more pain in store for their base in poor white America. Shutting down government, for one, will cause a ripple effect that will be hardest on those living paycheck-to-paycheck. The biggest obsession, the Moby-Dick of the right wing, is making sure millions of people do not have access to affordable health care. This week, Republicans drew the line for any doubters: they will wreck lives to blow up the health care law.

You have to wonder where this animus for those in the economic basement comes from. It’s too easy to say Republicans hate the poor. Limousine liberals can seem just as insensitive. And if Republicans were offering some genuinely creative approaches to helping the 26 million Americans who self-identified as “lower class” in a recent survey, they would deserve a listen. Tax cuts, the party’s solution to everything, do nothing for people who pay no federal income tax.

What’s at work here is the poison of ideology.

More below the fold.

Paul Krugman boils down the GOP's governing philosophy:

In recent months, the G.O.P. seems to have transitioned from being the stupid party to being the crazy party.

I know, I’m being shrill. But as it grows increasingly hard to see how, in the face of Republican hysteria over health reform, we can avoid a government shutdown — and maybe the even more frightening prospect of a debt default — the time for euphemism is past.

Jim Wallis at The Huffington Post:
If you know the facts and faces of the hungry families that are helped by SNAP, I believe it is a moral and even religious problem to vote to cut funding for the program.[...] I would be happy to debate that with any of our conservative Congressmen who keep telling our churches that we are the only ones who should care for the poor. To vote against feeding hungry people is un-Christian, un-Jewish, and goes against any moral inclination, religious or not.

Finally, for politicians to defend these SNAP cuts because of our need to cut spending in general is un-credible and incredible.

These same politicians are not willing to go to where the real money is: the Pentagon budget, which everyone knows to be the most wasteful in government spending, or the myriad subsidies to corporations, including agribusiness subsides to members of Congress who will be voting to cut SNAP for the poor.

The House Republican discrimination against the poor is also a cornerstone of their Obamacare maneuvering. Eugene Robinson at The Washington Post gives his take:
Republicans in the House are like a bunch of 3-year-olds playing with matches. Their hapless leaders don’t have the sense to scold them and send them to their rooms — which means President Obama has to be the disciplinarian in this dysfunctional family.

Mature adults in the GOP should have explained reality to these tantrum-throwing tykes long ago: It simply is not within their constitutional power to make Obamacare go away. They can scream at the top of their lungs, roll around on the floor, hold their breath until they turn blue, waste everybody’s time with 41 useless votes — whatever. All they can really do is hurt themselves or others.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:35 AM PDT.

Also republished by Hunger in America.

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    •  They do care....about themslves (14+ / 0-)

      and their money.  And that's about it.
      Every body else is on their own except fetuses.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:39:26 AM PDT

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    •  The base wants its pols to compete to be more evil (5+ / 0-)

      I think we should see the current policy competition in the House as a race for the favor of their base, with potential national Party power implications as the likelihood of a new Speaker rises.  Those Republican Tea Party Congresscritters see a political risk on their right, the gerrymandered districts otherwise protecting their tenure for at least another 8 years.  So, your perception and mine doesn't matter, and for sure the hungry kids and grannies don't matter to them.  Like the "tough on crime" and "strong on defense" memes, being anti-safety net is a contest where the real world implications are ignored except insofar as the power relationships in Washington are concerned.  

      My grandmother, lifelong rockribbed plutocratic Republican that she was, would have called down shame on those Representatives because the poor were not an abstraction to her.  We should do no less, but that's not enough.  It seems to me that the pols are following their base, and the base is where the leverage is.  That is where the shame should be directed.  Starving grannies matter to their families, who are the Republican base often enough to make a difference.  The key here is to connect anti-safety net policies to real world, home town stories.  There are many recent examples of how to do that: MADD comes immediately to mind.

    •  Much of it is just lazy scapegoating... (6+ / 0-)

      recycled from the Reagan years.

      Timothy Egan is correct: what the House GOP is doing is just the easiest path of least resistance for them. No need to respond to facts on the ground, changing socio-economic realities when you have a 35+ year old chestnut that work for "The Great Communicator" back in the day that you can whip out.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:09:58 AM PDT

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  •  I guess weve already forgotten that the Dem Senate (10+ / 0-)

    already voted to cut Food Stamps.

    The only argument between the Gopper House and the Dem Senate is "how much to cut it?"

    IOKIYAAD.

  •  Please explain (7+ / 0-)

    Could someone explain to me – once again, this time as if I were a five-year-old – why we must have a debt ceiling vote? If the Congress voted originally to spend $X, why do they need another vote to pay the $X?

    •  World War I Bi-Planes and Trench Warfare (10+ / 0-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      A statutorily imposed debt-ceiling limit has been in effect since 1917 when the US Congress passed the Second Liberty Bond Act. Before 1917 there was no debt ceiling in force, but there were parliamentary procedural limitations on the level of possible debt that could be held by government.

      Between 1788 and 1917 the amount of each bond issue by the United States Treasury had to be separately authorized by Congress by its passing a legislative act that approved the bond issue. The Congress limited the amount of debt by virtue of its authority to approve or disapprove individual bonds. In 1917 the Debt Ceiling law was passed, which allowed the executive branch to issue bonds and take on other debt without congressional approval, as long as the total debt fell under the statutory debt ceiling.

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:07:07 AM PDT

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    •  Here's the reader's digest version (9+ / 0-)

      The statutory "debt ceiling" was created in 1917 by the Liberty Bond Act, which basically gave the treasury discretion on how to issue debt. In 1939, a blanket limit on the amount the federal government can issue as bonds was enacted. Basically this meant that Congress will pass an spending bill and then it is up to the treasury to borry the money to pay for it. Before that, Congress had to approve every issuance of debt by the treasury. The debt ceiling was supposed to make government more efficient by taking that responsibility away from Congress. The Gephart Rule was instituted in the late 70s that essentially deemed the debt ceiling increased every time a appropriation was passed, in an equal amount. When the Republicans took over the House in 1995, they decided to do away with that to give themselves a tool for demagoguery on spending.

  •  We need a new name to describe the House GOP (24+ / 0-)

    they have long outgrown all previous derogatory terms...

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:47:13 AM PDT

  •  Shame those who voted for this travesty (10+ / 0-)

    I sent the following e-mail message to my (Republican) congressman after reading about this yesterday.

    Sir, Shame on you for your support of starvation with your YEA vote for Roll Call 476 on HR 3102.

  •  All they can really do is hurt themselves or other (3+ / 0-)
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    See Suicide Bombers

    This is the last stand they figure come Jan 1 the Engine of the ACA will be running. The few remaining lucid GOP you'll never be able to turn it off because you'll have to start taking stuff from people and well that don't work...

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:47:17 AM PDT

  •  Indifference? There is barbaric! (12+ / 0-)

    I think it's time we stop being so darn polite.  Let's call this what it is - barbaric.  There should be no linkage between work and food stamps.  That is just stupid.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:52:31 AM PDT

  •  LA Times has it right (10+ / 0-)
    The real solution to the high demand for food stamps is to get the economy growing faster

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:56:49 AM PDT

  •  I didn't know who "Lobster Boy" was... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...and I was forced to search for the Faux News footage.

    I think I suffered  possibly permanent brain damage watching that.

    Which probably explains the behavior of the majority of Speaker Boehner's caucus.

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:57:38 AM PDT

  •  Rand thinks he is Charlie Sheen but really he is (4+ / 0-)
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    more like Eddie Haskell;

    http://www.bing.com/...

  •  The 'nasty party' is in power here in the UK (15+ / 0-)

    and they are nowhere near as bad as the GOP.  Don't be shy, why not call the GOP what they are - thoughtless selfish bastards might do?

    •  but the Dems only cut Food Stamps by 1/4th as (1+ / 0-)
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      much--which I suppose makes us just one-fourth thoughtless selfish bastards . . . .

      Of course, IOKIYAAD. Our motives for cutting food to poor people are, ya know, more noble than their motives.

      •  I don't think anyone here (6+ / 0-)

        is advocating the cuts in the SNAP program that Democrats passed, either.  They were added to the original Ag bill to mollify senate Republicans over the cuts included in the farm subsidy portion of the bill.  It doesn't pay to try to mollify the Republicans in either house of congress.  I realize the senate Democrats keep hoping that collegiality still exists in that body - or that it will return - but that has been proved wrong every time they've tried it.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:35:52 AM PDT

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        •  nevertheless it is simply hypocritical to wave our (4+ / 0-)
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          arms and yell that the Goppers are heartless barbarians for taking food away from poor babies etc etc etc when our own party has done the same thing. And I still don't think poor people will cheer us and vote for us if we explain to them that our motives for taking food away from them are so much more pure than the Gopper's motives are. They won't be able to eat our good intentions.

          I realize the senate Democrats keep hoping that collegiality still exists in that body - or that it will return - but that has been proved wrong every time they've tried it.
          Fuck "congeniality".  The Dems should be fighting to RAISE Food Stamps, tell the Goppers to go fuck themselves on their Farm Bill, force the Goppers to vote FOR food stamp cuts while we vote AGAINST them, as many times as we can, and then beat them over the fucking heads with it in every election from now until doomsday.

          Sooner or later, the Dems will have to learn that "we're less shitty than they are" is not a good longterm strategy for winning elections.

  •  if there were "real" dems, would destroy GOP (12+ / 0-)

    on this issue

    beat it into the ground

    hang them out to dry in their immoral act

    but as the excellent book on ACORN, "Seeds of Change" pointed out that the dem party walked away from the issue of poverty by 1980

    the subtitle of the book is

    The Story of ACORN, America's most controversial antipoverty community organizing group

    the fact that the dems didn't support the right's attack on ACORN was to me a canary in the coal mine

    a group with 40 year track record of grass roots activism that would be important for a "real" democratic party was allowed to be trashed

    I recall when AT&T lost its moral fabric about 15 years ago

    As a country, we have lost our moral fabric and money runs the show and the media continue to play the game without providing the means for citizens to understand what is going on or what they should be doing

  •  Didn't listen to any of the (2+ / 0-)
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    arguments for cutting food stamps - what's the justification? I guess the Republicans don't need to justify their actions any longer...I am sure it was something about the debt and deficits and our children and grandchildren and what the American People Want.
    On this groundhog day I learned that they just want to "compromise" on the ACA, delay parts of the law that the American people "hate" - WTF, clearly nobody at the Morning Joe table was willing to tell the guest that law upheld by the SCOTUS is a done deal and they have no leg to stand on. It's ridiculous that this bullshit is getting any consideration whatsoever by the pundit class. Where's Chuckie T when we need him? Hahaha.

    •  the Dem Senate already voted to cut food stamps (4+ / 0-)
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      What was their justification, again . . . . ?

      Goose, say hello to gander.

      There is no argument at all over WHETHER to take food from poor people.  The only argument is over HOW MUCH food to take from poor people.

      I see no justification for that at all, on either party.

      I welcome any explanation from anyone here that justified the Dems cutting food stamps but condemns the Goppers for doing the same thing. (Other than "anything our side does is always OK !!!" or "At least we're not AS shitty as they are !!!")

      •  A pox on both of their houses (3+ / 0-)
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        There is no justification on either side. I would agree with what dinotrac/LA Times said above that the only solution is to get the economy moving faster and nobody seems very interested in proposing anything on that front.

        •  they can't (2+ / 0-)
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          I would agree with what dinotrac/LA Times said above that the only solution is to get the economy moving faster and nobody seems very interested in proposing anything on that front.
          The economy is now global, made up of and run by huge interconnected global corporations to whom national borders and national economies simply don't exist any more and have no meaning whatsoever.

          In a global economy with supra-national economic entities, the "US government" can't do any more about "the economy" than the "national government" of France or Brazil or Somalia can.

          It's not the 1950's anymore.  It's not even the 1990's anymore. The days when "national governments" could take steps for their "national economy", are gone.  There ARE no "national economies" anymore.

          •  The Northern Europeans still have theirs (1+ / 0-)
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            daeros

            For now.

            But it's probably only a matter of time before the "Free Traders" breech those walls of relative civility and sense of community.

            Because Freedom.

            Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

            by Egalitare on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:55:44 AM PDT

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          •  Oh they can, they can intervene in the economy by (5+ / 0-)

            creating a works progress administration and paying better and training people

            They absolutely can.

            But you're right, the left DOES need to wake up and realizet hat in order to win we'reg oing to have to form labor unions in china, india,  everywhere from the pacific islands to the moon and back and organize for one GLOBAL tax policy that leaves the "Free market" fanatics with no out.

            blackout. we need to learn to play it.

            We don't want one nation. we want them all.

            We want to END the them. All companies sabotaged by renegade workers trying to buy their stocks out and putt hem under workers self management and union control. Etc.

            http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

            by daeros on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:03:34 AM PDT

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          •  The good-paying jobs are not coming back. (1+ / 0-)
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            wonmug

            Why would companies like Apple and other tech companies--or any manufacturing, for that matter--want to utilize more expensive US labor?  Also, multinationals like Apple and Cisco are not required to repatriate their foreign profits, and thus pay no US tax on those billions.  They're no longer American companies in any true sense of the word. Our government sold us down the river quite some time ago.  I remember Ross Perot talking about "that giant sucking sound." Profits over patriotism, for a long time now.  Not much talk about producing jobs because they know it's not going to happen.  

            A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us. Franz Kafka

            by wordwraith on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 09:28:43 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry...Chuckie Todd is busy (2+ / 0-)
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      hulibow, rlochow

      trying to explain why a journalist's job is more than just parroting what the opposition says about the president's policies.  Fact-checking?  Not his job.  Truth-telling?  Not his job.  Explanations of policy?  Not his job.  Once in a while, Morning Joe is worth watching, just to catch statements like Chuckie's.

      He'll be trying to explain away that gaff for a while.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:46:38 AM PDT

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  •  "back into poverty" (10+ / 0-)

    I hate the way that phrase gets tossed around.
    Programs like food stamps don't bring people out of poverty. They allow people to cope with their poverty and to survive it.

    That's an important thing to do, but we should never settle for that.  People need good jobs in order to grow beyond the parsimonious gifts of politicians.

    Good jobs -- as close to a silver bullet as we're going to get.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:10:21 AM PDT

  •  Describing these people as tykes and toddlers (18+ / 0-)

    having temper tantrums is inaccurate, and lets them off too easily.  There is nothing childish about this behavior.  These people are adults, and they're posturing.  Their "ideology" is nothing but racism with a fancy name: they ignore that so many food stamp recipients are white, elderly, children, veterans, or working people, and use a caricature of those in need as greedy, shiftless, unmotivated, etc., to fool their constituents.  By focusing their Tea Party voters on punishing "those people," it's much easier for the GOP congress to institute policies that benefit their wealthy paymasters and work against their own constituents.  Shameless, disgusting, calculated--but definitely adult--behavior (albeit, the worst kind of adults).

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:11:20 AM PDT

    •  The Republican ideology is more than (2+ / 0-)
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      just racism.  It also includes defamation and punishment for the poor.  It's main use is as a platform for individual congress members' self-aggrandizement and fire-brand rhetoric.  I give you Ted Cruz as only the latest example.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:09:55 AM PDT

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    •  Southern politicians, Democrat/Dixiecrats, long (2+ / 0-)
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      used this technique to maintain power in the hands of the economic "elite" and one of the best popular illustrations can be seen in To Kill a Mockingbird. Those slick pols, either part of or hirelings of the plantation owners (by then often into industry, particularly the textile industry) kept a class of citizens nearly indistinguishable from African Americans except for skin color—Bob Ewell/Tom Robinson—as their "hammer" in elections and often to do their dirty work of intimidation and violence.

      By that means they kept both of those groups in abject poverty and dependent on "job handouts" in the form of sharecropping, dirt low wages in the mills and either the depreciation of labor through neo-slavery or by, as I watched when young, rotating lay-offs and importation of labor by bus (while laid-off locals went hungry) from towns sometimes an hour or more away by "bus lines" also dependent on the system.

      The maggot filled fruits of the Southern Strategy have come to their logical conclusion.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:39:34 AM PDT

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    •  there is probably a neurological explanation (1+ / 0-)
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      Nautical Knots

      for  the behavior of 'these people';  

      some are effected by whatever the disorder is more than others (again 'these people'), but all of Congress is effected, and so hence, the fatal flaw in a democratic system of government.

      As Woody Allen said: "the only thing lower than a child molester is a politician".

      Thanks for your comment and for DKos in general.

      We've reached the point where we're unfazed by things that should shake us to the core. –Bill McKibben (Volva Award recipient)

      by ume on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:43:53 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans are gonna get burned. (3+ / 0-)
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    A starving mob is an angry mob and it's going to turn on the Republicans.

    You thought you saw angry mobs during the health care debate? Just wait till the Republicans default on the debt. When people don't get their Social Security checks there will be mobs that make the fucking teabaggers look like a dance party!

    •  But (1+ / 0-)
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      Could they turn against Obama since he's the guy on top? Or turn against the Dems because Rupert and Rush told them to?

      "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

      by Stude Dude on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:33:04 AM PDT

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      •  they could turn against dems because we cut their (4+ / 0-)
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        food stamps too.

        Once again, the Dem party is expecting that the slogan "we're less shitty than they are!" will win us an electoral landslide.

        (sigh)

        •  What's up with that? (2+ / 0-)
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          Is it Third Way Repub Lite? Is it 40 years of flogging Welfare Queen stereotypes? Has the Overton Window shifted that far Right?

          "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

          by Stude Dude on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:14:52 AM PDT

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        •  Neither bill has gone to conference, been (1+ / 0-)
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          put in final form, voted on or signed.  Obama said, quite clearly, he'd veto any bill that cut SNAP funding.  No farm bill means no subsidies to Big Ag.  They'll have to fall back on another CR, which will push the issue down the road, closer to 2014 elections.  

          Your story about both sides doing it is not quite accurate.  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:55:47 AM PDT

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          •  Of COURSE it's accurate (0+ / 0-)

            The Dem Senate bill DOES cut food stamps.  How the hell can you even attempt to deny that?

          •  but even IF we assume your naive assumptions (0+ / 0-)

            then why should we be waving our arms about the GOPPER cuts to Food Stamps?  That bill has ALSO not been to conference, not been to final form, not been voted on and not been signed either--and presumably Obama would veto it, too.  So why are we waving our arms about it?  If the Dem cuts don't really matter anyway, then why do the Gopper cuts matter?

            Hyper-partisanship rots your brain.  (sigh)

            •  Be outraged, make noise, tell (1+ / 0-)
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              your friends and neighbors.  Just don't use it to promote your "both sides are evil" narrative.  

              Here's why- after 4 years, people here, on the Left still don't get it that the Medicaid expansion IS the Public Option.  The noise factor here blocked out reality.  We're not fighting to get Dodd-Frank fully implemented because the noise here was all about "sellout" so we missed that the final bill was BETTER than the first drafts.  

              We do the work the Heritage Foundation types need done by jumping on and repeating misinformation endlessly.  They suck up the corporate money for a job well done, we are so "betrayed" and disappointed we're useless.  They win, we think we're doctrinally superior and ignore their win, the 99% suffer and we take no responsibility for our part in it.

              I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

              by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:22:55 AM PDT

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              •  yes, I am outraged (0+ / 0-)

                I am outraged that the Dem Party, the presumed champion of the poor, cuts their food stamps instead.

                And I am outraged that apologists like you make excuses for it.

                Anyone who cuts food stamps for the poor is evil.  Period.

                •  And I'm fully outraged about (0+ / 0-)

                  your lack of understanding of what I said, so we're even in the outrage wars.  Isn't that special?

                  Here's the bottom line:  no final bill yet, no vote yet, no signature on bill yet, a promise to veto any cuts to SNAP funding, a President who is highlighting every insane step they take, Democrats pointing out the luxuries the Republicans enjoy on the taxpayer's dime (all over FB and Twitter as we type) while starving children, active military, vets, and the elderly.  Only in a dystopian fantasy world are Democrats equal to Republicans.  

                  I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                  by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 08:20:30 AM PDT

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                  •  and I will simply repeat: (0+ / 0-)
                    but even IF we assume your naive assumptions then why should we be waving our arms about the GOPPER cuts to Food Stamps?  That bill has ALSO not been to conference, not been to final form, not been voted on and not been signed either--and presumably Obama would veto it, too.  So why are we waving our arms about it?  If the Dem cuts don't really matter anyway, then why do the Gopper cuts matter?

                    Hyper-partisanship rots your brain.  (sigh)

                    •  I know, and I'm sorry about the rotted brain. (0+ / 0-)

                      Somehow it forces me to look at facts, figures, options, nuances, layers, even opposing ideas.  I was sooo much happier when I knew everything, had a clear list of enemies and never questioned my assumptions.

                      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                      by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 01:31:14 PM PDT

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  •  I just emailed my Representative... (5+ / 0-)

    Pete Gallego, D-TX and thanked him for his no vote.  This is his first year in Washington and I think he is gonna try real hard.  I am proud of him!

    "A weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered." Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Yo Bubba on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:17:45 AM PDT

  •  I was hungry and you gave me no food. (11+ / 0-)

    ‘When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.” Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?” And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.”

    Then he will say to those at his left hand, “You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.” Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?” Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.” And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:17:53 AM PDT

  •  House slashes foodstamps for millions (11+ / 0-)

    Now we have our first real death panel. The House GOP caucus.

  •  less money spent on foodstamps (6+ / 0-)

    more money available for weapons to bomb countries in the Middle East

    way to go, America the Exceptional

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:22:50 AM PDT

  •  170,000 veterans on Food Stamps. (11+ / 0-)

    Best data I saw yesterday, from a political standpoint.

    Not sure why all Dems aren't using that number every time they talk about Food Stamps.

  •  While I admire (9+ / 0-)

    People thinking this is going to backfire for Republicans.  This vote is a no-brainer for them.  Their mouthbreathing base thinks that social program spending is drving the deficit, and kicking a few million people off of food stamps is a great return on investment for them.  Until people actually start realizing that the deficit has nothing to do with them losing their job, and defense spending is what is driving said deficit, these cuts will continue.  Frankly I am tired of trying to educate these people.  I am just waiting for things to get bad enough for people to wake up.  Though it took the depression for people to finally get behind someone like FDR en masse, so I am not optomistic.  

  •  Would Jesus have cut food stamp spending? (6+ / 0-)

    What riles me is all these soi-disant "Christian" Rethuglicans thinking it's fine to starve the poor. But it's okay to regulate vaginas.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:34:04 AM PDT

  •  god i hate republicans (5+ / 0-)

    I don't give a fuck that people in the 3rd world are more hungry that doesn't mean we shouldn't care here
    that hunger exist in the 1st world is fucking unacceptable and that you think comparing it to other horrors make it’s ok is even more disgusting.

    3rd world problems shouldn't exist in the 1st world.

    http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

    by daeros on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:38:12 AM PDT

  •  13 shot at Chicago park. (4+ / 0-)
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    I do not question the newsworthiness or horror of the Navy Yard shootings.

    Absolutely appropriate to cover and to talk about them.

    But -- why are they so interesting?
    Is it because "good" people were shot and killed?
    Maybe even white people?

    13 people, including a 3 year old boy now in critical condition, were shot in and around a Chicago park last night.

    13. A three year old boy.

    The worst part?

    It's this from a resident who managed to escape the shootings:

     

    They've been coming round here looking for people to shoot every night, just gang-banging stuff. It's what they do.
    Wonder if any punditry will rise up over that.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:43:19 AM PDT

    •  While every news outlet seems to have a blurb (1+ / 0-)
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      Only time will tell if this becomes part of the national discussion today/this weekend/next week. To be fair, it did happen at 10pm. Unless deaths occur, it isn't "breaking news worthy", it seems.

      But the cynic in me does think it will fade away quickly. Partly because no body was killed, and partly because it involved gang-violence in an impoverished black neighborhood in Chicago.

      •  Redneck logic (1+ / 0-)
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        "But see! Chicago got tougher gun laws than Podunk, Kansas which don't have shootings! I done told you that them there gun laws don't work!"

        "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

        by Stude Dude on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:22:12 AM PDT

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        •  NPR covered this quite thoroughly. (4+ / 0-)

          Chicago has been taken over by a single Mexican drug cartel.  Street suppliers are fighting each other for territory cuz prices are controlled, no free market forces.  

          The war on drugs has come to Chicago with a vengeance, and no one's talking about it.  

          Make drugs legal and the slaughter ends.

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:02:28 AM PDT

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        •  Way too many variables (1+ / 0-)
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          I live in Louisiana, which has some of the more relaxed gun laws in the US. We are also home to the largest gun murders per 100,00 people, IIRC, as a state. Whereas California, who has the most strict gun laws, are middle of the pack when you divide their gun murders per 100,000 people (IMO, this is fair to try and control for population differences; California has 9 times the population of Louisiana, but only about 4 times as many gun murders).

          To me, this means that guns are just a tool in crime. It is not a cause or motive, just a means.

          I know your comment was snark, but someone in my work circle said your statement honestly.

          And if the story of the motive is true and this is gang-initiation related, gun control wouldn't stop a crime. It would potentially stop a tragedy, but someone, either random citizen or rival gang-member, would still be beaten-up/stabbed/potentially maimed in a gang-related initiation ritual.

  •  Many poor southern Republicans are OK with this (2+ / 0-)
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    because a lot of them would rather starve than "take sumthin' from teh gervernmunt".  The level of anti-government sentiment that exists in the United States is astounding to me, and the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are significant reasons why uneducated, non-worldly folk believe that anything government is evil.

    •  Repubs encourage people to use... (1+ / 0-)
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      every tax deduction or tax credit which they are eligible to receive.  

      Why is that any different from taking advantage of every government benefit program they are eligible for?

      Both situations are "Taking from the government".  

      So what's the difference?

      The republicons moan, the republicons bitch. Our rich are too poor and our poor are too rich. Ferguson Foont

      by Josiah Bartlett on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:41:27 AM PDT

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    •  Not quite true- they don't know they're (1+ / 0-)
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      benefitting from government programs until they're cut off.  Tea Party signs demanding government stay out of Medicare are the clue.  

      It's ignorance, and Chuck Todd, poster boy for media idiocy, says it's not the media's job to point out the lies.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:07:33 AM PDT

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  •  We also need to help those on Medicaid (3+ / 0-)
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    I don't know if any of you have been following the Think Progress, Washington Post stories about Boston bombing survivors who have to choose between keeping Medicaid coverage and not cashing their charity checks or using their charity money, but going without care.

    2 things:
    We really need to work to push for Medicaid expansion and then Universal care

    These bombing victims need help now and so I want to try to get these victims health coverage under Congress' plan.
    You can help by signing my petition.

    [http://petitions.moveon.org/...]

    •  It's not up to "us" anymore to push for Medicaid (0+ / 0-)

      expansion.  It's past the time we could make any difference in state decisions.  It's now up the hospitals and public clinics in those states to pressure the legislature and governor to take advantage of the Medicaid expansion.  Many of the states still won't accept the expansion - they'll run out the clock until it's too late to qualify for the expansion money that would make the transition easier; even so, I doubt even a push from hospitals and clinics will change enough minds to expand Medicaid in most of those states.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 08:02:39 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans aren't indifferent to poor people. (6+ / 0-)

    They actually hate them.

    The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

    by shoeless on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:56:22 AM PDT

  •  The sheer cruelty of these cuts makes me ashamed (5+ / 0-)
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    of what we have become. What happened to our humanity?

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:57:08 AM PDT

  •  Gingrich was pandering to all this shit on CCN (4+ / 0-)
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    earlier this morning. "This isnt a dictatorship." "We've attached riders to these debt ceiling bills for decades."
    "Obama refuses to negotiate about anything."
    Clearly he anticipates some billionaire moron will still be willing to write him a blank check and pay off the little trophy woman's TIFFANYS account when he declares for 2016.
    Its a disgrace that CNN pays this puffed up pinata to do CROSSFIRE.

  •  I have one big criticism of the Pres. (0+ / 0-)

    and the Congressional Dems, that is that they should have been reminding the gop and the country about jobs every time they saw a microphone: Syria? ok, Syria and jobs.
    debt ceiling? debt ceiling and jobs. al Qaeda? al Qaeda and jobs. and most of all, climate? climate and jobs.
    Basically, we're in the same place we were 5 years ago. We need that national move toward a 21st century infrastructure and clean,efficient energy that would begin to restore the middle class and produce sustainable jobs.
    Then we wouldn't be in this spot because 1. the gop would be out of the way by now, 2. they wouldn't be trying to cut food stamps 3. there would be fewer people needing food stamps.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:25:08 AM PDT

  •  A chart of the evolution of the Republican Party (1+ / 0-)
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    I always considered myself as a fairly heartless bastard, until these people came along;

    heart

    "Communism is mandate by Christian based humanity of the Western culture. Vive la revolution!"

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:33:58 AM PDT

  •  The GOP The Party Of The Rich For The Rich By (2+ / 0-)
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    the rich.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:21:18 AM PDT

  •  Government of the wealthy, by the wealthy, for the (1+ / 0-)
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    wealthy...The GOP's only agenda is helping a few billionaires accumulate more wealth.

  •  fixed (1+ / 0-)
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    What’s at work here is the ideology of POISON.
  •  Useless Eaters.....Adolph and friends.... (0+ / 0-)
  •  2 observations - not made by me. (0+ / 0-)

     1.   Reuters:  85% of the recipients are children, elderly and disabled.

       2.  The GOP that were called out by Spiers were taking trips payed for by The Franklin Center - a Donor Trust / Koch Bros  legal money laundering operative.

        We are also overlooking that 15% cut that is also ending this year via ARRA - so these 47M are going to get hit really hard.

  •  IMO, one of the most effective weapons against (0+ / 0-)

    poverty and the collapse of the middle class would be union wages.  

    Also, calling the food stamp vote an "act of supreme indifference" is a fulsome encomium for an act of despicable baseness that would make Satan puff his chest and say, "That's my team!"

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 09:42:18 AM PDT

  •  Catfood Special Alert (0+ / 0-)

    Target has Fancy Feast wet cat-food, regularly .59, on sale this week for just .54.  That's right you save a nickle on any one of a dozen delicious varieties available.  No coupon necessary.  You're cat will love them.

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 10:07:19 PM PDT

  •  Which shows the contempt they really have for Jesu (0+ / 0-)

    Jesus, whom 99.9% of these sociopaths and psychopaths claim to be their lord and savior, stated that people who are indifferent to the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the sick are indifferent to him too and will burn in hell until the end of time and beyond.

    These miserable excuses for human beings are actively hostile. Which shows how much they REALLY care about biblical teachings.

    Oh well...

  •  We can learn something from the French! (0+ / 0-)

    Remember what came right after "let them eat cake?"

    Yeah, let them die on guillotines!

    This country is long overdue for a purge!

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