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I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conservation about our economic future. But I will not negotiate over Congress’ responsibility to pay the bills it has already racked up. I don’t know how to be more clear about this: no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions. No one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple laws you don’t like. It hasn’t been done in the past, and we’re not going to start doing it now.
Unsurprisingly given this past week's Congressional action (or non-action, depending on your viewpoint), President Obama took on Republicans, extortion, the beginning of sign-ups for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act and the possibility of a government shutdown in this morning's weekly address.

After explaining the parts of Obamacare that have already kicked in for the insured—free preventive care, no more lifetime caps, adult children being able to stay on parental insurance until age 26—he discussed the parts that will kick in next year for the uninsured, who can visit HealthCare.gov to sign up and compare plans beginning Oct. 1. He urged listeners:

These marketplaces will be open for business on Tuesday, no matter what. The Affordable Care Act is one of the most important things we’ve done as a country in decades to strengthen economic security for the middle class and all who strive to join the middle class. And it is going to work.
But then ... there are the Republicans, the thwarters of all progress and obstructionists extraordinaire who are putting the economy at risk because they despise the ACA. The fact that it's about to kick in big time is making them crazy.
...Republicans in the House have been more concerned with appeasing an extreme faction of their party than working to pass a budget that creates new jobs or strengthens the middle class. And in the next couple days, these Republicans will have to decide whether to join the Senate and keep the government open, or create a crisis that will hurt people for the sole purpose of advancing their ideological agenda.
Shutdowns have damaged the economy in the past and they will again, the president said, which is why GOP governors are urging the House to avoid it. But that's not all: the debt ceiling looms as well. And given the loon list of demands Republicans seem to be drawing up, the president appears to be in no mood to negotiate over the issue, as evidenced by the blockquote that opened this post. He closed with a clear vision:
The American people have worked too hard to recover from crisis to see extremists in their Congress cause another one. And every day this goes on is another day that we can’t continue the work of rebuilding the great American middle class. Congress needs to pass a budget in time, pay its bills on time, and refocus on the everyday concerns of the people who sent them there.

That’s what I’m focused on. That’s what I’ll keep fighting for.

To read the transcript in full, check below the fold or visit the White House website.

Remarks of President Barack Obama
Weekly Address
The White House
September 28, 2013

Hi, everybody. This Tuesday is an important day for families, businesses, and our economy.

It’s the day a big part of the Affordable Care Act kicks in, and tens of millions of Americans will finally have the same chance to buy quality, affordable health care as everyone else.

It’s also the day that a group of far-right Republicans in Congress might choose to shut down the government and potentially damage the economy just because they don’t like this law.

I’ll get to that in a second. But first – here’s what the Affordable Care Act means for you.

If you’re one of the vast majority of Americans who already have health care, you already have new benefits you didn’t before, like free mammograms and contraceptive care with no copay, and discounts on prescription medicine for seniors. You’ve already got new protections in place too, like no more lifetime limits on your care, no more discriminating against children with preexisting conditions like asthma, or being able to stay on your parents’ plan until you turn 26.

That’s all in place and available to Americans with health insurance right now.

If you don’t have health insurance, or if you buy it on the individual market, then starting this Tuesday, October 1st, you can visit HealthCare.gov to find what’s called the health insurance marketplace in your state.  

This is a website where you can compare insurance plans, side-by-side, the same way you’d shop for a TV or a plane ticket. You’ll see new choices and new competition. Many of you will see cheaper prices, and many of you will be eligible for tax credits that bring down your costs even more. Nearly 6 in 10 uninsured Americans will be able to get coverage for $100 or less.

If you’re one of the up to half of Americans with a preexisting condition, these new plans mean your insurer can no longer charge you more than anyone else. They can’t charge women more than men for the same coverage. And they take effect January 1st.

So get covered at HealthCare.gov. And spread the word. These marketplaces will be open for business on Tuesday, no matter what. The Affordable Care Act is one of the most important things we’ve done as a country in decades to strengthen economic security for the middle class and all who strive to join the middle class. And it is going to work.

That’s also one of the reasons it’s so disturbing that Republicans in Congress are threatening to shut down the government – or worse – if I don’t agree to gut this law.

Congress has two responsibilities right now: pass a budget on time, and pay our bills on time.

If Congress doesn’t pass a budget by Monday – the end of the fiscal year – the government shuts down, along with many vital services the American people depend on. On Friday, the Senate passed a bill to keep the government open. But Republicans in the House have been more concerned with appeasing an extreme faction of their party than working to pass a budget that creates new jobs or strengthens the middle class. And in the next couple days, these Republicans will have to decide whether to join the Senate and keep the government open, or create a crisis that will hurt people for the sole purpose of advancing their ideological agenda.

Past government shutdowns have disrupted the economy. This shutdown would, too. At a moment when our economy has steadily gained traction, and our deficits have been falling faster than at any time in 60 years, a shutdown would be a purely self-inflicted wound. And that’s why many Republican Senators and Republican governors have urged Republicans in the House of Representatives to knock it off, pass a budget, and move on.

This brings me to the second responsibility Congress has. Once they vote to keep the government open, they must also vote within the next couple weeks to allow the Treasury to pay the bills for the money that Congress has already spent. Failure to meet this responsibility would be far more dangerous than a government shutdown – it would be an economic shutdown, with impacts not just here, but around the world.

Unfortunately some Republicans have suggested that unless I agree to an even longer list of demands – not just gutting the health care law, but things like cutting taxes for millionaires or rolling back rules on big banks and polluters– they’ll push the button, throwing America into default for the first time in history and risk throwing us back into recession.

I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conservation about our economic future. But I will not negotiate over Congress’ responsibility to pay the bills it has already racked up. I don’t know how to be more clear about this: no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions. No one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple laws you don’t like. It hasn’t been done in the past, and we’re not going to start doing it now.

The American people have worked too hard to recover from crisis to see extremists in their Congress cause another one. And every day this goes on is another day that we can’t continue the work of rebuilding the great American middle class. Congress needs to pass a budget in time, pay its bills on time, and refocus on the everyday concerns of the people who sent them there.

That’s what I’m focused on. That’s what I’ll keep fighting for.

Thank you.

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  •  darn , he negotiates with Iran but not with GOP (22+ / 0-)

    is it because they are even more terroristic because of their American Taliban base

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:04:06 AM PDT

  •  The exchange rollout will be pretty dramatic. (4+ / 0-)
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    If people like it, the president's hand will be strengthened. If they hate it, watch out.

    Forget 12-D chess, this is poker.

    •  Most people won't be affected by the exchange (3+ / 0-)
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      daeros, TXdem, jplanner

      Most will continue on their own employer based insurance. Many employers may seek to buy insurance on the exchange at more competitive rates.

      But as with shopping for anything there will be trade-offs regarding features of each plan.

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      by khyber900 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:53:21 AM PDT

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      •  it's like that in MA (0+ / 0-)

        most people barely noticed when our healthcare law took effect...you just kept the insurance you already had.

        If you didn't have insurance, it was different. And some people found plans that were cheaper though not as cheap it seems to me as many I"ve seen mentioned that are coming up through ACA exchanges. Probably MA is just very expensive for healthcare.

        Anyway, with the ACA, the change in being able to get insurance with pre-existing conditions is a big one even for those with insurance. Once you are middle aged many people have some condition...if you move work up to now you'd loose insurance and maybe insurability. But not now.

        Most people will know people who will benefit from the pre-existing condition requirement in the ACA.

        So even people with insurance will hopefully be hearing and experiencing the good of the ACA.

    •  Poker? More like Blind Man's Bluff. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

      by olo on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:45:10 AM PDT

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  •  Obama's demands of Congress will almost certainly (7+ / 0-)

    ensure that they do the opposite.  The GOP is constitutionally incapable of doing anything that Obama tells them directly to do.

    In a way, by taking this tone, Obama is manipulating the GOP into opposing him.

    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

    by Gurnt on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:06:53 AM PDT

    •  The House GOP was already opposed. It's the rest (10+ / 0-)

      ... of us he's talking to.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:14:06 AM PDT

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      •  Not necessarily (3+ / 0-)
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        There's layers of communication, there's a message in their for the GOP to hear too, and they are listening to what he says, closely. You can bet on it.

        Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

        by Gurnt on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:16:56 AM PDT

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        •  The GOP listeners can't afford to be led by ... (2+ / 0-)
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          Anima, daeros

          ... this President. His boldness in calling them out might carry some weight, but I think what's most likely to sway House Republicans is their own in-House extremists being isolated by their own.

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:25:24 AM PDT

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          •  Umm, kinda missing my point (2+ / 0-)
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            My point is Obama is not really trying to persuade them to do what he want. By being forceful about what he wants of them, he may in fact be manipulating them to do exactly the opposite.

            Do you think Obama is aware of the dynamic that whatever he supports or asks for, they MUST oppose him? No matter what?

            That makes an opponent very predictable.  How do you think they will respond to Obama's demands that they do what he says they do? What do you think they will be COMPELLED to do? Listen or compulsively do the opposite?

            Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

            by Gurnt on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 09:19:56 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, I see your point. However, does the TP GOP (1+ / 0-)
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              ... need much "manipulation" to oppose Obamacare or this President? They're already compulsive about defying him, his party, his voters, his policies, his Everything. And they're about as extreme and polar as they can get now.

              Now, it's a matter of calling them to account. To do what the media is not doing, to put names and labels to the Tea Party's zealotry-driven legislators and their utterly unreasonable and irresponsible positions.

              I think the President has not wanted to call Republicans out before now, respecting that they have heartfelt beliefs, too, and reflecting his own strong predilection to treat them like people who can and should be bargained with. That's not 'cause he didn't know the dynamics that drive them. It's because from his earliest experiences with politics - on campus and in the Illinois legislature - his calling was to reach agreement, not standoffs. To get things done that were not doable until he came along. Incrementally as necessary, to move forward.

              I think he's realized they will not bargain in good faith with him about hardly ANYthing.

              2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

              by TRPChicago on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:35:49 AM PDT

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      •  They are petty- I suggest an icon to that... (2+ / 0-)
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        During next week's address President Obama should wear a sparkly light blue tie- he can borrow Ted Cruz's.

        The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution. Paul Cezanne ...Heads up! Al Gore 2016

        by MeToo on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:08:10 AM PDT

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    •  will Obama compromise on a govt shut down? (3+ / 0-)
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      I know he won't compromise on raising the debt ceiling - because no other President ever has.

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:03:05 AM PDT

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  •  nitpick: distracting typo in the text (2+ / 0-)
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    i saw an old tree today, daeros

    Obama said, "I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conversation about our economic future" -- not "conservation." Around the 4:30 mark. whitehouse.gov got it wrong.

    "I am not sure how we got here, but then, I am not really sure where we are." -Susan from 29

    by HudsonValleyMark on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:07:21 AM PDT

  •  Don't negotiate with them Mr. President! (11+ / 0-)
    I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conservation about our economic future. But I will not negotiate over Congress’ responsibility to pay the bills it has already racked up.
    Good. I hope he does not cave on this. Republicans are flat-out wrong on this one. Republicans have gone way beyond vigorous debate, they are no longer the loyal opposition. They don't care if they hurt the country, as long as the President looks bad.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:08:19 AM PDT

  •  I keep thinking of JFK's book "Profiles in Courage (15+ / 0-)

    as I watch Boehner twist in the wind.  His only way out is to play the statesman, bring it to a vote, and let himself be stabbed by his house of Brutus.  But Boehner is a profile in non-courage.  What will he do?

    Shakespearean vibes coming from all directions!

  •  "Extremists" (5+ / 0-)

    Give 'em hell Barry!

    Or, as Truman famously stated, tell the truth and they'll think it's hell.

  •  Calling Republicans out. Right on! About time. (4+ / 0-)
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    The mainstream media will report this!

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:12:43 AM PDT

  •  Why does Obama want the US government (2+ / 0-)
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    to shut down and default on its debt for the first time ever? That's incredibly irresponsible! Why isn't he willing to work with the GOP and come up with a viable compromise bill that kills thousands of people especially seniors?

    This Obama guy is not a very serious person. He must hate America a lot.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:14:25 AM PDT

  •  the RW agenda seems to be stopping the (9+ / 0-)

    black man in the white house; with their hatred, they are reduced to just babbling!

  •  At this juncture and increasingly so, (10+ / 0-)

    the Republicans in the House have the backing of almost no one.

    They are still loved by their boot-licking minions from the deep Red slices of their districts, but they do not have significant Republican support in the Senate, most certainly none in the White House, and even in their own caucus there is discord and reconsideration.  

    A few of the more virulent House Republicans might want to phone up a good polling organization and check the national pulse on a few key issues.  Someone could show them how to use the phone and they're good to go.

  •  This road seems awfully familiar.... (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm afraid when he says "I will not negotiate", that means the Rs will only get 90% of their demands, instead of the 98% they got last time...

    Even if they only get 20%, it will be an incredible victory for them - and they reason that if they get 20% this time, and 20% the time after that, then 20% the time after that...

    I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME.

    by Fordmandalay on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:20:33 AM PDT

  •  I so hope he sticks to his guns and there are (10+ / 0-)

    no concessions coming.  I sent a comment to that effect to the WH.  Hope everyone else does too.

    "Where some see a system for encouraging discussion . . . others see an echo chamber of bad grammar, unchecked stupidity, and constructive interference . . . " -- Ars Technica

    by Rikon Snow on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:22:58 AM PDT

  •  Given how the far right HATES Pres Obama... (7+ / 0-)

    I think this strong language he's using is sort of a double dog dare to them in a way.   Like he's almost trying to rile them up to cause a shutdown to spite him because he knows the GOP will get blamed for it and it gives the Dems their only chance to take back the House between now and 2022.  

    Not saying that what he isn't saying isn't 100% true, but just in the past we've heard that Pres Obama should stay out of public fights if he wants GOP support on any measure because they have a built in reflex to go against anything what he pushes for.  

    But he needs to get the proper explanation of the debt ceiling out - because there is so much confusion, which the GOP is looking to exploit.  The GOP has people believing that the debt ceiling needs to be raised for new future spending, not paying past bills from already agreed to spending (by both GOP and Dems in Congress).

    He needs to have an Oval Office prime time address scheduled for October 14th - which is a Monday, but this time he needs to delay Monday Night Football to show the absolute seriousness of what the GOP is trying to force.  He needs to explain what the debt ceiling is, and how it has always been raised, always cleanly by Presidents of both parties with opposite majorities in Congress.  

    He should mention how in 2006 Pelosi AND Reid and Dems didn't demand a liberal list of demands to be met on then President Bush to raise the debt ceiling and how the last stand off in 2011 hurt the economy and how this hostage taking sets a terrible precedent that is wholly unworkable and needs to be stopped once and for all.  

    Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:25:08 AM PDT

    •  More than that (0+ / 0-)

      I think he's just fed up for dealing with these nutjobs.  He knows that the GOP will get blamed, it is just not comprehensible to most Americans that the party of "big government" wants to have a gov't shutdown.

      I think that at this point, Obama would rather have a debt default rather than any more negotiation with these crazies.  

      •  He has nothing to lose personally (0+ / 0-)

        During the first term there was considerable risk to him. Now it is worth taking the chance.

        "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

        by conspiracy on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:05:14 AM PDT

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  •  I Like This Obama (8+ / 0-)

    I like this kind of Democrat. Maybe the others can learn from this attitude and stop bending over backwards to appease the nuts. The Republicans have done nothing but foster insanity and then end up taken hostage by their creation. A lesson for the ages.

    The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    by The Lone Apple on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:28:30 AM PDT

  •  Hey republicans....whatchu gonna do? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  The man has grown under pressure (8+ / 0-)

    I don't think we can ask for much more

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:32:11 AM PDT

  •  he tips his hand: (1+ / 0-)
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    I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conservation about our economic future.
    These are the code words he uses whenever he's talking about cutting SS/Medicare. I don't think he'll have any more luck getting Republican support for a Grand Bargain this time than he did the last three or four times.

    Obama has been very very careful not to mention the Grand Bargain recently. That's how you can be sure that that's the only thing on his mind here.

    This battle over the ACA is a complete smokescreen to hide what's really going on here. The main parts of the law are self-funded and not susceptible to being defunded. The only way to defund those parts of the law is to repeal it. The GOP knows this. Obama knows this. So why is he pretending that this is an actual battle that he needs to fight? Why doesn't he laugh and tell them that what they want is impossible?

    It's because, after making totally unnecessary concessions to the GOP, he will declare "victory" by claiming he stopped them from defunding the ACA. He will hide the fact that we're objectively worse off after these concessions, by claiming that he prevented them from doing something that they couldn't have done anyway and defining that to be "victory."

    The GOP will "compromise" by not blowing up the economy, and Obama will "compromise" by agreeing to another, deeper sequester or some other kind of cut that brings them closer to the Grand Bargain.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:35:52 AM PDT

    •  There won't be a grand bargain (0+ / 0-)

      There won't be deeper cuts. At worst, the sequester gets set in stone and the rest of his presidency is a succession of continuing resolutions to fund the government. The only debt ceiling "compromise" I see is the "McConnell Rule" which gives the president the unilateral authority to lift it. I could support that. I do not support concessions beyond that but I don't think there is much need for concern since Republicans can't even get on the same page for their wet dream ransom note.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:59:10 AM PDT

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      •  there won't be a Grand Bargain because (1+ / 0-)
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        PorridgeGun

        the GOP is united on not wanting to raise taxes. There won't be a default because the teabaggers' wealthy corporate patrons will tell them to back down or lose their funding.

        There will be additional cuts for sure, just like last time. Boehner needs to save face by getting some amount of cuts, and Obama needs to save face by not allowing the GOP to make as deep cuts as they want. The end result will be more cuts.

        Obama has already agreed not to roll back the sequester.

        All cuts from now on are on top of the sequester cuts. We sure as hell are not going back to previous levels of funding, no way. Obama's agreed to that.

        So, in fact, AT BEST "the sequester gets set in stone and we the rest of his presidency is a succession of continuing resolutions to fund the government."

        And what do you think will happen when the next CR expires? The GOP will pull the same shit and threaten a shutdown unless all their demands are met. And again Obama will refuse to roll back the previous cuts. So we will end up with still more cuts after the next round of "negotiations" is over.

        This pattern will continue until one of two things happens: Obama finally gives up and offers the GOP SS/Medicare cuts without any tax raises, which will cause the economy to tank and blow up the Democratic party; or the cuts to the budget become so big that they tank the economy and blow up the Democratic party.

        I don't think there is much need for concern since Republicans can't even get on the same page for their wet dream ransom note.
        Um, so what? Like any good haggler, they know that their first offer should be outrageously high, far beyond what the other guy is willing to give. The more they initially demand, the more they'll end up with. It's basic bargaining tactics.

        Since Obama has not walked away no matter how ridiculous their demands become, they feel free to be ever more  outrageous.

        Each time there's a "compromise" resulting in additional cuts, they come closer to their goal: shrinking the government. And are they having to give up anything? As far as I've seen, they haven't.

        Only by Obama's bizzaro definition of success would you give away something for nothing and then claim victory because you didn't give away more.

        In reality, Democrats are slowly losing ground here. And so is the country because we're being slowly deprived of vital government services by these successive cuts. This game of austerity chicken is going to result in an economic crisis.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:29:54 AM PDT

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        •  Point is they've scuppered their own ransom note (0+ / 0-)

          They are split into so many factions they don't seem to be able to pass anything without help from Pelosi.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:38:01 AM PDT

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          •  hope really does spring eternal (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't understand why people keep believing that this crop of Republicans can somehow be persuaded to engage in bipartisanship, despite all evidence to the contrary.

            They've twice threatened to destroy the world economy. So why does anyone believe these people will ever act in a sane and responsible manner?

            After some chest-thumping, Boehner's going to "back down" from a default threat he had no intention of going through with, but he'll exact a price--more cuts--and Obama's going to appease him by supporting that "compromise." The teabaggers will scream bloody murder about the tyrant Obama oppressing them yet again, but enough of them will vote for the cuts nonetheless. Pelosi has no role to play in this, just like the last two times.

            I'll close with a parable. One person is completely delusional and out of touch with reality. Another person repeatedly puts a gun in that person's hand, saying "I just want him to show that he's capable of acting like a rational adult. I know I can make him do it, if only I try hard enough."

            Each time the first person pulls the trigger, he only inflicts superficial wounds because he can't aim straight, but each time he runs out of bullets, the second person reloads the gun and puts it back into the first person's hand, saying "Now I'm sure he'll behave like an adult. I just know he will."

            Which person is crazier, the first or the second?

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:59:35 AM PDT

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    •  A Grand Bargain with SS cuts wouldn't go (0+ / 0-)

      anywhere.  Everyone hates it except maybe Obama (who knows?) and a few ex-Republican fossils.  We and others have done a good job of responding to its mention, sortof like an inoculation.

  •  How much pain will there be between 10/1 & 10/17? (1+ / 0-)
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    Fury

    That's the question now.  Will it be enough to forestall a default?

    A shutdown seems inevitable.

  •  write to Boehner (3+ / 0-)
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    Fury, MarciaJ720, TXdem

    and tell him to do the right thing

    I personally believe that if he stands up to the hostage takers now by making a deal with Pelosi, and stops the Cruz crazy now, he will gain a little bit of respect. I just wrote and told him so.

    Here's link for writing to Boehner

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:52:38 AM PDT

    •  He would be remembered like Everett Dirksen (1+ / 0-)
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      chloris creator

      And have capitol buildings named after him. He will also lose the gavel but the choice is there.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:00:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I did.... and I let loose (4+ / 0-)

      Dear Speaker Boehner,

      I beg of you to get a caucus of Moderate Republicans together and work with the House Democrats to pass a budget.  

      Many of us have lost all respect for your handling of the Extreme Right Wing of your party, a/k/a the Tea Party.  They represent about 20% of the public but granted, due to Gerrymandering, they represent many more Americans in Congress, just not their views.  I am one of those people who is aware that the Democrats received over 1,000,000 more votes in the House so there is not true Representation at the moment, if there were, we would have a Democratic majority by 2 persons.

      Instead, we have a group who cares nothing about the future of this country, only what they can get today, media attention and all.

      Today's House is the most dysfunctional and I believe it looks badly upon you.  If you actually worked across the aisle and for the people for a change, you might find people having more respect for you and Congress.

      Until then, I realize the Republicans are doing all they can to prevent certain segments of society not vote, or make it difficult to vote (Voter ID laws, not enough polling machines in Democratic districts, etc.).  Sad to have bullies in charge (the minority is charge of the majority).

      -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

      by MarciaJ720 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:13:22 AM PDT

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  •  Negotiate? (1+ / 0-)
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    TXdem

    There are now so many different factions in the Republican House caucus negotiating with themselves I've lost count. I've never been fond of that label for this president but hell, it makes a refreshing change!

    "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

    by conspiracy on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:53:33 AM PDT

  •  Doesn't everyone see what the R's (1+ / 0-)
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    TXdem

    are trying to do?

    They want to destroy the Economy before the 2014 elections - energize their ignorant base (when almost 70% of the GOP approved of Ted Cruz's Talk-A-Thon, we are in trouble as a nation).

    -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

    by MarciaJ720 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:55:47 AM PDT

  •  He has the winning hand (1+ / 0-)
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    TXdem

    Better to let them shut it down now and take the heat than do some 10 - 40 day can kicking.  As things deteriorate and the money boys push back there will be less chance of default.  

    Cruz's Crazies will still try, but Boehner will be able to go with the not-quite-as-crazy caucus and the Dems to raise the debt ceiling.  Of course, they may just chuck it all; after all there is a black man to be punished here.

    •  I can understand the merit of this argument (3+ / 0-)
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      TXdem, gmats, Nespolo

      but the last time the GOP pulled this shit in the 1990s I almost didn't get my passport on time for an overseas trip.  I also rely on the federal Ryan White programme for my HIV meds, so will that be affected?  I don't know, but I don't need this stress.  The GOP is the gov't shutdown party???  WTF?  Because they lose elections they get to shutdown the gov't?  It's the height of irresponsibility!  They are not fit to govern.  They casually throw talk around of impeaching the President; let's impeach Congress.

      The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

      by micsimov on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:38:13 AM PDT

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  •  Holy Sheep Shit....the House is working today..... (5+ / 0-)
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    micsimov, ferg, TXdem, olo, Remediator

    LOL.

  •  The baggers are not negotiating why should he? (3+ / 0-)
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    LihTox, TXdem, Spacetrucker

    They are holding the USA hostage.

    And we don't negotiate with hostage takers and other terrorists.

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:27:48 AM PDT

    •  Seriously… (4+ / 0-)
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      TXdem, Quantumlogic, Nespolo, unclebucky
      no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions. No one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple laws you don’t like.
      This is the sort of quote that in a movie would be followed by "The United States does not negotiate with terrorists."  He's all but calling Ted Cruz the Enemy.

      Good stuff! :)

  •  Obama and other administration officials (5+ / 0-)

    need to recite on camera over and over the section of the Constitution that refers to the national debt and how our obligations (whatever the wording is) shall not be questioned.

    The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

    by micsimov on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 08:30:04 AM PDT

  •  I wish this was Breaking Bad.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....and the last episode of republican idiocy was upon us.
    Morality, character, charity, selflessness....if only these people had some moral compass.

    “I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity.” ― Edgar Allan Poe

    by Spacetrucker on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 01:44:18 PM PDT

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