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The Democrats are doing only one thing wrong in this ridiculous crisis, and that's not coalescing around a message with force.  It's sitting there; but they're focusing on what John Boehner is doing, not on what he's not doing.

What he's not doing: Bringing up the clean CR for a vote.

There should be no discussion -- NONE -- unless the House has an opportunity to vote on a clean CR.  

Boehner can bring it up for a vote any time he wants.  The Senate has sent it to him at least three times.  We need to stop focusing on any other part of this charade.  Instead, the Democrats need to keep asking the same question: Why are you keeping the House from voting on a clean Continuing Resolution, Speaker?

And yes, I know the answer: He'd lose the vote.  All the more reason to hammer the point home.

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  •  They ARE united around a clear message: (8+ / 0-)

    Clean resolution or nothing.  "We will not go to conference with a gun to our heads." And so on.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:20:07 AM PDT

  •  If it was longer than for two weeks (3+ / 0-)
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    mspicata, Deep Texan, a2nite

    I don't think there are 20 GOP House members who would vote for a clean CR. They would have to be members who could withstand a primary challenge from the right, which would be nearly guaranteed.

    I would not be surprised to see Boehner offer a clean two week CR and sync up the debt ceiling and budget timelines.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:20:59 AM PDT

    •  I wouldn't be surprised either. (1+ / 0-)
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      That struck me as the obvious way out of his dilemma.  Now that the shutdown has occurred, however, I'm not sure the Senate would go along -- though that entails risks on our side, TBS.

      "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

      by mspicata on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:28:01 AM PDT

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    •  At this point, I think there are much more than 20 (0+ / 0-)

      we've seen about 10 come out on the record with this... someone said their sources put the number over 40.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:37:32 AM PDT

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  •  They're talking about it some, but you're right. (2+ / 0-)
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    mspicata, Kevskos

    They should be hammering it and refusing to discuss anything else.
    "Boehner has the votes for a clean CR. He should pass it. Period. "
    Every Dem in the country should be running for the mics with that phrase.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:21:36 AM PDT

  •  Steve Israel made a brief mention of it... (4+ / 0-)
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    mspicata, BRog, Deep Texan, Kevskos

    On this mornings Squak Box on CNBC.

    I really think that should be the Democrats main talking point.  Boehner is in a tough spot here and it's really up to him.  The tea party folks are never going to back down, they are getting what they want in the shutdown.  The votes are (apparently) there for a clearn CR, it's all up to Boehner.

  •  what? (3+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, jayden, avsp

    what are you watching?

    Reid says it everytime he opens his mouth.

    Boxer is on the floor as Im typing this and JUST SAID IT.

    Mikulski, Murray, Hoyer, Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz, Schumer, Franken... all have said exactly this.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:34:45 AM PDT

    •  I have heard of no one (3+ / 0-)
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      BRog, FiredUpInCA, Kevskos

      blaming Boehner specifically -- it's always the House, or the Tea Party.  

      It's on Boehner, and only on Boehner.  We need to ignore everybody else.  I just looked up Reid's spokesperson's comment over the last 24 hours.  It's always the House.  The House can't pass what it's not allowed to vote on.

      "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

      by mspicata on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:46:03 AM PDT

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      •  really? (2+ / 0-)
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        Deep Texan, avsp

        You haven't heard people refer specifically to John Boehner?

        I don't know.. I've been watching this almost non stop since yesteray at 12:00 other than sleeping from 1:00-6:00 this morning... I'm hearing it A LOT.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:52:16 AM PDT

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        •  I hear John Boehner referred to as weak. (1+ / 0-)
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          I hear that a lot.  I hear Boehner described as kowtowing to the TP caucus.  I don't hear that Boehner has refused to allow the House to vote on a clean CR.  Perhaps I'm wrong; but I keep heading over to the realtime coverage at Google, and I don't see it.

          "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

          by mspicata on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:59:36 AM PDT

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  •  I agree completely. (3+ / 0-)
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    mspicata, guyeda, jayden

    I don't watch TV news but I'm very aware that this point is not made clearly enough on most of the news sites I read. I've been making comments about it on news articles. I think the point really needs to be hammered that Boehner won't let the house vote on the clean CR. Most people (myself included) aren't really up on the ugly mechanics of getting a bill up for a vote in Congress, so it needs to be clearly spelled out that there is a good chance that a majority of representatives would vote for it but the Republican leadership won't let the vote happen. I think most Americans will understand that as undemocratic, especially in this situation.

  •  Senate's CR shd have rider repealing debt ceiling (5+ / 0-)
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    mspicata, Deep Texan, jayden, Kevskos, jabney

    in order to unify the ceiling-default with the CR-shutdown issues  starting now, so that the pressure from shutdown builds on Republicans throughout the intervening weeks, in the context of the Republicans having stupidly allowed their broad wish-list to frame the showdown. (Next time they will probably be smart enough to focus their hostage-taking on a single relatively narrow demand that threatens to peel of Democratic defectors).

    As explained in this diary, there is no additional political capital expended by adding this rider now, because the Democrats' message is already "no negotiation on debt ceiling".

  •  Boehner (2+ / 0-)
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    Kevskos, mspicata

    This was exactly my thought.  No one is preventing Boehner from bringing the CR to the floor.  It is on him and him alone.  He is going to lose his speakership either way; let's make him look ridiculous until he's gone.

    We're all just monkeys burning in hell.

    by smokeymonkey on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 08:44:35 AM PDT

  •  Boehner's exit strategy, and Boehner's exit (2+ / 0-)
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    jabney, mspicata

    Good on you, mspicata, for highlighting this.  I was pleased to see the fact mentioned only four paragraphs down in the Boston Globe coverage this morning - but mentions have been few and far between.

    Boehner is not allowing a vote. That should be the drumbeat.

    My suspicion is that Boehner has figured out he has only one way out of this mess that leaves his speakership intact - and that is for his hand to be forced by a discharge petition. But in order to get that, he needs to be able to send his members a quiet message that if they sign on to a discharge, there will be no retaliation from House leadership.

    For that assurance to be believable, either the members have to be confident that he'll still be speaker in two months - or they need the same assurances from Cantor. But everyone knows his hold on his chair is wobbly. And Cantor is the last person on earth who'd be willing to throw Boehner that lifeline.

    So he's powerless to engineer a discharge petition. He's stuck with hoping that, disastrous as it will be for the party, political pressure from the general public will grow intolerable enough to get the petition rolling.

    •  FWIW, (0+ / 0-)

      according to this diary, a discharge petition is somewhere between impractical and impossible, unfortunately.

      Bottom line: Boehner needs to put his Speakership on the line.  So far, he's lacked the guts to do so.

      "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

      by mspicata on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 09:38:20 AM PDT

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