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"We estimate that between 28% and 34% of officers and NCOs (non-commissioned officers) in the U.S. military would either back or be extremely sympathetic to Joyner" - Mikey Weinstein, founder and head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Amidst chaos in Washington, while Republicans in Congress are accused of holding the "full faith and credit" of the United States hostage through the current government shutdown, a leader of the newly emerging, reorganized religious right who has ties to prominent Tea Party Republicans has just called for a "military takeover".  

In a September 30, 2013 broadcast, as reported by Raw Story and Religious Right Watch, Morningstar Ministries head Rick Joyner -- a leading prophet and apostle in the theocratic movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation who has ties to former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin [see: 1, 2] and other leading Tea Party-aligned Republicans -- publicly issued a call for a coup - a "military takeover" of the United States government and the imposition of martial law.

In an interview with former Reagan Administration lawyer Michael "Mikey" Weinstein -- who formed the civil rights watchdog organization the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) after discovering a pattern of coercive evangelizing at his former alma mater, the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs -- Weinstein told me his organization estimated that between 28% and 34% of officers and NCOs in the United States military were adherents to a supremacist form, of Christianity known as dominionism who might back or at least be sympathetic to evangelist Joyner's call for a coup.

"It is a terrible mistake to dismiss Joyner as merely fringe. The opposite is true", explained Weinstein, who emphasized that there are dozens of dominionist evangelical para-church organizations engaging in what MRFF views as predatory evangelizing in the military. "Complacency is complicity," warned Weinstein, who called Rick Joyner's call for a military takeover a "red line" and also a "wretched" form of "sedition".

"We are most concerned about a fusion between dominionist Christianity and the military's weapons of mass destruction", warned Weinstein, who says his client base, members of the military who turn to MRFF for protection against coercive evangelizing, is approaching 35,000. Most of those MRFF clients, according to Weinstein, are Christians who are targeted for holding the wrong doctrine and theology.

Morningstar Ministries founder Joyner, who over the last decade has partially rebuilt the crashed real estate and media empire of disgraced TV evangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, who were caught up in a 1980s scandal which led to a flurry of media claims that the religious right was spent as a political force, has promoted the claim that President Obama's health care reform legislation includes a provision to create a left-wing paramilitary force akin to Hitler's Nazi "brownshirts".

Despite his promotion of fringe right-wing conspiracy theory, Joyner - accorded the status of "prophet" within his movement - boasts ties to Republicans such as former Senator Jim DeMint, now head of the mammoth Heritage Foundation and to evangelists in the upper echelon of Christianity Today such as the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, and some surprising international connections as well - Joyner has frequented an internationalist conference co-hosted by a close confident of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

[video, below: Morningstar Ministries head Rick Joyner calls for a "military takeover"]

read the rest of this story here, at Alternet

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  •  Timothy McVeigh (5+ / 0-)

    He had similar thoughts about an uprising triggered by his little misadventure in Oklahoma City.

    Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

    by Land of Enchantment on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:34:28 PM PDT

  •  I doubt seriously that the support (5+ / 0-)

    reaches 1%. Or approaches it.  (I sure hope I'm right.)

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by beemerr90s on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:38:26 PM PDT

  •  Really??? (5+ / 0-)

    Good News, MRFF is full of shit.
    More good news, it would take a majority of the military officers to mount a coup in the US.  Most of the folks in the military today who were not in the coup would take up arms against it (in accordance with the law).
    Even more good news, it is treason for a military officer to advocate or support an armed uprising, so start getting names of anyone who supports this!
    Also, in the Military Exchanges (which are not closed, unlike the commissaries where the troops get food), the words being spoken about the house, by retirees as well as current military, are not favorable.  
    Oh, and the military isn't as "Right wing," as folks think.  The older, whiter, wealthier folks are (big surprise) but the Junior Enlisted voted for Obama, twice!  There are a lot more Junior Enlisted than NCO's and Officers...

    •  If you had bothered to read the full story... (2+ / 0-)
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      Rogneid, Mortifyd'd know that officers with considerable reach in the DoD were preaching insurrectionary conspiracy theory in the 1990s, during the Clinton Administration. But you don't seem to have done that, so Jim Ammerman's activities seem to have passed your radar screen.

      Things have progressed a bit since the 1990s.

  •  no offense (0+ / 0-)

    the headline is, if not misleading, a little too alex jones-esque

    no hard feelings

    The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

    by micsimov on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:44:32 PM PDT

  •  Baloney (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, rodentrancher, kirrix

    These soldiers all take an oath to uphold the constitution.  I seriously doubt >1/4th of them would easily disregard that oath.  When push comes to shove I'd be shocked if 1% would support such insanity.  Even if they don't personally like the commander in chief it doesn't mean they'd even consider overthrowing him.

    Intelligence agencies keep things secret because they often violate the rule of law or of good behavior. -Julian Assange-

    by ChadmanFL on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:47:15 PM PDT

  •  Well his demons can tell him whatever they want to (0+ / 0-)

    But any dream he or any other dominionists have of organizing vast military coups against the U.S. government are more rooted in the DSM-V than reality.  That's not to say that there aren't terrorist-like factions in the U.S., but they are more likely to organize isolated events than integrated and organized revolts.  Big brother is just watching too closely for that kind of thing.

    Truly, there is nothing to see here. Move along.

    Howard Dean will always be my president.

    by 4democracy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:51:10 PM PDT

    •  You appear to be unaware... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...of the "Christian Embassy" video, filmed in the Pentagon, in which top Pentagon officials state that their Christian faith trumps duties of their military office.

      MRFF exposed that in 2006. It led to an official DoD investigation (see full story.)

      There's more, of course - why not investigate ?

      •  My Christian Faith trumps my patriotism as well. (0+ / 0-)

        For example, I am a religious conscientious objector to the selective service based on my belief that killing is wrong. You look at any Christian doctrine, and it's God first and country second.

        However, it is an extreme jump in logic to assume that anyone who is even a conservative evangelical would be willing to turn to extremism.  American's just don't make very good revolutionaries.  We're too comfortable, and too afraid of giving up the things we like.  Job security, a future for our kids, our wives telling us to "stop talking crazy and start paying the damn bills".

        Coups happen in places where people have no hope and will rally around anything because they believe their survival depends on it.

        Don't feed them with fear - those demons of the false prophets.  They don't desire any moral beliefs - only control over others.  Fear is their goal - their end.

        Howard Dean will always be my president.

        by 4democracy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:13:57 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Very good, however... (0+ / 0-)

          Your statement, "it is an extreme jump in logic to assume that anyone who is even a conservative evangelical would be willing to turn to extremism" does not seem to refer to the story at issue, which does not accuse all conservative evangelicals of "extremism".

          Perhaps you should revisit the story, and note its sharp focus on rather specific sub subsets of evangelicalism, notably the New Apostolic Reformation.

          •  OK substitute "New Apostolic Reformist" for (0+ / 0-)

            "conservative evangelical" and my point still stands.  You still have an assumption or two at play - one that MW is a reliable source beyond hearsay in stating that such a large portion of the military would ascribe to this faith - and two that all (or even a very small portion) of these followers would risk their life in a coup to defend it.

            There is absolutely no precedent for this in U.S. history, aside from the isolated McVeigh-style events I acceded in my original comment.  Why would something that has never - ever - happened before all of a sudden happen because some airbag false prophet has a video feed?

            Don't you see that you're just feeding his God-complex by even posting this?

            Really, man.  This guy is irrelevant unless we make him so.

            Howard Dean will always be my president.

            by 4democracy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:31:05 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  While I respect MW, he's wrong this time (3+ / 0-)
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    Weinstein told me his organization estimated that between 28% and 34% of officers and NCOs in the United States military were adherents to a supremacist form, of Christianity known as dominionism who might back or at least be sympathetic to evangelist Joyner's call for a coup.
    About a third of the military are fundamentalist whackaloon so-called "Christians", sure. That this has led, and continues to lead, to gross abuses of junior personnel of the "wrong" (or no) faiths is beyond dispute.

    But willing to participate in a coup?? I don't think so. That is a taboo so deeply ingrained in our military's psyche that I think it's simply impossible for most to contemplate.

  •  Does the term "Purity Of Essence" (2+ / 0-)
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    ring a bell?

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:54:29 PM PDT

  •  The actual claim (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    is that these officers were sympathetic to Christian Dominionism.  The part about the coup appears to be an extrapolation based on little evidence.

    Restore the Fourth! Save America!

    by phillies on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:02:21 PM PDT

  •  Conspiracy theory (0+ / 0-)

    Ring this up with black helicopters flying in from the UN and the Birther movement. This isn't worthy of DailyKos.

  •  Step Away from the Kool-Aid (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    The fumes are gettin' to ya.

    "Alternet" reality?

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:08:31 PM PDT

  •  Everyone is a rent-seeker, as economists say. (0+ / 0-)

    MRFF has a vested interest in making our military out to be more Christianist and insurrectionary than it is.  Their assessments should be taken with a grain of salt when they're not based on concrete situations. There's not shortage of those, so I wish they'd stick to that rather than ironically empowering a fringe collection of nutcakes.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:31:37 PM PDT

  •  Frankly, I would love to see this come about (1+ / 0-)
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    and watch our US Air Force finally get the cleansing of religion it has needed for so long.

    I know some of these d'ists in the Air Force.  They have "secret" meetings.  I was told that as an atheist that my days were numbered by one creepy USAF officer in particular.  But, to add to that, I was also candidly told by a Mormon that they too are waiting for their orders from their leaders when they felt the time was such that they had to step up and save this nation from people like me.  He explained to me that was a main reason Mormons served in gov't and especially the military....and that serving your nation does not necessarily mean following the President's orders.  I got a little snarky with him on that.

    So, it may not be that there are enough of these creeps to actually "win."  I mean, what are they going to do, take up arms and march in the thousands of miles of streets in this nation?  What else, take over communications....until they get bombed out of that building?  Or whatever.  I am just saying, there are those really amped up creeps in the military and it can diminish the level of trust amongst those who serve if the feeling is that orders will not be followed by law.

    I don't doubt that 28% polled worked up some bravado to answer questions with a defensive attitude, which is sort of what I read into this as....but it is that fraction of the percent that we have to worry about.  I would think it to be walking the line of what is legal for anyone to speak encouragingly about that happening.

    There is a part of me that wants a group in the US Air Force to give this a try so we can make an example out of them and give the rest of the god gang a dose of reality.  Wouldn't be my first choice of filters, but sometimes we go with the filter we have and not the one we want....

    1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

    by alwaysquestion on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:53:18 PM PDT

  •  A movie other than "Dr. Strangelove," (1+ / 0-)
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    Is the Burt Lancaster movie from 1964 called "Seven Days in May."

    A USAF general is put forth for President and the Air Force begins strange military maneuvers not authorized by the President or Congress. Things get hinky from there...

    It's not a comedy, and was fairly dramatic stuff in the days of Curtis Le May. According to Wiki, even JFK thought it was a good story, and permitted filming outside the White House. Interestingly, the Pentagon did not like the movie...

    And yeah, I know tarantulas don't really act like that at all, so no snarking, this is the internet damnit!

    by itzadryheat on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:17:55 PM PDT

  •  Just remember, according to Weinstein, the next (0+ / 0-)

    time you see a group of military persons, 1 of every 3 E-4s and above (including the women!) could be a traitor or fellow traveler. This, of course, explains why Maj. Hasan was, in reality, a false flag dominunist mole, and why military members are prohibited from carrying arms on base.

    Not to worry, however. I'm sure for a few bucks he'll fight the good fight on your behalf.

    P.S. Why isn't this a CT diary?

  •  I wish the skepticism you received (1+ / 0-)
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    was done a little better.

    I'm a bit skeptical of Mr. Weinstein's claims without further proof. However, recalling that the fundies more or less took over the Air Force Academy and that they have taken over the entire chaplain corp, I can believe some of it.

    I also think there's a difference between receptive to a coup and actually doing it. 30% might be receptive, but I bet that number who'd actually plan it out and do it is way, way, way smaller.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility- mperiousRex.

    by terrypinder on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 04:35:41 AM PDT

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