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Republican Congresscritter and Failed Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has been notably absent from the government shutdown spotlight.  This political opportunist has never seen a microphone or camera he doesn't like and is quite skillful at elbowing his way up front whenever Republicans gather for a photo opportunity or a press conference.  So, it's been a bit unusual to not seeing him gathering around John Boehner and Eric Cantor during this high visibility time.

As the Chair of the House Budget Committee, he's normally front and center so something is definitely up.  The latest statements he's made has been to say that the shutdown wouldn't happen (yeah, he was wrong) and that he thought it would be a bad idea.

The other shoe has dropped and now I know why.  He's been biding his time waiting and hoping for the shutdown and debt ceiling debate to merge.

Now, Ryan sees the government shutdown linking up with upcoming talks over the nation's debt limit, which must be resolved by the middle of the month to avoid an unprecedented default.

"I see the two issues converging, the continuing resolution and the debt limit, converging because they are just so close in time," he said in an interview. "I think that's just the reality of the situation."

That could mean the current shutdown could drag on two more weeks.

"I don't know how long it is going to be, but it is conceivable that it could last that long if they (Democrats) choose not to send negotiators," the Wisconsin Republican said.

Ryan said he continues to talk with others about a budget agreement that could be linked to the debt limit talks to cover both mandatory and discretionary spending, tax reform and energy policy.

"That shouldn't be a secret," he said when asked about recent reports that there's been movement on that front. "We have been doing this all along. My goal all along was to get a budget agreement with the debt limit."

"Like with administrations past, we think a debt limit agreement is the only way with this administration to get this economy growing and to get this debt under control," Ryan said.
So, he's biding his time until the debt limit comes up to try again to push his own granny starving budget proposal.

What Paul Ryan doesn't want us to know, however, is that we're already very close to Ryans very own granny starving budget numbers as brilliantly pointed out on MSNBC (I've embedded the salient portion of the segment, but can't remove the ad that precedes it - sorry):

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Yes, that's right.  The GOPs past hostage taking coupled with the sequester has brought us into Paul Ryan budget territory.  They won.  And yet they want more and more and more cuts to kids, workers, the poor, the disabled, veterans, seniors and others who aren't major Republican donors.

Their greed over cuts is as unquenchable as the greed of the wealthy over obtaining even more money.

We've seen Republicans strip out funding food stamps so they could continue government subsidies to millionaire farmers, seen them unconcerned with the loss of Meals on Wheels and other programs to the sequester, seen them praise Capitol Police for saving their sorry behinds (yeah, no concern about those heroes not getting paid) and watched their photo op clown shows at national monuments or dressing up with lab coats as the government shuts down.  For Republicans, the Clown Show Under the Marble Big Top is their never ending circus of misinformation, propaganda, and blatant lies.  

To see Paul Ryan licking his lips at the prospect of taking center stage by inflicting more pain on this country with the threat of adding a default to the shutdown is disgusting.  

No business is run this way.  No business operates from crisis to crisis in which they manufacture a the crisis.  

This isn't about the budget, this isn't even about ideology.  This is all about the political opportunity that comes from the power a small rump minority can achieve by any and all means.  It's government by terrorist threat.

If Republican politicians continue to put their own political careers and fears of a well-funded Tea Party primary challenge above the country, we're doomed.   They're going to have to decide how much they really love this country.  

For Paul Ryan, we already know the answer.  Too many of these guys have absolutely no shame.


Originally posted to Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 11:55 AM PDT.

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  •  Hes a liar & he's evil like all the elected TGOP (6+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:02:46 PM PDT

  •  Bad things happen when Republicans hold high (10+ / 0-)

    office.  The solution is obvious - lose the Republicans.

    I don't negotiate with terrorists. I don't vote for them, either.

    by thenekkidtruth on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:07:25 PM PDT

  •  since I don't watch TV news (12+ / 0-)

    I'm curious, when the Republicans claim they care about the deficit, does any journalist ever ask about Clinton's surplus and how Bush and the Republicans turned it into a deficit. Cheney: "deficits don't matter."

    Any journalist ask that question, ever?

    •  Not that I've seen (5+ / 0-)
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      and I'm a news junkie.  Most journalists don't even ask follow up questions when they've been given non-answers or total BS answers to their original questions.  And their questions aren't all that good to begin with.

      They're acting more like obedient poodles who want to please the powerful rather than actual journalists.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:12:51 PM PDT

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    •  All of these right wing debt fetishists are frauds (7+ / 0-)

      They squandered the surplus. That is not economic conservatism. They gave tax breaks during a war. That's economic stupidity. They routinely granted more money and more money to fight a losing war in Iraq. They did not pay for the most expansive change to healthcare delivery in modern memory, prior to the Affordable Care Act, namely Medicare D.

      There were not tea party protests on the mall during any of this drunken spending spree and fiscal irresponsibility.

      Nope. We got the first eruption of economic patriotism and Something Must Be Doneism on April 15, 2009, a Taxed Enough Already march on Washington--the same day that 95% of Americans received tax relief from a Democratic-originated stimulus.

      They are all liars and frauds who do not believe in government or fiscal responsibility. While they are a problem, the larger problem is that millions of Americans choose to be willfully ignorant of recent history and keep voting for these economic and political terrorists.

      "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

      by FiredUpInCA on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:12:46 PM PDT

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      •  I fully agree except regarding voters (2+ / 0-)
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        howabout, FiredUpInCA

        If those voters were better informed by our media, many of them wouldn't be voting against their own interests.  Some are completely party loyalists who would vote for a bag of cat poop if it was labeled as Republican Cat Poop, but many would wake up and start supporting those who support them.

        Very nice historical perspective.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:16:41 PM PDT

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        •  I hear you (1+ / 0-)
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          If those voters were better informed by our media, many of them wouldn't be voting against their own interests.

          But I can't keep letting voters off the hook when they keep making heinous decisions.

          Selectively-informed seniors went to the polls in 2010 in ahistorically high numbers to support the tea party.


          Because they believed the GOP and the tea party would protect Medicare from destruction by the Democratic party.

          Let's unpack the levels of aggressively willful ignorance of that. Who fought tooth and nail to create Medicare? Democrats. And who fought tooth and nail against it, every step of the way? Republicans.

          Who nearly destroyed Medicare with the passage of Medicare D?

          The trifecta of a Republican President, a Republican House and a Republican Senate. With the passage of Medicare D, they created an unprecedented donut hole--a virtual "death panel"--by forcing fixed income seniors to shell more out of pocket and choose between groceries and medicine.

          When a Democratic President, Senate and House came into office they helped close the donut hole by sending checks to seniors to help cover costs.

          How did these Read-the-Bill!, fiscally-principled, didn't-give a-sh-t-how-stuff-was-paid-for-while-Republicans-were running-things seniors repay Democrats? They ushered in a tea party House until 2020 and littered the country with tea party-flavored state houses.

          It will take years to recover from the damage done to voting rights, women's rights and and our fiscal credibility in global markets, because of their selfish, willfully ignorant vote, based on the willful, selective information gathering from voters who didn't care about anybody else in the country but their damn selves.

          It was the most irresponsible vote in modern memory.

          They co-own the damage that has been done and the governing by crisis and the incivility and intransigence in Washington all because they decided to be willfully ignorant  and ignore the readily available evidence of Republican rule.

          "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

          by FiredUpInCA on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:43:08 PM PDT

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          •  I hear you (4+ / 0-)

            Being a senior myself, let me give you some insights.

            I saw my college friends who were liberals get good jobs, move to the suburbs, swallow Reagans bullshit whole, and become "good Republicans".  The generation that warned the world not to "get co-opted" let themselves get co-opted in the biggest way possible - they got selfish, self-centered, concerned about "taxes", and tribalistic.  It was sad, but I couldn't keep in contact with those folks.

            On the other hand, during the Wisconsin protests, you saw a whole lot of gray hair marching around the Capitol.  I talked to so many who looked back on their lives and felt ashamed that they had lost their college activism.  They were again fired up and ready to go.  It was seniors that handled the protests until working people got off work and came to join in at night.

            We're a complicated lot.  Far too many don't pay attention until a problem comes to their doorstep and even then they wonder why someone else hasn't taken care of it or prevented it.  More are paying attention.

            What we lack, however, is a multigenerational approach where we see the needs of everyone and respond to them whether it's obscene tuition rates, abusive college loans immune from bankruptcy, predatory lending, customer abuse by banks and Wall Street, or our social contract.  

            Only then will we form a cohesive group that will be more than a match for the Tea Baggers.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:41:59 PM PDT

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            •  I went to a get-together (1+ / 0-)
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              with friends from my college class of 68 — a very preppy, second-tier women's college at the time where a lot of girls came from private prep schools in New England.

              We mostly talked about how much we dislike everything the Republicans are doing. One woman kept asking the woman from Wisconsin, "How could you elect Scott Walker?" She's like, "I still can't believe Russ Feingold lost."

              Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

              by anastasia p on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:02:27 PM PDT

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    •  what is this thing you call **journalist**? (1+ / 0-)
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      isnt that an extinct specie?

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:12:35 PM PDT

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    •  had the conversation this weekend (3+ / 0-)
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      at a family gathering. except for a few like minded souls, nobody wanted to here it. wish it away and it goes away.

    •  economics turned the Clinton surplus back into (2+ / 0-)
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      its natural state.  Surpluses are when the Govt removes more money through taxation than it adds through spending.  The private sector can't be in net debt for long before a recession forces increased Govt spending and decreasing taxation through unemployment which automatically reverts the Govt's budget position back to a net addition of money.  There have been 6 periods of extended budget surpluses in American history and the 6 depressions we've faced followed immediately afterwards.  

      MMT = Reality

      "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

      by Auburn Parks on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:10:25 PM PDT

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    •  Millionaire meatpuppets? They'll never ask that. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Nah. (1+ / 0-)
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      Just like in Ohio, they're letting Kasich get away with saying he cut taxes because he cut ONE tax so slightly only the wealthy will get more than a pizza's worth of refund, while increasing the regressive sales tax and kicking services costs down to local governments where property taxes have risen steeply. Meanwhile he has spent more than any governor in our history — by far. Budgetwise, he is Ohio's to Strickland's Clinton.

      Yet he'll probably lie during the campaign and talk about tax-and-spend Democrats and papers like the Columbus Disgrace and the Cleveland Plainly Republican will never call him on it.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 05:58:58 PM PDT

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  •  I understand that (2+ / 0-)
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    even the Wall Street people aren't getting through to the GOP-T.

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:26:58 PM PDT

    •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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      They exist for the benefit of the Kochs and other monied zealots who don't give a crap about Wall Street.   Remember, too, that the Tea Baggers started out as people opposed to Wall Street and the banksters who crashed our economy.  They are not fans.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:29:26 PM PDT

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  •  Losing an election doesn't stop him from demanding (1+ / 0-)
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    ...that the POTUS implement the Ryan budget.  

    Democracy?  Not a concept accepted by republicans, if they aren't the winners.  They still want to be in charge, no matter what the election results say.

  •  Freudian slip right there. (4+ / 0-)

    "I don't know how long it is going to be, but it is conceivable that it could last that long if they (Democrats) choose not to send negotiators," the Wisconsin Republican said.

    Did Rep. Ryan just ADMIT to hostage-taking? Hostage situations are what prompts the arrival of negotiators.

    •  It's been non-stop hostage taking (3+ / 0-)
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      It was Mitch McConnell (IIRC) who admitted that they had found a hostage "worth ransoming" during the last debacle.  Republicans suffer Foot In Mouth Disease, but most of the TM doesn't bother to cover it.  They prefer the "he said, she said", "both sides do it" crap they feed their viewers, listeners, and readers.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:03:47 PM PDT

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  •  Take comfort, puddytat. The PPP poll says (1+ / 0-)
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    the times, they are a-changin'. Sooner would be better.

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

    by llbear on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:10:58 PM PDT

    •  Nobody Votes for 13 Months, and When They Do, (2+ / 0-)
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      large numbers of moderates stay home.

      Tea party at least is feeling pretty good about this and the less extreme Republicans aren't all that worried yet.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:15:04 PM PDT

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    •  I found that interesting that even (1+ / 0-)
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      their viciously gerrymandered districts don't save them.  However, the Citizens United money and serious voter suppression efforts might.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:18:20 PM PDT

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    •  llbear - if that generic poll stays constant (3+ / 0-)
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      for another 12 months I'll get really excited. It's a good sign, but this far out doesn't mean much.

      There have been 17 shutdowns just since the Ford Administration. I have been a first class news and political junkie for 40 years and I can only remember two.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:04:23 PM PDT

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      •  Until the Clinton Era (3+ / 0-)
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        the shutdowns tended to be relatively isolated...Congress would pass some spending bills but not others and only the unfunded agencies would be out of work. I've been a federal employee since 1977 and while I recall friends at other agencies being out of work due to a lack of appropriations, only 1995-96 and the current one have affected nearly all Executive Branch agencies at once.

  •  Slightly different tune than (4+ / 0-)
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    ... Doug Lamborn from Colorado Springs. He wants everyone back to work (although he wants a hold on purchasing and who knows what else.) His problem is that 40% of his districts economy relies on federal spending, mostly the Air Force. So he's started yelling for getting the paychecks back.

    He's still after ObamaCare "at any cost", except NIMBY for his district of course. He says end the shutdown, and make ObamaCare the hostage for the debt ceiling instead.

    These people are full bore nihilists. I guess if you fervently believe we're in the End Times, then there's little need to worry about the consequences of your actions, since you expect to be Raptured away any day now.

    Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

    by Land of Enchantment on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:49:20 PM PDT

  •  I'm surprised the two issues weren't linked sooner (2+ / 0-)
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    Given the proximity of just a few weeks apart I have always thought the shutdown and debt limit would be resolved in some package deal. However, lately I have been hearing rumbles that the GOP may raise the debt ceiling, but let the shutdown extend for months. Most of the departments the GOP cares about are still at work. They are happy that departments like EPA and social services are shut down.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:12 PM PDT

    •  The longer the shutdown lasts the more people (2+ / 0-)

      are affected. The Republicans may find that their own supporters, in their own specially-built districts, are no longer in their court, particularly when things happen such as, for example, people try to buy or refinance homes and discover that they can't because some critical documents that are now required for most real estate transactions simply aren't available. Most transactions include a form authorizing the release of the borrowers' tax returns. And those forms are not being processed because there's nobody at the IRS to take care of it. National parks and monuments hire people and contractors, none of whom are currently working. They also bring business to the surrounding area for accommodations and food. The harder those third parties get hit the more grief the Pubs are going to receive.

      I suppose it all boils down to how deep a hole the Rethugs want to dig for themselves. And they should consider the fact that the longer they keep government shut down, the closer they'll be to the next House and Senate elections.

      •  Most of those people (1+ / 0-)
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        probably believe that it's Obama and Reid's fault, however. After all, they're being told that 24/7 on the FOX affiliate they depend on for the truth.

        My son in Ohio says that Boehner just managed to (despite the no-earmarks rule) bring a large tank-building contract, for a tank the Army doesn't want and didn't ask for, into his district. That will keep him in office regardless of anything else he does.

        I wish I saw an endgame here that was remotely palatable. I don't. I think the country may be in for a very very rough winter.

    •  That's what I've been hearing except (0+ / 0-)

      that because of blowback from the shutdown, the GOP Teahadists would not fool with the debt ceiling.  Looks like they no longer care if the country is in ruins as long as they are the rulers of the ashes.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:45:42 PM PDT

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  •  good (1+ / 0-)
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    so they can fuck off on both the budget and the debt limit at the same time.

  •  This will not go well for Ryan (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm not at all surprised by this, nor am I surprised by predictions that the shutdown will drag on until the week after next. If anything I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

    At that point though the Ryan and his fellow thugs will discover that they've lost any remaining shred of credibility they might have held on to.

    As painful as it is, the President and Congressional Democrats need to hang tough and not negotiate with these terrorists.

  •  Ryan will be sucking down wine with his (2+ / 0-)
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    handlers during the shutdown.  No Boone's Farm/ thnderbird for ryan

  •  Start firing up Rob Zerban's base (1+ / 0-)
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    Rob Zerban is very likely to run again in 2014 and finish off Paul Ryan.  Zerban's still fired up.

    Rob Zerban:




    •  I'll be happy to see him run again (0+ / 0-)

      His name is out there now, Republicans are even worse than in 2012, and Ryan can't pass himself off as a shiny faced moderate anymore.  He lost his own home town in 2012.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:38:16 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, WI-01 is R+3 (2+ / 0-)
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        But will probably be downgraded at some point to R+2 or lower.  Paul Ryan's toast in November 2014 and Rob Zerban got 44% of the votes in 2012.  That's really not a bad chunk of the votes given conservatives were already very enthusiastic about Ryan being Mitt Romney's running mate.

        However, Ryan will be running for re-election only this time and will most likely be debating Zerban this time around whereas last time he didn't.  I know Zerban will be a fierce debater.  He's got serious fire in his belly, like Howard Dean.

        •  WI-01 Needs a Representative (0+ / 0-)

          John Galt and the Koch Bros seem to have their own private Congressman in Ryan.

          His sponsors must have given him the idea to charge "his" constituents for the privilege of hearing him speak (he's a "rockstar", y'know).  It has been years since he has had an open meeting with the people of the District.

          The VP race in 2012 gave him a good excuse to not answer to the public.  Or so the "free press" told us.

          This absentee owner of this Congressional seat can't be allowed to be given another free ride.

          •  He's not holding truly public town halls (1+ / 0-)
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            since he got savaged at the first one he held after his Path to the Poorhouse Budget was unveiled.  Bits of that town hall, complete with angry senior citizens, went viral.

            Since then, Ryan has held his events in private facilities with what is basically a "cover charge" with an invitation necessary (issued by his office).  This allows him to control who gets let in so there are not more viral videos. He's also able to forbid recording devices, cameras, and eject anyone he wants.

            Yeah, it's not his owners, but his own ass-covering that is responsible for this change of venue.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:11:17 PM PDT

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  •  What Child Indoctrination Camp He Come From? (1+ / 0-)
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    He and his ilk would make Hitler proud.  He looks so much like a scary Eddie Munster doll.

  •  Fuck Paul Ryan. (1+ / 0-)
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    He's an asshole. Reading about him put me in a bad mood.

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

    by anastasia p on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 05:55:23 PM PDT

  •  The two issues are already joined (1+ / 0-)
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    and given how close we are in time, they are joined. They need to be -- both votes are needed, now. Separating them only allows Boehner to fantasize that he can allow a clean CR vote and then put all the conditions on the debt ceiling instead. No, please no.

    •  Well, it was thought that if (0+ / 0-)

      the GOP did a government shutdown the bad taste in their mouth would prevent them from messing with the debt ceiling.  With the tail wagging the dog, though, the extremists think this is a big win for them and the moderates, fearing a primary challenge, are going along for the ride.

      They clearly care more about keeping their seats and positions of power than they do about the country.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:40:41 PM PDT

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