Back in early October 2013, a certain Nina Katarina raised the question as to whether the new Siege of Orgimmar raid is, in fact, better than Karazhan.

Now, any pre-Wrath-Baby would immediately answer "Of course not!"  To raid back in BC was to be alive.  But of course Wrath Babies don't know that.

It occurred to me that a mathematical proof would be required to demonstrate this to those who remain blissfully ingnorant of how far the game as fallen from when men were men, and to kill a boss was to eat the flesh, to wear the flesh, to be born unto new worlds where its flesh becomes my key.

Observe below the Ocre Moebius Strip why this is the case.

To begin, let us define an objective measure of raid enjoyment over time, E(t).  This can be expressed as a percentage, with the following scale:

1. Let P1(t) be the Enjoyment Factor of a raid over time.

2. Let Epsilon(t) = P2(t) - P1(t).

Now let us compile a table of typical raid events, harking back to 2007 estimates for Karazhan:

By plotting E(t) for both P1 and P2, we obtain:

And the resulting Epsilon differential:

Microsoft Excel's features for evaluating integrals are craptacular, however we can see that the net algebraic area is definitely positive, therefore Kara >> Siege.  Q.E.D.

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#### Comment Preferences

• ##### Tip Jar(8+ / 0-)

First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

• ##### oh(6+ / 0-)

So you got that far in one month?

• ##### Hell no(3+ / 0-)
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Transactivist, ReneeNY, Moody Loner

It was 6 months before my crappy guild even ventured into Kara.  But that was the beauty of it.  You didn't need new raiding tiers all the time just to hold people's interest.

BC came out in Nov. 2006.

First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

[ Parent ]

• ##### What no Carune????(4+ / 0-)

What is this blasphemy?

• ##### You don't speak enough in vent(3+ / 0-)
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Transactivist, ReneeNY, Moody Loner

It's hard to epitomize your behaviour besides selling noodles and Az-slapping emotes.  I had to cut corners.

First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

[ Parent ]

• ##### I love (and miss) my people! n/t(3+ / 0-)
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ReneeNY, Moody Loner, geordie

Michele Bachmann
is a manipulative homophobe. And soon to just be a bad memory!

• ##### Hey!(3+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
Cream Puff, Moody Loner, geordie

It's only necessary for me to laugh at my jokes!

(Initial response)

Going back to plough through the rest.

• ##### Second response(3+ / 0-)
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Cream Puff, Moody Loner, geordie

I miss Kara.

• ##### Best fight ever:(3+ / 0-)
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ReneeNY, Moody Loner, geordie

Ragnaros in MC at 60.

29, male, lifelong resident of LA-4.

• ##### I missed that by being too noobish(4+ / 0-)
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ReneeNY, Shreve, Moody Loner, geordie

heard it was pretty chaotic though.

25-man LFRs are incredibly frustrating with people ignoring instructions and bio-ing every 2 minutes.  I can only imagine what 40-man real raids were like.

First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

[ Parent ]

• ##### The 40 man roar in vent(3+ / 0-)
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Shreve, Moody Loner, geordie

...after downing Rag for the first time was amazing.

That was so much fun.

• ##### This really needs to be on the guild web site(2+ / 0-)
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ReneeNY, Cream Puff

Snuffy, you NEED to post this at the web site!

• ##### this is the greatest g/d thing i've seen(3+ / 0-)
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geordie, ReneeNY, Cream Puff

in a really long time.

i mean. i always say kara is the best instance of all time, and this proves it. with maths!!!!

• ##### Truly a masterful(3+ / 0-)
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geordie, ReneeNY, Cream Puff

analysis! Kara was my first raid back when :)

Power never concedes anything without a struggle.