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The 'chickenhawk' Ted Cruz and his Cruzettes with the Grifter Palin and the Palinites, most not veterans:

With the start of the recent wars and two tax cuts, huge for the wealthy who invested in the wars and reaped more wealth, China was and still is the main supplier of the borrowed funds, the Veterans Administration still grossly under funded budget is mostly borrowed, none paid back for the wars and especially as to the results of those wars, DeJa-Vu all over again:

With $1.28 trillion in U.S. Treasuries, China is easily the biggest foreign holder of American debt.

China has also funneled billions of dollars into private American investments – to the tune of an estimated $54 billion in 2012 alone.

That's our money they've been investing in those American investments!!

"If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too" "not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013
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  •  Was Surprised (16+ / 0-)


    This isn't getting the press I think these grifters were seeking. The local I caught yesterday was using clips of the destruction of government property, cutting the chains holding the barriers together with chain cutters and throwing the barriers into the pile. Along with the confrontational screaming by the crowd at the, I believe, Capital Police, still unpaid, at the White House fence!

    Though they were still reporting as if this crowd was all veterans, Not!!

    This morning doesn't seem to be bringing any added reporting as the headlines stay with what's going on, or not, in congress.

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:05:21 AM PDT

  •  Imagine if it had been the other way around... (6+ / 0-)

    and Senator Obama was leading a demonstration against Bush and yelling 'tear down these walls'.  I don't know how that wasn't destruction of Government property, which used to be a crime, as I recall.  Subversives all.

    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

    by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:10:16 AM PDT

    •  Reality (1+ / 0-)
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      The bushco abandoned the missions and countries promises as to why we sent our military into that region after 9/11, quickly and with cheers from most of the country, some 70%plus approved! Blowing up tens of thousands of innocents and destroying another country, millions made into refugee's in and out of country!

      Yelling 'tear down these walls', and actually destroying government property, the symbols, while not demanding they Sacrifice Still, are completely different scenes, haven't a clue why you even used it!

      And the unpaid are the ones that had to replace the damage done, you can bet the cruz and pain fans didn't, and most of them, like you, haven't paid and weren't veterans!!

      Like magnetic ribbons, lapel flag pins, memorials, wavin the flag, even the rebel flag, are symbols to use, while not upholding the contract to those who serve them!!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:23:49 AM PDT

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      •  What? (3+ / 0-)
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        and most of them, like you, haven't paid and weren't veterans
        Fuck you, I spent 12 years in the Navy and nearly lost my leg.  Go back to your imaginary world.

        If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

        by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:36:51 AM PDT

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        •  I Meant the (1+ / 0-)
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          'Haven't paid', neither have I though in my case I didn't in the early years of these wars and now into forced retirement with no takes as to employment where I am, as to those few of us who have and still do!!!

          Just added the rest to that for everyone else, the greater majority served!!!

          "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

          by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:40:42 AM PDT

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          •  I don't know buddy... (0+ / 0-)

            it must be me but I'm having a hard time following you.  I hope everything is well and if you need something, don't be afraid to seek out help and ask.  Have a good day.

            If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

            by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:08:11 AM PDT

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            •  So So (2+ / 0-)
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              Slowly dug out of the hole the bush put us all in, mine luckily went blank but not into owed to someone, and now back to at least a cushion which was depleted, one doesn't get much on the early retirement funding but if smart one can save a few out of, just takes awhile.

              But the concept is simple: Under the bush, starting before 9/11, they grew huge rapid deficits and we haven't paid that back yet. All the years since, and especially under Obama, the only thing really going on in congress is about the debt which brings us to today's shutdown and possible default, they don't mention what they created and the dems, except for a tiny few, do likewise, like all of this suddenly appeared with the change in the executive branch! My main concern is the wars of choice, free, and the veterans of, still grossly under funded, as the same who brung us use that good ole phony patriotism and symbols of and want even less of upholding their responsibility!!!!!!

              "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

              by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:22:25 AM PDT

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              •  I agree that Bush's wars are unpaid for... (2+ / 0-)
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                and illegal.  Can I ask, are you a veteran?

                If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

                by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:36:43 AM PDT

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                •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
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                  USN All Shore '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In Country '70-'71

                  And since that an advocate for and activist for the brothers and sisters.

                  Came back whole and only recently signed up with the VA as a main source of any care, especially as in December I go onto Medicare, when one's near and where I am presently there is.

                  These recent years should have been hammering the bushco and teabag congresses of, everytime they mentioned the deficit or anything to do with government responsibility, not only in the Dem ranks but the press as well, instead one hears crickets and if mentioned by a congress person it isn't spread !!

                  "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

                  by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:46:55 AM PDT

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                  •  Well thank you Sir! I'm honored to meet you. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Do you have family/friends close by that you get to see?

                    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

                    by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:49:23 AM PDT

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                    •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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                      About 14hours drive north or south, not that close, but after being stuck here will be moving next year. Though now thinking of not moving that far. I'm north of Charlotte and thinking about Asheville, but still may head closer to the ties in FL. But at 65 plus by then, the beach thing doesn't look as inviting, being a, not, man of leisure, and certainly not a dirty old man, the girls on the beach would now just be that, young girls on the beach:c}. I keep wondering why the TV ads have all these youngsters in them, then it hits me;c}

                      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

                      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:58:38 AM PDT

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                      •  Asheville is a nice area.... (2+ / 0-)
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                        and as for Florida,. if you are in Melbourne or Cocoa area, email me.  My wife and I would be honored to give you a warm bed and a hot meal while you scout out the area.  Either way, keep family close and fight on brother.

                        If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

                        by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:05:45 AM PDT

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                        •  Older sister and her family (2+ / 0-)
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                          Are on Sanibel, been there for years.

                          Have a niece and her family that were in Orlando, then Virginia and now back in FL near the big lake west of West Palm Beach.

                          Most of the rest are in upstate NY, come from a once large and still growing family.

                          "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

                          by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:10:03 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you so much for your service. (2+ / 0-)
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          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:40:19 AM PDT

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        •  Jim. I sincerely apologize for this comment... (0+ / 0-)

          I was shooting from the hip.

          If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

          by kharma on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 02:24:46 PM PDT

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    •  Need a reminder (1+ / 0-)
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      The wars like the huge debt, rubber stamping started before 9/11 and continued on many issues after along with the wars, were dumped into the incoming executive administrations lap!! The american public, almost in complete unison, turned quickly from any and all accountability, carrying the tea buckets before the extremist picked a name, then same allowed even more extremist not only into the federal government, control of the house and numbers in the senate, but turned states over to them!!!!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:29:16 AM PDT

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    •  Several congress Liberals were arrested last week. (6+ / 0-)

      For protesting. I saw nothing about any arrests yesterday, nothing about pepper spray or teargas or protesters beaten by police, ALL of which have been regular occurrences when Liberals or Occupiers are the marchers...

      Why should this be?

      What doesn't kill me had better start running.

      by old mark on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:00:45 AM PDT

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  •  Will the 'cruzettes' and 'palinites' (5+ / 0-)


    Show up with a Real group, a number of them, of Veterans, some of these do lean right and are mostly reactive not proactive:

    Veterans groups to push to end government shutdown
    October 12th, 2013 -  A military coalition including 33 of the nation’s leading veterans and uniformed services organizations on Tuesday will stage a major event in Washington to push for an end to the government shutdown.

    Activists for veterans and the nation’s service members have warned the shutdown – especially as it approaches the end of its second week – has had a devastating impact on them and their families, and now they are stepping up their campaign to put political pressure to re-open the government.

    The event will be held Tuesday morning at the National World War II Memorial, several sources familiar with it confirmed to CNN. Some of the major groups that will be represented include: The American Legion, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Disabled American Veterans, Air Force Sergeants Association, National Military Family Association and Jewish War Veterans. read more>>>

    Veterans Say House GOP's Piecemeal Approach Is Not Enough


    House Committee Veterans Hearing October 9, 2013 Government shutdown hitting veterans, military families hard


    VA Secretary Warns of Shutdown Impact on Veterans, Families

    To do more political grifting, especially the palin, I'll bet she's not reaping now like she was!

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:14:57 AM PDT

  •  Cruz and Palin look a lot alike in that photo? (3+ / 0-)
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    Or maybe it is just my imagination, eh?

    Thanks for the diary, jimstaro.

    •  I can only guess (2+ / 0-)
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      But I'll bet she's snuggling up with those like the cruz, her type of man?, as it seems the 'first stud' or whatever she called hubby is rarely seen as she travels the lower 48 doing the grifting.

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:48:58 AM PDT

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  •  And neither She From the North or Cruz apparently (6+ / 0-)

    had any problem with the Confederate flag v. the US flag flying.

    I wonder, did they take off their American flag pins for this stunt?

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:23:14 AM PDT

  •  I have no objection (4+ / 0-)
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    to the apolitical point of allowing access to open air national monuments.  However, if the maintenance crew is furloughed, it’s up to the visitors to remove graffiti, pick up the trash and clean any public toilets.  Bills to repair vandalism should be sent to the protest organizers.

    •  There's Much More then just cleanup (4+ / 0-)
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      There's protection from vandalism, which frankly this was but thankfully not to the memorials themselves, along with the fact those capital police there were working for no pay still as this crowd were screaming at them!!!!!

      By law the memorials must be closed when the government has no funding, along with all the other results from that are and workers are furloughed from.

      But once again you people are missing the point, it isn't the lawfully closed symbols, it's Nobody has paid for these wars nor the countries responsibility to those who served them, the VA!! That budget, grossly under funded, decades now and the wars from, is still mostly borrowed!

      But hey, for decades, the people just easily ignore the issues from the wars, PTS, Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrome to name but only a tiny few, so you all don't have to pay!!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:35:56 AM PDT

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      •  Lacking any evidence to the contrary, (1+ / 0-)
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        I’ll provisionally accept the statements of the organizers at face value.  So, yes it was about the lawfully closed monuments.  Also, I’m a 60 plus life-long liberal who hasn’t voted for a Republican since Dan Evans was a Senator from Washington.  If I’m part of “you people,” who the hell are you?

      •  jimstaro, I'm a vet too, and I'm going to tell you (0+ / 0-)

        that on several of these posts

        By law the memorials must be closed when the government has no funding, along with all the other results from that are and workers are furloughed from.

        But once again you people are missing the point, it isn't the lawfully closed symbols, it's Nobody has paid for these wars nor the countries responsibility to those who served them, the VA!! That budget, grossly under funded, decades now and the wars from, is still mostly borrowed!

        But hey, for decades, the people just easily ignore the issues from the wars, PTS, Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrome to name but only a tiny few, so you all don't have to pay!!

        what you're claiming would've gotten you exactly this response when I was AD (and likely my whole shop would've been backing it up): "Sir, with all due respect, sir, you go to hell, sir."

        Under Gen. Shinseki the changes to the VA have been legion and salutary.

        It's not his fault, or the vets' or their families, that the Gee O Pee favors sedition and nihilism over honoring the US government's treaties, contracts, and obligations. It's not the Capitol Police's fault that, absent NPS workers to care for the monuments, the barricades go up -- and nor is, contrary to what Canadian Cruiser and The Quitta want you to believe, that the fault of President Obama, VP Biden or the Democratic party. It's a direct result of Gee O Pee intransigence, funded by rich white guys' greed and rapacity. I do fully blame those who pour money into the Gee O Pee and Teawadjhadji coffers like they had no tomorrow to face -- and for whom US Vets and the reduced expectations set before our next generations are "acceptable consequences."

        Don't fall for their bullshit! You're better than that, soldier. Or did they not teach you, in basic back when, about the dangers of scuttlebutt, rumor and unfounded speculation / gossip?????

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 12:15:11 PM PDT

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    •  The vandals are the TRepublicans in Congress, yes? (5+ / 0-)
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      And We the People are getting stuck daily with the bill for their damage --- with some of the extreme damage being so bad that it can never be fully repaired.

  •  Some of the vets (6+ / 0-)

    are unhappy about being used as props for Cruz and Palin...

    http://www.politicususa.com/...

    Palin got heckled and called an idiot at about 36 seconds and worse at 1minute something...

    Ron Reagan: "Sarah Palin's constituency are people who wear red rubber noses and bells on their shoes."

    by AnnetteK on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:09:02 AM PDT

  •  Million Vets not happy with their political antics (6+ / 0-)
    Million Vet March on the Memorials ™

    The political agenda put forth by a local organizer in Washington DC was not in alignment with our message.  We feel disheartened that some would seek to hijack the narrative for political gain. The core principle is about all Americans honoring Veterans in a peaceful and apolitical manner.  Feel free to check out the 60+ rallies of the Million Vet March across the nation at our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/....

    I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

    by second gen on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:10:00 AM PDT

    •  Well the ones there (4+ / 0-)
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      Shoulda pulled the mics from the palin and cruz, not to mention telling those around them to get fir of the flags not U.S., and not let them talk. Along with telling the rest Not to Disrespect the Law enforcement there to protect them and the property!!

      After the fact just shows they agreed at the time with what was happening, including the comments made!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:26:15 AM PDT

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      •  Left out (2+ / 0-)
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        Instead of taking down the barriers and throwing them around!!

        "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

        by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:27:08 AM PDT

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    •  That 'after the fact' (3+ / 0-)
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      Looks more like trying to walk back because this is not getting the press and support they thought it would!!

      But that's a norm in FOX speak and rovian revisionist history 101!

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:31:44 AM PDT

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  •  is there one wide shot of the whole "crowd" /nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:28:38 AM PDT

    •  Saw (3+ / 0-)
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      A couple somewhere yesterday, but there really isn't that many there, some said around a thousand, but the active crowd looks much smaller and in some shots, far from them, there looks to be the Washington visitors as just onlookers and not participants.

      "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

      by jimstaro on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:34:05 AM PDT

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  •  Imagine the coverage if the crowd was black (2+ / 0-)
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  •  This was a political stunt that Palinities (1+ / 0-)
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    pulled and no they feel no shame because the only thing they ever sacraficed was maybe their families and patriotism.  They act like they have neither,   That woman is bonified nuts.  She bit the hand that fed her.. ( McCain) and is full of hate,   She is a narricist.  Cruz is just flirting for a run for president.  He too is rather odd,  They are predators and prey on vulerable people.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:49:01 AM PDT

  •  It was a KKK rally exploiting low info veterans... (0+ / 0-)

    Palin is the perfect keynote speaker for a KKK lynching rally.

    In 2008 she mentioned "Obama" and a voice in the crowd shouted out, "KILL 'EM!"

    Hijacking the veterans is not unusual for these chicken hawks who hate a black president.

    Disgusting, shameful performance that followed Cruz/Palin with words from Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch

    VIDEO (Runtime 1:49):
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...

    Simply put, it was a HATE RALLY!

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 01:52:24 PM PDT

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