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Pundits say the US is politically polarized between the Democrats and Republicans. But the two parties are more similar than alike: ideologically far to the right. From assassinations to preemptive wars to drones to kowtowing to business to backburnering the environment to torture, the Democrats and Republicans embrace extremist right positions.
Pundits say the US is politically polarized between the Democrats and Republicans. But the two parties are more similar than alike: ideologically far to the right. From assassinations to preemptive wars to drones to kowtowing to business to backburnering the environment to torture, the Democrats and Republicans embrace extremist right positions.

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  •  Glad to see you are not easy to scare off! (3+ / 0-)
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    MKinTN, quill, No Exit

    I appreciate your cartoon, even if I'm not in 100% agreement with you (maybe 90%), but you add a civil and humorous touch to your POV that is much needed in this often humorless, contentious place. It's important to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. We are on the same side, after all, even if by your today's cartoon that means barely to the left of Ateabagger the Hun!

    „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

    by translatorpro on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:24:18 AM PDT

  •  That's funny. (3+ / 0-)
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    nancyjones, ban nock, doroma

    It's my belief that the far right and far left are actually the same person and that the rest of us fall somewhere between the two extremes.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:42:35 AM PDT

    •  amazing too how some of those slip from the far R (0+ / 0-)

      to the far L or vice versa when they feel a change is necessary, never a sojourn to moderation.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:01:46 AM PDT

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  •  Yet another "They're all the same" meme, (7+ / 0-)

    haven't the recent events in DC burst that bubble of yours yet? It sure has for most observers.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:43:21 AM PDT

    •  You would think that the 2000 election... (4+ / 0-)
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      CwV, buffie, doroma, Eyesbright

      when certain folks lamented, "Bush and Gore are the same. I'm voting for Nader," would have once and for all ended the ridiculous "they're all the same" notion, but apparently some folks need remedial work when it comes to this topic.

      How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

      by BenderRodriguez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:01:23 AM PDT

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      •  I've never believed it more (1+ / 0-)
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        No Exit

        No doubt, Gore would have been better than Bush. But only by degrees. Look at the things the Dems and Reps agree upon, or at least say they do:

        Legalized torture
        Legalized assassinations
        Extraordinary renditions
        Guantanamo
        Preemptive warfare
        Austerity
        No major economic stimulus
        For-profit healthcare
        No help for distressed homeowners
        No extension of expired unemployment benefits
        No forgiveness of student loans
        No nationalization of bankster institutions

        One could go on and on...

        •  "Only by degrees?" (3+ / 0-)
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          terrybuck, doroma, Eyesbright

          Would a President Gore have declared war on Iraq? Doubtful. Would a President Gore have put Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court? Highly unlikely. Would a President Gore have a worthless FEMA director at the helm when Hurricane Katrina hit? Hard to fathom.

          Only by degrees? Yeah, about 180 of them.

          While the Democratic Party has always been a big-tent party, there are still huge, fundamental differences between it and the GOP.

          Do you not see the differences, or do you simply choose not to see the differences?

          How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

          by BenderRodriguez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:09:35 AM PDT

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          •  Gore was to the left of Obama (0+ / 0-)

            So it made more of a difference then. The differences exist, and I agree with what you say here. But they've gotten considerably narrower since 2000, in no small part because Obama represents the rightward drift of the party.

        •  Not all Dems agree with those things (4+ / 0-)
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          terrybuck, Catte Nappe, doroma, Eyesbright

          Most Repugs do. I agree that the average political viewpoint of our national leaders has shifted rightward, thanks in large part to the right-wing media and corporate takeover and influence on other media outlets. But painting all Democrats as supporting those things is misleading at best.

          Which is what you need to be true to support "they're all the same". Is that what you are indeed claiming?

      •  I voted for Gore, but Nader had a valid point (1+ / 0-)
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        wu ming

        You are conflating two separate issues: 1) whether the Democratic party has been mostly led by politicians who on many issues have more in common with Reagan Republicans, and 2) whether it is strategically smart to support third party candidates for president.

        Personally, I always liked Gore, so I had no problem voting for him, but I also think item 1 is absolutely true, especially following Clinton. Item 2 is obviously false, and most liberals knew it then, and certainly nearly all know it now (hence no recent viable 3rd party candidates).

        Bashing critics of the current right-leaning tendencies of many Democrats as "Nader voters" is dishonest.

        "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

        by quill on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:13:30 AM PDT

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        •  Strategic voting is silly (1+ / 0-)
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          quill

          because you can only control your own vote, and no election ever has been, nor will one ever be, determined by one vote.

          Except Bush v. Gore (the one vote being that horrible woman).

          Feel free to vote your conscience. It's free.

          •  yes and no (0+ / 0-)

            I see your point, and the evidence is that Nader voters didn't actually lose the election for Gore (I blame Gore's awful campaign and early throwing in of the towel).

            However, "conscience voting" (non-strategic voting) for specifically a third party can absolutely have an impact on elections, if enough people do it. Perhaps a better recent example was the effect of Perot splitting the Republican vote. The conservative controlled governments in Canada and England are also examples of how strong 3rd parties, even in multiparty systems, can deprive the majority of representation.

            The problem is that, in most political systems, two's company but three's always a crowd. When you have three parties, you usually end up splitting one political side (left or right) and giving the election to weaker major party.

            That's why I say that people should be SMART about their votes: if it doesn't matter (voting Nader in Cali) then vote your conscience, but never treat your vote as if it is unimportant in a close election.

            "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

            by quill on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:50:25 AM PDT

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        •  Just so (0+ / 0-)

          "Bashing critics of the current right-leaning tendencies of many Democrats as "Nader voters" is dishonest."

          These DINOs should be purged from the party. Sorry, but if you can justify the kidnapping of al-Libi, for example, you don't belong in the Democratic Party.

    •  How so? (0+ / 0-)

      The impasse began over Republicans trying to defend the ACA - a plan written by the right-wing Heritage Foundation, which the Democrats then embraced. The GOP is only against the ACA now because it's now a Dem plan. But then the Dems ought never to have backed it, because it's based on right-wing free-market ideology. Seems pretty similar politics to me, just different teams.

      Now it's about the budget. And both parties are pro-austerity, cutting the deficit, etc. Again, same ideas, basically.

      Stylistically, that's where the differences are. Dems are the people you'd more likely want to hang out with.

    •  Who are the observers? (0+ / 0-)

      "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:55:38 AM PDT

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  •  Amazing the perspective from the far right, er, I (0+ / 0-)

    mean left.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:00:11 AM PDT

    •  Be serious (1+ / 0-)
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      ban nock

      You really think socialists who want everyone to earn and own the same amount are the same as corporatist conservatives?

      •  I think extreme lefties see the world through a (0+ / 0-)

        tiny tiny window and hate everyone else, just like their right wing brethren. Socialism and corporatists have nothing to do with it, inflexible narrow thinking does. That's why it's so easy to change hats.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 05:42:26 AM PDT

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  •  To the right hut. And we're still going there. (0+ / 0-)

    If it wasn't so obvious it would be uh, really fucking obvious.

    "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:55:00 AM PDT

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