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From all the outrage Republicans are expressing over the broken HealthCare.gov site, you'd think they actually wanted people to be able to get health insurance. Here's the latest, a video mocking the site's online chat help.

Because they care, deeply, about all the people who can't purchase affordable health insurance in a timely manner. They care so much they've had more than 40 votes to repeal the law that made that health insurance possible. They care so much, some of them refuse to help their own constituents who have questions about the law. They care so much, they still haven't come up with their own plan to make sure everyone has access to health insurance. Color me unimpressed.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 08:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (26+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 08:50:51 AM PDT

  •  instead of blood banks, they would prefer to (6+ / 0-)

    supply vampires since stake lumber, pitchfork, and tweener TV ad revenues would rise

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 08:55:00 AM PDT

  •  Cantor: The rollout of Obamacare has been a (2+ / 0-)
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    debacle.

    Hmmmm........That's it?

  •  This is the crux of it ... (12+ / 0-)

    How is it possible that even the most obvious hypocrisy is invisible to some people?

    •  Reinforces their underlying message that gov't (4+ / 0-)
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      always fails.  I know it is hypocritical, but -- once again -- the Right consistently demonstrates How To Stay On Message and we end up running around in circles.

      "Where some see a system for encouraging discussion . . . others see an echo chamber of bad grammar, unchecked stupidity, and constructive interference . . . " -- Ars Technica

      by Rikon Snow on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:05:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Whose running around in circles? Not the Dems. (2+ / 0-)
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        Whose staying on message? Not Republicans.

        "your anointing... is an anointing as king. God has given you an anointing to go to the battlefield. ...To go to the marketplace and occupy the land. To go to the marketplace and take dominion." ~Papa Cruz on the "anointment" of Ted & Rand Paul

        by denig on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:11:13 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  but mitt romney said (11+ / 0-)

    people can always go to the emergency room!

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:03:20 AM PDT

  •  They care so much, that when Ron Paul was asked... (12+ / 0-)

    what to do about the person with no insurance and a condition that could kill him, they shouted "Let him die" on national TV.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:03:35 AM PDT

  •  Strangely, with all the hullaboo over the (6+ / 0-)

    website, I assumed it was the only way to get signed up, but just one or two days somebody right here at Daily Kos (so you know the information has to be accurate!) pointed out that people can sign up telephonically, or perhaps even by old-fashioned paper-based mail and possibly even in person.

    So there * are * options.

    Similar, I suppose, when I'm having trouble down-loading my lunch directly from McDonalds and I have to show up there in person (the horror, the horror!)

    •  Should have used Amazon (1+ / 0-)
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      You could have gotten free shipping, but the lunch would have been delivered in 5-8 business days.

      •  You're misunderestimating Amazon's abilities (3+ / 0-)
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        for example, this:
        Door-to-door war: how Amazon ignited a boom in same-day delivery services

        So, as long as I order by 9 am, I should be able to get it by dinner time.  Which doesn't solve the lunch thing, but whatever.

        Tangentially, the "same day" delivery boom by Amazon was spurred by states getting tough on collecting sales tax to protect their local retailers.

        Which led Amazon to think along the lines of " gee, if we're going to get hit with sales tax anyways, we might as well set up distribution centers in lots of states to make our services more convenient (.e.,g the same day delivery thing).

        which is actually making things worse for the local stores because it turns out that consumers prefer convenience more than they hate paying sales tax.

        chalk that up to the "law of unintended consequences"

  •  The website to send one's experiences (1+ / 0-)
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    to sounds like it will make another nice little echo chamber in which RWers can backslap and congratulate each other on having "won" another one. Meanwhile, success stories will multiply as the system gets improved and they'll be sitting around with that dumbshit look again.

    I discover myself on the verge of a usual mistake. ― Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

    by dannyboy1 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:07:56 AM PDT

    •  I sent my story... (4+ / 0-)
      One day, my Congress was taken over by a group of people who said they had the best interest of all Americans at heart.  Amongst these people were a smaller set of people, to protect their identity I will call them morons. This smaller set of people wanted to run things so they began making demands.  It seemed that all this smaller set of people wanted was to stop government from functioning because they appeared either incapable or unwilling to actually govern.  They certainly did not seem to have the American people's best interest at heart.  So the larger group of people who were in charge began to listed to the morons.  And the morons ruled.  And the government was shut down.  And a whole host of other bad ideas that they said were good for people but only caused to hurt people were put forth.  And the larger group still listened to the morons.  Then the larger group began saying, it isn't us, we really would like to help.  But they still listened to the morons.  I guess the larger group didn't have their mothers tell them that when you do what the morons want you to do, you only serve to become a moron yourself.  For my part, I would like to give all the morons, and the ones who act just like the morons, a nice long vacation where they never have to bother trying to do hard things like run a government.  They are just not good at doing that.

      "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

      by newfie on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:29:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  They are all right to life but please don't leave (7+ / 0-)

    me alone in a room with them.

    signed
    North Carolina baby.

    _______

    Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

    by 88kathy on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:07:58 AM PDT

  •  Die faster! (4+ / 0-)
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    While I'm sure this ad is "true", just as those folks on Hannity were also "true", the real truth is that they just want you to die faster unless you are worthy of living. Of course, they are the one who decide who is worthy.  Talk about death panels.

    The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

    by Back In Blue on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:07:59 AM PDT

  •  Did any one else hear the guy (3+ / 0-)
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    compare the rollout of the website to Hurricane Katrina?

    I know I'm crazy, these fucking people are insane!

    "The first duty of a revolutionist is to get away with it.". Abbie Hoffman

    by Joes Steven on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:09:26 AM PDT

    •  Definition of Disaster? (3+ / 0-)

      Seriously, these reports and media mouthpieces need to just go look up the definition of disaster in the dictionary.  Hurricane Katrina was a disaster.  The federal website rollout is an e-commerce fiasco.  One was based on uncontrollable climatic conditions, resulting in significant property damage and loss of life.  The other was based on shifting and probably contradictory requirements (scope creep), lack of sufficient time to develop and test and a vast misinformation campaign designed to spread falsehoods and influence expectations.  Nobody dies during an IT glitch.

      The only trainwreck currently occuring is inside the GOP.  In a few short months the federal website will be running just fine and then what will the GOP be complaining about?  Not sure, but they will find something, maybe that there isn't an online billing option, or that they don't like the accents of the call-center agents speaking 150 different languages.

  •  Their hypocrisy is glaring, (0+ / 0-)

    but that little video is still pretty damaging. This site needs to work.

    Stories about the difficulty obtaining coverage are swamping stories about shutdown fallout. If this is not corrected soon, I think it will start to show in the polls.

    •  Those stories will fall away soon enough . . . (4+ / 0-)
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      they will get it fixed. It is current thing to focus on the news cycle.

      When problems like this occur, you will never see the story "the web site is working now" What you will see is a gradual tailing off of  stories as the things improve or as the media diverts its focus to other things.

      You will have about four weeks of these before reports before the media moves on to US thanksgiving,  etc.

  •  I am bored by the hysteria over the roll out (13+ / 0-)

    This is the third largest country in the world and we are trying to put the whole country online! Only an idiot would think there would not be problems. I do fault HHS for not enough pilot testing and beta testing, but this will all get worked out. There was NO way they could really predict usage either.....no possible way. But the mass onslaught of Republicans who suddenly CARE about people without health insurance is nauseating.

    •  Not only large size, but the number of options! (2+ / 0-)
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      highacidity, FloridaSNMOM

      Think about the programming to cover the alternatives available, state-by-state with all the variations of individual eligibility and provider choices.

      That doesn't excuse some of the obvious-in-advance startup issues raised by people like Dr. Emanuel on Lawrence O'Donnell last night and in The New York Times today, but it does inform why a thing this complex isn't easy to squeeze into the containers required for good code-writing. (Yes, a one-button Medicare-style signup would have been easier!)

      I'm thinking - with no expertise here in programming, just common sense - that they'll have to split up the functions offered on the "sign up" web site and possibly use several web sites to get this up and running in a timely manner.

      This needs management as much as it needs technical expertise. I'm thinking it got the latter, but it desperately needed more thinking through in advance and organization ... and that's management failure!

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:19:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Other examples of rollouts. (1+ / 0-)
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      Every other Windows operating system.  We know how successful those are.

      Upgrade to the Common AP for college applications:  disaster.

      "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

      by newfie on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:37:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  But the Republican over reaction... (1+ / 0-)
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      GeoffT

      ...will probably end up helping the President -- again.

      How?

      First they distracted from the fouled up rollout by shutting down the government.  Now, they're giving a reaction that is so smarmy and over the top that it's likely that the Republican charades will end up taking news coverage away from any actual problems with the exchange websites.  And so the focus will be on Republicans acting stupid instead of the real problems with the website.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:44:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not to mention the fact (1+ / 0-)
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      that if we went along with the Republicans, the site wouldn't exist at all and there would be still be lots of people SOL when it comes to finding affordable health insurance coverage.

  •  The original GOP response to healthcare bill (0+ / 0-)

    what more can you say.

  •  The Obamacare rollout isn't as big a deal as the (4+ / 0-)

    Idiots in the media are making it out to be. Anyone who didn't think there'd be problems with such a massive rollout is kidding themselves.

    It's the phony idiots in the Republican party who are just a joke. All of a sudden they're stomping their feet and saying how dare the site fail, why can't Americans sign on with ease? Huh? -- because you idiots thwarted the rollout every step of the way. Sickening vile losers.

  •  the plan is working perfectly (3+ / 0-)
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    suck the Republicans into actually giving a sh*t about people that do not have health insurance.

  •  40+ votes to repeal. 0 votes to replace. (5+ / 0-)

    All talk. No action.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:26:55 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, where is their plan? They claim to like (0+ / 0-)

      getting rid of life caps and keeping kids on the parents plan and no pre-existing condition rejections...but no one asks how this works economically, that the ins companies need more customers to spread risk to pay for the parts of the ACA that they LIKE.

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:01:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A whole party of concern trolls. (5+ / 0-)
  •  This smells so much like the repub reaction to one (2+ / 0-)
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    of Obama's first missions as president:  to attempt to bring us the olympics.  I can never forget that roomful of mocking laughing "americans", on display, embarrassing themselves as they cheered a defeat of our country.

    Ayn sucks. Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer.

    by Floyd Blue on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:27:54 AM PDT

  •  I've read that it is easier to sign up in those (2+ / 0-)
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    blue states that actually set up their own sites.

    Everything is harder in a red state. I blame the inbreeding.  

  •  Apparently the fact people are having trouble (3+ / 0-)
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    purchasing a product through a website proves they don't want the product.

    I once tried purchasing concert tickets through ticketmaster when the site crashed. I took this as proof people hate music.

    Money doesn't talk it swears.

    by Coss on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:35:54 AM PDT

    •  No. It does, however, support a picture of (0+ / 0-)

      government incompetence, much as the Medicare part D rollout did a few years back.

      The galling thing is that Medicare part D WAS a fiasco, replete with serious computer problems.  That should have informed the people doing healthcare.org.

      Some people never learn, I guess.  Others don't want to.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:55:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I've never had any problems (0+ / 0-)

        with a non government website. If this ever occurs, I assume there will be calls to shut that company down.

        Hopefully it's not my banking site.

        Money doesn't talk it swears.

        by Coss on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:00:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I don't remember a Medicar partD rollout (1+ / 0-)
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        shit-storm, do you?

        "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

        by merrywidow on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:03:11 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, but not over a web site. (1+ / 0-)
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          Most of the coverage went to sheer consumer confusion as things got a little complicated, as well as horror stories about trying to actually use the benefit without getting ripped off.  Telephones were the primary outreach medium for part D, and getting telephone capacity right was a little tricky. And, of course, telephones might have handled the front-end, but there were massive computer systems (to foul up) in the back end.

          At one point, the administration stepped up and took special measures to make sure that seniors weren't ripped off.

          The problems were worked through, and things settled down.

          The Part D experience should have been a giant warning to developers at healthcare.org. At the very least, the developemnt team should have understood that responsiveness, not to mention correct operation, were necessary features of the system.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:17:38 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Ticketmaster (1+ / 0-)
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      That's a good comparison -- a coworker was trying to order tickets through their website a few months back, and it kept on dumping him out after long waits whenever he tried to do anything.

      And that's a company that has been online for how many years now?

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:47:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The problems will disappear soon enough (1+ / 0-)
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    The Ravings of the Teabaggers and Wingnuts will get dredged up and regurgitated Forever.

    It's a long standing tradition when you have Absolutely
    NOTHING else to contribute.

    I'm waiting for the day when folks in the Non-Obamacare
    states Wake Up and start asking WHY they are NOT
    part of the Program.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

    •  That will happen about ten months or (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm waiting for the day when folks in the Non-Obamacarestates Wake Up and start asking WHY they are NOT part of the Program.  
      a year from now.  

      "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

      by Calamity Jean on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 09:38:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans think there should be companies (2+ / 0-)
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    in the exchanges which take chickens for payment.

    The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

    by shoeless on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:40:14 AM PDT

  •  Are the Republicans saying that voters should (2+ / 0-)
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    elect people who can make Obamacare work well?

    The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

    by shoeless on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 09:48:06 AM PDT

  •  A "horror stories" blog has been making the rounds (0+ / 0-)

    with some of the conservatives with whom I am linked on FB. It purports to be a huge list of ACA problems, but its veracity is very much in question:
    Guide to How Obamacare is Destroying American Lives

    It's almost too stupid to address, but something tells me this stuff should be confronted. I'm just not sure how much I want to confront people on FB. In person, sure. But FB, like all of the web, is where people go to impotently vent.

    •  I just read some, I bet most are lies or (1+ / 0-)
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      exaggerations, some are people who "feel" it won't work for them and others say their rates went up but they REFUSE to sign up for ACA because, Freedom.

      many sound confused over the facts and i know for sure that single mothers who don;t make much will have very low subsidized premiums, contrary to what they wrote

      and most can't spell or put together a sentence

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:23:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    pretend to Care ...  

    just like, Republicans pretend to Governing.




    (Dibs on the bumperstickers, lol)

  •  So the GOP are now publicizing healthcare.gov? (0+ / 0-)

    Well, Obama had Russia take the lead in disarming their own Syrian ally of chemical weapons last month.

    Maybe he really does have superpowers...

    Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

    by GeoffT on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:50:12 AM PDT

  •  So...let me get this straight. (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    GOP Pre-ACA: NOOOOooOOooOO!

    GOP Post-ACA: NOOOoOOOO@$@!$OO!

    GOP circa ACA implementation: Neener neener! It's not perfect! Kill it! Kill it with fire!

    For all the problems with the ACA website, which I agree are ridiculous and unacceptable, imagine how things would've gone if the (ahem) "loyal opposition" hadn't been fighting it tooth and nail, quashing it on the state level, and spreading all sorts of death-panely lies about it (and making ads like this).

    Imagine, if you will, a world where half of our government didn't think "Let 'em die!" was a viable approach to healthcare.

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