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Ouch!  (warning:  large pdf file).

Very interesting factoids from a recent Wisconsin Public Radio/St. Norbert College poll taken during and after the government shutdown which says that Wisconsinites think Congress sucks and that Republicans were responsible for the shutdown.

But the more interesting news is inside the poll:

On Page 6, for example:

If the election for Governor in Wisconsin were held today, do you think that Governor Scott Walker deserves to be re-elected or does not deserve to be re-elected?
Does Deserve Re-Election ................................................ 46%
Does Not Deserve Re-Election .......................................... 49%
Not Sure ......................................................................... 6%
Yowsa!  If 49% of Wisconsinites think Walker doesn't deserve to be re-elected, there's some trouble in FitzWalkerStan.

Want more?

When asked about their approval or disapproval of Federal and State Officeholders, the results look like this (see page 4):

Scott Walker

Strongly Approve               21%
Approve                            29%
Disapprove                        20%
Strongly Disapprove           25%
Have Not Heard of               1%
Not sure                              5%

Ron Johnson

Strongly Approve                6%
Approve                            26%
Disapprove                        21%
Strongly Disapprove           14%
Have Not Heard of              19%
Not sure                            14%

Nearly 1 in 5 Wisconsinites had no idea who Ron Johnson is!!  If anyone of those 1 in 5 is reading this, let me inform them that RoJo is the United States Senator who is supposed to be representing Wisconsin since he purchased the 2010 election.  It was only on election night, the first line of his victory speech, that we were told he was a Tea Bagger.  Prior to election night he successfully pretended to be a Republican whose only focus would be on jobs, jobs, jobs just like his fellow Republican buddy, Scott Walker, who has similarly focused on everything BUT jobs since being sworn in.

Contrast RoJos numbers against our newest US Senator,

Tammy Baldwin

Strongly Approve               10%
Approve                            32%
Disapprove                        21%
Strongly Disapprove           17%
Have Not Heard of               8%
Not sure                             12%

I'd bet my next pension check that Johnson will start running away from the Tea Party when he gets a gander at how unpopular THEY are now:

Republicans in Congress Who Favor Tea Party Policies

Strongly Approve                8%
Approve                            25%
Disapprove                        23%
Strongly Disapprove           37%
Have Not Heard of               4%
Not sure                              4%

With numbers like that, who in their right mind would embrace them?  Then again, I've never said that Republicans are in their right mind.

Please note that the poll was taken BEFORE the statewide John Doe Probe was revealed, so Walkers numbers aren't affected yet by the second investigation.  It was also taken before there has even been any ads on his record or campaign discussion of his quite dismal record, particularly on his promise of 250,000 new jobs in his first term (hint:  he's way, way behind).

I find the numbers fascinating.

Also see this posting for further discussion.


On another note, there's a juicy discussion of the new statewide John Doe at Cog Dis that you might just want to wander over to read.   It includes some interesting history and speculative connect the dots.  It's well worth the time to read it.


Originally posted to Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 01:50 PM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive.

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  •  Scottenfreuden! (66+ / 0-)

    Well, at least some Scottenfreuden.  Looks like Walkers gonna need a bigger boatload of payola from the Kochs in 2014.  And more for his Criminal Defense Fund, too, by the looks of things.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 01:45:03 PM PDT

  •  These numbers do suggest that a good (14+ / 0-)

    Democratic candidate that can get a general election level turnout of Democrats can beat either Walker or Johnson.

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    by khyber900 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 01:54:08 PM PDT

  •  still that means its roughly 50-50 (10+ / 0-)

    approve disapprove.  walker is probably not gong to drop below 40 unless its comes out that he has love slaves locked in his basement  Johnson's in big trouble if Feingold wants his seat back, which apparently, he does. when 1 in 5 people don't even know who you are after you have been representing them for 3 years you're in trouble. that , ot 1 in 5 people live in a literal bubble. Johnson, being a senator isnt up for re-election until 2016, remember senators have 6 year terms. given that's a presidential year and we usually do very well at those times, hes likely toast. Walker should be the main focus here.

    •  You're right (6+ / 0-)

      that Johnson won't face the wrath of the voters until 2016, but those numbers are just dismal and not likely to improve since he also voted against reopening the government.  

      He's probably lucky that 1 in 5 people haven't heard of him.  Those who have don't like him at all.  He's unliked in the US Senate, too.

      Walker should be our main focus as well as the GOP majority State Legislature now with their newly gerrymandered districts.  I'm hoping that the mandatory ultrasound, Planned Parenthood defunding, and abortion restrictions that Republicans rammed through become a major issue in 2014.  

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:07:37 PM PDT

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  •  Will Russ Feingold run to get his seat back (6+ / 0-)

    in 2016?

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:03:15 PM PDT

  •  Oh, Happy Thursday. Such pretty poll numbers. (6+ / 0-)

    I can't wait until more and more people start learning about the expanded John Doe investigation.

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Antonin Scalia, John Boner, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

    by Eman on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:07:04 PM PDT

  •  Let's just hope these numbers keep getting (7+ / 0-)

    worse and worse for Walker. I'd like to know what 6% of people have either never heard of him or have no opinion.

  •  Seems like good news for Walker to me. If he's (4+ / 0-)

    got those kinds of numbers after several years of scandal and national attention then I don't see what there is to root about. Let's face it, people like him as Governor and don't feel outraged enough to replace him. Short of him being officially charged for crimes committed that dude is not going anywhere.

    I think we need to let this one go.

    If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

    by DoctorWho on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:24:11 PM PDT

  •  Is the goddam worm turning yet? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Dems need to tie Walker to the Tea Party (10+ / 0-)

    We know Scooter is a Teabagger, but my guess is many low info voters still haven't made the connection. Walker has been trying to distance himself from the shutdown fiasco, and the Dems can't let him succeed.

    A few days ago I was talking to a client who I know leans Republican. I don't bring up politics with clients and I didn't this time--she just started ripping on the Republican shutdown. Her exact words were "I'm not a big fan of Obama, but the Republicans have become scary crazy." She also complained about all the "abortion stuff" the state GOP has been pushing.

    I have been very impressed by Burke since she announced. She can flip independent women and drive turnout.

    As for Sunspot Johnson, he should be peeing his pants. If Feingold runs he will avenge his loss.

    I would love to see a poll on Lyin' Ryan's district, he voted to default and hopefully he has suffered a bit for it.

    Well done Puddytat!

    •  Zerban is in for Round 2 (9+ / 0-)

      against the Amazing Marathon Man. I'm guessing hes got a good chance at knocking paul off, after all, wasn't Paul one of the nutjobs pushing for default if he didnt get his wish list included in the debt ceiling deal? Yes, he was. and he got nothing for all his efforts except being further exposed as a smarmy weasel who's in over his head. But we here at Kos already knew that didnt we?

    •  I think all the anti-abortion, anti-contraception, (7+ / 0-)

      anti-sex ed, vigorous abortion clinic uber-requirements, and pulling Planned Parenthood funding as well as the mandatory ultrasounds are going to bite the GOP in the ass.  These extremist laws, rammed through the legislature and secretly signed by Walker need to be front and center in 2014.

      Every Republican needs to get tarred with this since they all voted for it.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 03:04:50 PM PDT

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      •  It has helped McAuliff in VA (6+ / 0-)

        He has a 20 pt lead with women over Cuccinelli. He's been running ads against all the stuff they passed, saying they are too extreme. I think the tide is turning on the abortion people, just like it has on gay marriage.

        Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

        by Sherri in TX on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 03:11:59 PM PDT

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        •  And the backlash that put Wendy Davis into play (4+ / 0-)

          The TX voter disenfranchisement against women shows their level of fear.

          WI has gone full tilt for Mary Burke to run against Walker, regardless of valid objections from many on the left.

          When the threat is to ban birth control, a woman candidate will get more votes than a man. Shallow, but realistic.

          When the threat is to take yer gunns aweigh, a man will get more votes.

          So we know which issues we need to address....

          Both TX and WI are infected with far right wing evangelical Dominionist types in charge of the state legislatures, Both states have this problem in far too many local offices. This won't get much better until the whole faction gets ousted.

          It will be a tough slog.

          "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

          by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 04:02:08 PM PDT

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          •  It's getting even tougher (4+ / 0-)

            because Burke, like the Democrats, won't commit to efforts to repeal Act 10 (the union busting).

            I'm certain they'll come to unions for money, to union members for volunteer hours and money, just as they always do.  Liberals are asking, though, why should we support those who don't have our back?

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 04:07:13 PM PDT

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            •  In the end, union support will have some influence (4+ / 0-)

              A lot will depend on her campaign skills and executing an effective strategy. Russ Feingold's endorsement and advice will help. For sure, the WI Democratic Party isn't much help.

              The wishy-washy Act 10 position is likely to reduce Dem voter turnout if nothing changes soon.

              There are just too many issues and complexities to deal with. The campaign has to be focused and simple. Otherwise, we can get trapped into reacting to the right wing lies du jour.

              In my view, it boils down to the usual factors. Money, messaging, money, GOTV, money, JD2, and did I mention money?

              We can't lose focus on the legislators, either. I'm sensing some local pushback from watching things change in the tone of newspaper editorials and LTE's, but these topics can turn on a dime. It's not much, but it's not getting worse.

              Timing is everything with JD2. I can only hope that there'll be a few indictments or immunities that come out before the elections. I've been avoiding adding my two cents to the speculation. I think Cog Dis has opened up a couple of good guesses so far, but 5+ counties tells me that there's a lot more going on.

              Yeah. It's already tough and it will get tougher.

              "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

              by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 04:43:30 PM PDT

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              •  Kathleen Vinehout could be a wild card as well (4+ / 0-)

                While Mary Burke is liberal on social issues and moderate on fiscal issues, Vinehout is basically the other way around. Given Burke's wishy-washy statements on economic/education issues (Burke said that she opposes school vouchers, then turned around and said that she wouldn't repeal the statewide school voucher program in Wisconsin, for example), she's probably a corporatist Democrat. I would consider Vinehout to be a rural populist Democrat.

                Vinehout stated earlier today that she's going to spend six more weeks meeting with people interested in seeing her run for governor (which would mean a primary challenge to Mary Burke). If Vinehout were to enter the gubernatorial race, that would force Burke to completely change her campaign strategy, as Burke would have to tack leftward on economic issues and attack Vinehout over her mixed record on social issues.

                Another potential wild card is the special election in the 21st State Assembly District of Wisconsin (southeastern part of Milwaukee County). The Democratic candidate in that race (Elizabeth Coppola) appears to be running slightly to the left of Mary Burke despite running in a state assembly district that is several points more Republican than Wisconsin as a whole is. The Republican candidate in that race (Jessie Rodriguez) won a multi-way primary with the help of big money from an pro-school voucher group with ties to disgraced Former Republican State Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen. While Coppola has zero interest in running for governor, if Coppola were to defeat Rodriguez, that would completely blow up Burke's electability argument which is basically along the lines of "a progressive/rural populist/strongly pro-union candidate can't defeat Walker", which is complete nonsense.

                My parents made me a Democrat. Scott Walker made me a progressive.

                by DownstateDemocrat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:07:38 PM PDT

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                •  This is why I was disappointed (3+ / 0-)
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                  GrumpyOldGeek, dragonlady, greenearth

                  that Emilys List and Progressives United have already endorsed Burke.  

                  There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                  by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:39:15 PM PDT

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                  •  Particularly Progressives United (3+ / 0-)
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                    dragonlady, Puddytat, GrumpyOldGeek

                    ...and they're only providing fundraising support to Mary Burke. She needs advice from Russ Feingold himself (she's clearly not getting that), not fundraising help from Feingold's PAC.

                    Also, Burke, and to a much greater extent, Burke's supporters, are openly bashing progressives. Burke said that, "They (referring to progressive critics of Burke) don’t know me and my positions, and that is what a campaign is all about." That came across as an insult to the Democratic base in Wisconsin.

                    Earlier today, Mike Tate (who has done everything to promote Burke that he can without losing his job), criticized Ed Garvey for being skeptical/critical of Burke, and accused Garvey of being "closer to supporting Republicans than Democrats". That's a false accusation by Tate...Garvey is a staunch progressive who has never backed a Republican to my knowledge, and likely never will back a Republican.

                    Burke is the only Democratic candidate running against Walker right now (Vinehout will decide whether or not to attempt a primary challenge to Burke in six weeks or so), so openly antagonizing progressives is TERRIBLE strategy on the part of Team Burke.

                    My parents made me a Democrat. Scott Walker made me a progressive.

                    by DownstateDemocrat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 09:20:10 PM PDT

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                  •  Progressives United polled their members. (0+ / 0-)

                    I got an email asking if Progressives United should support Mary Burke or not. I didn't respond because I wasn't sure, but of those that did, over 75% said we should support her. The following is from an email I got on the results:

                    By a 75.2%-24.8% margin, thousands of progressives voted to start organizing right away, so Burke can build a grassroots organization early.
                    Here were some of the reasons given, also in my email:
                       I believe [Mary Burke] has the right set of values to unite us and get us back on the track of [a] good, honest government that hears all voices and works for the common good. -- Marie S.

                        Under ordinary circumstances, I'd be encouraging Progressives United and other allies to hold off until after the primaries...but today, the playing field is so far from level that this just may not be practical, given the high stakes involved. Mary Burke is an exceptionally well-qualified candidate. Supporting her now would give her a similar advantage to the one that Tammy Baldwin had in 2012 in being able to place her focus and resources early on with the general election. -- John Q.

                        Dems need a fresh face to challenge the career politician empty suit that is Governor Scott Walker. Mary Burke meets that requirement. She also has great business experience with a company that is truly "Wisconsin." What Ms. Burke lacks at this time is statewide name recognition. Getting involved with her campaign now will help her achieve the name recognition necessary to defeat Scott Walker. -- Jamie W.

                •  I was surprised at the early endorsements (0+ / 0-)

                  Maybe that's part of the super-secret strategery and eleventy twenty dimension chess. Probably not. It makes no sense to wait forever to announce and then endorse early.

                  Yeah, I understand the Progressive United arguments, excuses actually, for deciding to endorse early. I just don't agree with making such an important strategic decision based on the consensus of 3000 members who aren't experienced political strategists. To me, this confirms that the WI Democratic Party has no leaders at all. I think this could explain the idiotic electability argument nonsense that you describe among other things...

                  Virtually locking out other viable candidates, for one thing....

                  This doesn't seem like a strategy that Russ Feingold would push, either. This bugs me a lot. I wonder what Granny D would have to say to Russ about this stuff? Her grave is about 15 miles from my home. Maybe I'll go ask her...

                  I think that a socially progressive candidate is critically important in WI right now. I'm not bothered with Burke's fiscal conservative position. She ran the Commerce Dept. before Walker privatized it as WEDC. And we know how that turned out. She's the most credible person to clean it up, imo.

                  Her statements about repealing Act 10 were accurate but a political gaff. Act 10 can't be undone in one swell foop. That would be a budget disaster. It must be backed out carefully. Her statements implied that she might leave Act 10 in place. Ambiguity can be poisonous.

                  This is the big time, Mary Burke, and you're just getting started.

                  "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

                  by GrumpyOldGeek on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 12:20:04 AM PDT

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                  •  We already have a budget disaster (1+ / 0-)
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                    actually, you know, paying folks the miney back that walker swiped from them would blow up the deficit, but we're already in deficit to the tune of 500 million bucks. basically this 100 million tax cut is paid for by enforcing paying state taxes on online purchases. basically it goes from one hand, to the other without ever going in the pocket. so the money that would have slightly improved our fiscal picture by increasing revenue is instead spent to make walker look good, when it in reality for anyone not writing big checks to him, its the equivalent of 1 dollar a month, and for the homeowner paying 1500 a month in property taxes, its hardly even a rounding error. congrats, over a year that MIGHT translate to two chicken mcnugget meals or Big macs, and down the line we're going to have to pay for that, bigtime. save some small amount now, pay for it big time, later. its bad enough they are slipping in all sorts of goodies to his backers in bills at the last minute and ramming them through.  walker is a corrupt snake, but hes not the only one in the state. while we do have great progressive like Lafollete, Nelson and Feingold in our history, we also have losers like MCCarthy, Walker and Glenn Grothman.

              •  I don't speculate in diaries (1+ / 0-)
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                which is why I didn't cite from Cog Dis and just provided the link.  The speculation there is never without some basis.

                There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:40:38 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

  •  Daily Beast has picked up WalkerGate (11+ / 0-)
    Scott Walker Investigated in Secret Wisconsin Probe

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Monday that a secret investigation has been launched into possible campaign violations. The Wisconsin governor, who has survived a recall election and a previous probe relating to his conduct while serving as Milwaukee County executive, may be under investigation in connection to activity that has occurred since he was elected governor in 2010, particularly during the 2012 recall election...

    The Journal Sentinel also reported that the conduct of “a current legislative leader,” widely believed to be Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, is part of the investigation as well. Fitzgerald did not return a request for comment...

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Antonin Scalia, John Boner, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

    by Eman on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:48:57 PM PDT

    •  I wrote a diary on how they're all silent (3+ / 0-)
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      It speaks volumes, as Cog Dis points out (link at the bottom of the diary).

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 03:05:43 PM PDT

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      •  San Francisco Chronicle picked up the original (3+ / 0-)
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        story Tuesday morning.  But it just showed up on my google search tonight.  Word IS getting out.

        Walker declines comment on new criminal probe

        The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel first reported on the new investigation Monday. On Tuesday, the Journal Sentinel reported ( ) that Walker deflected questions about the probe, calling it a "side bar" issue and saying he didn't want to get "pulled into" questioning because of the investigation's secrecy rules...

        "It defies logic that a probe into criminal activity which began early last year has anything to do the emergence of a strong challenger to him," said Wisconsin Democratic Party chairman Mike Tate in an emailed statement. "The public has a right to know if their governor is a target of this criminal probe, if he's provided testimony or if his actions spurred this probe."

        "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Antonin Scalia, John Boner, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

        by Eman on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 08:39:18 PM PDT

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      •  Forbes picked up the story tonight. (5+ / 0-)
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        Special Prosecutor Named In Investigation Of Possible Criminal Activity Surrounding Scott Walker Recall Election

        Just when Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker thought it was safe to come out and play, we learn that yet another John Doe investigation is underway into possible criminal campaign violations tied to last year’s effort to recall Walker and his Lt. Gov., Rebecca Kleefisch...

        According to sources, the new John Doe effort—which is reported to have quietly begun in February of 2012—is focused on potential criminal activity involving campaign law violations occurring after Walker’s 2010 election to the Wisconsin statehouse while the earlier John Doe dealt with issues arising during Walker’s time as Milwaukee County Executive.

        The new investigation is said to be gathering considerable steam and is now being pursued in at least five Wisconsin counties...

        "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Antonin Scalia, John Boner, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

        by Eman on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 08:45:02 PM PDT

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        •  Wow, that's brutal (4+ / 0-)

          and it goes on to talk about how Walker has made magic pay raises for his cronies by using phony job transfers.

          I also checked out the article that referred to one of those folks who got the Very Special Walker Pay Bump - the guy whose miracle jobs numbers saved Walkers bacon during the recall election.

          That, too, was a brutal look at the truth;  something we don't get here in Wisconsin.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 09:55:22 PM PDT

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          •  Interesting take this morning from Capital Times.. (1+ / 0-)
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            Interest blossoming in Wisconsin's latest John Doe probe

            For a few days, the story circulated on the leftie blogosphere. Then, on Thusday, Talking Points Memo weighed in with a story detailing the John Doe process, a secret investigation overseen by a judge similar to a federal grand jury...

            Notably absent from the lineup is MSNBC, which is usually on top of the Scott Walker watch. But now that national interest has been piqued, we're likely to see news of the new John Doe probe show up in the coming days in the traditional national media.

            "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Antonin Scalia, John Boner, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

            by Eman on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:51:58 AM PDT

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  •  The feds dont leak stuff (2+ / 0-)
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    and if they are digging into stuff you're involved in, you'd better lawyer up big time because these guys don't dick around. they investigate you, they have good reason to believe you broke a few laws in whatever you are doing. now i'm not the type to scream 'voter fraud' about last years recall, Marquette has a good record for calling races, and they were right about the margin.  so if they are saying hes underwater in re-elect/ dont re-elect, then that's likely where he is. the truth is, people either love walker or would love to accidentally run him over while driving home from work. there's  really no in-between. given the folks here, i'm guessing we fall under the second category. lets call a spade a spade folks.

  •  The numbers are ok....but but but.... (3+ / 0-)

    I am appalled at the numbers who either approve or have no opinion of Walker or Johnson.  Talk about low information voters...who ARE these people and what rock have they been living under???  What determines who gets polled?  I haven't ever been called for polling, and I sure wonder what kind of list they work from.  Walker still has pretty high approval, considering how he has torn this state apart....

    Wisconsin: It's war, you know. We didn't start it, but we'll keep fighting in it until we win

    by isewquilts2 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 04:42:10 PM PDT

  •  Good job, Puddytat. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41:02 PM PDT

  •  PT: Radio this AM reported that media were given (1+ / 0-)
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    access to the sealed Rindfleisch court records ... but I haven't heard a peep ... know anything about it?

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:52:49 PM PDT

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