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Does anyone remember the 70’s?  I do.  Growing up in the South, I remember the first time I heard of someone in my town being shot and killed with a firearm.  In the 70’s and 80’s gun violence frightened people. It was a problem that NYC had, but not us in this sleepy little city in Forsyth County.  We were willing to consign this to other people and other places: not us.  It was safe here.

But what the statistics showed was a complex and nuanced problem in our city. Gun violence was here to stay. Sure, we implemented gun buy back programs, and lots of awareness programs.  As studies have shown these were in large part ineffective.

But those studies also pointed out that while gun buy back programs could manage to get a few hundred firearms off the street at a time, the program didn't have the resources to handle the thousands of guns out there.  So they made a dent – but only a dent.  And so, the rate of gun related violence from then until recently tracked closely with crime trends I the nation – falling because of increased policing and better policing methods.  Generally speaking though, the percentage of gun violence with all crime remained roughly constant.

Again, one might read into the study cited above as suggesting that the massive production and access market of firearms simply overwhelmed the community’s efforts to deal with such a large influx of weapons. And so we are at a standstill – a balance of power so to speak in NC - until now. With the new NC assembly pointing out (helped along by the NRA) that we have all lost our freedoms, NC has set about to put a gun in everyones hands. A raft of ALEC-sponsored legislation to band gun buyback programs – or make them even more toothless is, in fact, the very least of our problems, since as stated above these made only a small dent in the overall gun-crime rate:

More disturbing is the changing carry laws wherein nearly every public place has become a new version of “Tomestone.” A small fraction of the population is responding to these new laws to open the flood gates of gun-supply locally.  Don't believe me?  Checkout the applications for concealed weapons permits alone over the past 10 years:

From 1995 to 2011

Forsyth County – 12,061 applications – 6,685new - 61rejected and 98revoked
Guilford County – 16252 – 8,516new – 182rejected - 83revoked

The difference between the totals is the number of new filings within 2011 that are in process at the time of the report!  This year the number is greater. With 2011 and 2012 counted (the 2012 numbers are ready yet) this means a more than doubling of concealed weapons within our community. Of course these are handguns, the semiautomatics arent counted here.

Unfortunately for us Tarheels, there is a time lag between buying that shiny new AR-15 assault weapon and the time it takes you to lose it – and consequently its use in a crime.

So, if we are to believe the not so limited studies linking gun violence and gun-crime: then we in NC may indeed be looking at a return of those “good ol’ days” so often waxed poetically by the teapublicans. NC is indeed moving up – but not in education, manufacturing jobs, standard of living, wage earnings or healthcare – but in gun violence!

Great job McCrory. When he said there was a new Sheriff in town, we didn't know he meant Wyatt Earp!

Originally posted to CitizenKane on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 02:01 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  Actually, Tombstone, like many towns (6+ / 0-) the Old West, had local ordinances prohibiting carrying firearms.  People were required to check them in when entering town and pick them up when leaving.

  •  Red NRA Supporter (3+ / 0-)
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    murrayewv, WakeUpNeo, chicklet

    Gov McCrory seems worried bout them 'good guy' gun owners! After all, the state is so called red and he got hired along with them Raleigh reps!

    NC gov. mansion gets ballistic windows, gas logs

    4 Nov 2013 - The administration of Gov. Pat McCrory has spent $167,000 on renovations and repairs at the North Carolina Executive Mansion, including the additions of bullet-resistant windows, gas fireplace logs and outdoor fire pits.
    What with all the guns in this state, and in so many good guy gun owners hands with their thousands of rounds of ammo, what would Pat be worried about!!

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 02:54:21 PM PST

  •  Seems strange to me... (0+ / 0-)

    Using the numbers you provide about 2.3% of NC citizens have a concealed weapons license. In Washington state about 5.2% of the citizens have their concealed pistol license. As of the end of 2011 Washington had about current 359,000 CPLs (concealed pistol licenses) in circulation.

    I would never have guessed we where the winners in that contest.

    A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by notrouble on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 06:34:55 PM PST

  •  Violence is lower today than in the '70s (2+ / 0-)
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    PavePusher, notrouble

    Your memory of a sleepy, peaceful '70s does not reflect the reality.

    Violence rates in the US peaked in the early '90s and have steadily declined since. At the same time concealed carry has become the rule. Coincidence? Maybe. But we can say for sure that more people carrying handguns in public has not increased violent crime.

    •  And looking at the numbers (1+ / 0-)
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      Guilford County – 16252 – 8,516 new – 182 rejected - 83 revoked
      Out of 16,252 issued permits, 83 or roughly 0.5% of them have been revoked.  According to data I've seen, most permit revocations are for non gun related offenses such as DUI, DV, or simple assault.

      Also, looking at the overall crime rate figures, using Guilford County again, it has a crime rate of 4,133.5 crimes per 100,000 people.  The numbers are a little gray because it doesn't account for multiple offenses, etc, but from a simplified assumption of 1:1 ratio it shows an overall crime rate of about 4%.  This is far below the crime rate of those obtaining concealed carry permits.

      While I understand and can appreciate that you are opposed to licensed people carrying (concealed) handguns, your position that this leads to violent crime doesn't add up.

    •  I think memories (0+ / 0-)

      would probably depend to a very great degree upon which kind of communities you lived in and remembered.


      Violent crime may not have increased overall as a category, but drilling down into the stats might tell you about which kinds of violent crimes have decreased and if the number of mass shootings have increased, which is a very specific subset of violent crime.

      Also doesn't tell why the feeling that one needs to carry a handgun in public has increased.  Which is something, that I as a citizen find to be a disturbing statistic.

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      by a gilas girl on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 10:52:28 AM PST

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  •  Oh my.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Kasoru, notrouble

    More disturbing is the changing carry laws wherein nearly every public place has become a new version of “Tomestone.”

    Where are the shoot-outs-in-the-streets we keep being warned of?

    And where is spell-check when you need it?

    Your hate-mail will be graded.

    by PavePusher on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 10:51:07 AM PST

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