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And who else would have done this besides right wingers in Israel?

Where's all the media bloviating and hyperventilating as experienced with assassination of a foreign leader that America supports, like Rafic Hariri assassination?

Will there be special UN tribunal for Arafat's assassination like there was for Hariri assassination? Will the US veto it?

Am I missing something here? If so, I will update or delete diary.

Swiss scientists have concluded Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is likely to have died from polonium poisoning, according to a text of their findings published by Al-Jazeera television Wednesday.

The results of tests on Arafat’s remains “moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with polonium-210,” said the 108-page analysis posted on Al-Jazeera’s website.

“New toxicological and radio-toxicological investigations were performed, demonstrating unexpectedly high-levels of polonium-210 and lead-210 activity in many of the analysed specimens,” said the report penned by 10 experts at the Vaudois University Hospital Centre (CHUV).

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  •  Hamas perhaps (7+ / 0-)

    or some other extremist group that did not favor accomodation with Israel. Perhaps elements in Fatah who didn't like that he was a billionaire.

  •  Isn't polonium Putin's M.O.? (10+ / 0-)

    Was Pooty Poot involved or does someone want us to think he was?

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:04:12 PM PST

  •  more fuel for the middle east fire n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Well, so much for the rumor, (8+ / 0-)

    gleefully propagated throughout Israeli media, that Arafat was a downlow gay who died of AIDS.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:12:36 PM PST

    •  not really since the report isn't (3+ / 0-)

      conclusive on the cause of death

      The results of tests on Arafat’s remains “moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with polonium-210,” said the 108-page analysis posted on Al-Jazeera’s website.
      •  And the rest of us have lower levels of polonium? (0+ / 0-)

        I mean we all have some in us, right, so couldn't be the cause of death

        good try

        "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

        by merrywidow on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:27:55 PM PST

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      •  "moderately support" the proposition (0+ / 0-)

        That's not the most unqualified verification I ever heard.

        Who the hell remembers Arafat, anyway?

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:34:21 PM PST

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      •  Agreed, HOWEVER (0+ / 0-)

        Polonium 210's half life means backtracking the dosage at the time after death the samples were taken is difficult which is why they use the phrase "moderately support"

        Again agreed this is only one laboratory which made their analysis on behalf of his widow and Al Jazeera and could be presented as biased - and no doubt will.

        HOWEVER

        1) The exhumation was only done after previous results showed elevated levels of Polonium 210 in his personal effects. The practice is generally regarded as haraam unless for specific purposes so it is very much a last resort when the subject has been properly buried.

        2) there are several other laboratories which are examining samples taken from Arafat's grave and body. If the later results confirm the presence of probably lethal doses of Polonium, perhaps you would have the courtesy to concede that the doubts you express are wrong.

        We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 04:39:21 PM PST

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      •  Polonium 210 is NOT something (0+ / 0-)

        that shows up in anyone's body by coincidence or by accident.

        (Unless you are a (sloppy) nuclear chemist, I suppose.)

        •  Certainly not (0+ / 0-)

          at levels at least 18 times normal levels in both his body and the soil in his grave.

          We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

          by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:11 PM PST

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  •  I doubt that it was right-wingers in Israel, not (8+ / 0-)

    because I view them as kind and decent, but because 1) I don't think he would be one of their top priority targets. They hate Israeli leftists and peace activists much more; and 2) You'd have to have some real access to Arafat to pull this off.
    But all this is speculation -- the truth is that Arafat had enough enemies to kill him many times over: some of them in his own circle, some from competing Palestinian groups, and yes, of course, some from Israel. Without any other evidence, there's no way to know who actually killed him.  

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    by Tamar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:17:30 PM PST

    •  The Israeli right needed Arafat (0+ / 0-)

      as a bogeyman to justify their ongoing demonization of Palestinians and refusal to enter into a real peace process.  I think Ariel Sharon and Arafat understood each other all too well and each used the other to whip their own base into a violent froth.

      I spoke some years ago with an Israeli who was in the army when the PLO was being expelled from Lebanon.  At one point he had Arafat in his gun sight and asked his CO if he should shoot him.  The CO said no.

  •  p.s. in answer to your question, Yes, you're (6+ / 0-)

    missing something here. I would revise your diary -- it's interesting that the Swiss scientists come to this conclusion, but your conclusion is way out of line because it's based on absolutely nothing.
    (and anyone here will tell you I'm no Israeli apologist. I get attacked for my criticisms of Israel).

    While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

    by Tamar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:20:45 PM PST

  •  And who wouldn't have done it? (4+ / 0-)

    The KGB, to make sure he doesn't blab.

    The PLO, to make sure he doesn't blab.

    Hamas and various other Palestinian rivals.

    The CIA.

    The Israeli left wing (there is not a single human being who dealt with Arafat and felt any moral compunctions against killing him).

    Political rivals in the West Bank.

    Rival narcotics dealers.

    It was Yasser Arafat.

    •  Colonel Mustard (9+ / 0-)

      was in the library with the lead pipe. So he's in the clear.

      •  cute (1+ / 0-)
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        corvo

        unfortunately, people throughout the middle east and in more reasonable parts of the world don't think this is a joke.

        •  Dude, we're talking about Yasser Arafat. (1+ / 0-)
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          One of the most thoroughly vile people ever spawned from the forehead of Beelzebub.

          If people decide to care more about whether he got whacked 9 years ago at the same time that innocent people are being murdered by the truckload in Syria, then they should accept that the price will be jokes and mockery.

          •  Care can be multitasked, don't you think? (2+ / 0-)
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            And anyway, Arafat had plenty of competition in the "thoroughly vile" category.  Ariel Sharon, for starters.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 05:09:10 PM PST

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            •  That's not the intent here. (0+ / 0-)

              Arafat's bones are being trotted out to divert media attention from the complete failure to do anything decent and competent in Syria, on part of everyone there.

              And anyway, Ariel Sharon did not deal drugs.

              •  huh? (0+ / 0-)

                The Palestinians in general, and Mrs. Arafat in particular, want attention diverted away from Syria?

                You're making this up, aren't you?

                Sharon may or may not have dealt drugs -- who knows for sure how much illegal business he and his family were involved in -- but he sure knew how to wipe out an entire village.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 09:47:51 AM PST

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          •  1 person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter (1+ / 0-)
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            arafat certainly ordered terrorist attacks in Israel...

            but the fact remains, he was the leader of palestine, a country denied existence by greedy israeli wingnuts who steal land more and more land every year as punishment to the palestinians for daring to resist their overwhelming force in the area. and the fact remains that this leader of palestine was assassinated. that assassination was ignored by the US and Israel. i smell guilt.  we're talking about GWB and Cheney for christ's sake, speaking of Satan's spawn.

            there's a word for what israel has been doing: BULLY.

            •  1 person's gangster is another's gangster. (0+ / 0-)

              He was a drug dealing mafioso with a political sideline.

              The only reason people speak highly of Arafat is that they have a lot invested in the abstraction that he stood for: the founding leader of the Palestinian nationalist movement. The abstraction might have had worthy attributes. Arafat did not. He was pure distilled scum. In every possible way. He was the kind of guy who only stayed alive because it was impolitic to kill him, not because there was anything inherently wrong with doing it.

              •  Drunk the Kosheraid? (0+ / 0-)

                Obviously you have swallowed the Israeli propaganda hook line and sinker.

                Undoubtedly we would consider him corrupt by most European standards (not so much in the US) because of his income however Arafat got a lot of latitude from Palestinians as Father of the Nation. His faults included his failure to address the more general corruption among the Fatah hierarchy - one of the factors that led to the defeat by Hammas in the last elections (and in both parts of Palestine, not just the Gaza exclave)

                We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 06:24:59 PM PST

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                •  Yes, he got a lot of lattitude. (0+ / 1-)
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                  Not because he deserved it, but because of the title he took for himself. "Father of the nation." Palestinians respect the "father of the nation." They don't respect Yasser Arafat any more than I do. But I have no vested interest in pretending Arafat wasn't scum. He was. And I have nothing to lose from pointing it out.

                  •  Yes you do (0+ / 0-)

                    I will refrain from accusing you of being one of the paid shrillers the Israeli government employ but your immoderate comments and unsubstantiated accusations are not productive. Most of them are so disruptive it has been quite hard which to award a donut.

                    We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                    by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 06:32:35 PM PST

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    •  they all did it n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:47:28 PM PST

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      •  I did it. (0+ / 0-)

        Except I used strichnine.

        •  cute (2+ / 0-)
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          PeterHug, Lib Dem FoP

          israeli are you?  steal any land from brown people lately? the answer is yes.

          i have talked with right wingish israeli once that have lived in israel. he thought of palestinians and muslims in general as less than dogs. they are subhuman to him. i was actually shocked at the level of hostility but it gave me a good idea of why this thing keeps going on and on... i'm sure the palestinians feel about the same at this point.

          but who is stealing more and more land at this point? israel.

          •  Accurate. (0+ / 0-)

            "israeli are you?" Yes.

            "steal any land from brown people lately?" I grew up around brown Jewish refugees from Morocco. Didn't steal land them

            •  I don't think gnosticator (0+ / 0-)

              was referring to "brown Jewish refugees from Morocco" in his comment.

              ...just a random stab in the dark...

              •  I thing gnosticator should watch his words. (0+ / 0-)

                Accusing someone of theft merely for his nationality?

                Poor form.

                •  The point may be that institutionally (1+ / 0-)
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                  there are some forms of theft that are difficult to avoid on some level merely as a result of participating in a given economy.  One example would be me - living in the United States, I am nearly automatically complicit at some level in the theft of the continent from the Native Americans who were here first.

                  Another example that would apply to both of us is that as citizens of reasonably developed countries we both emit far more CO2 than is sustainable, and to that extent we are both stealing our children's futures as well as the future of our global ecosystem.

                  An interesting example within the Israeli context was presented today on DailyKos by assaf - in which he discusses a report by Karnit FLug, who is now Governor of Israel's Central Bank that details how Israel's exploitation of the Occupied Territories led to a sustained economic expansion within Israel proper.  If you were a participant in the Israeli economy during that time (1967 - 1973) - and regardless of your personal opinion of the Occupation - it is completely impossible for you not to have derived significant benefit (and therefore "stolen") from the appropriation of resources from the inhabitants of the newly Occupied Territories.

                  •  And Sharon was snow white (0+ / 0-)

                    but he drifted.

                    The Israeli State Attorney's Office intends to close the corruption case against former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, due to a lack of sufficient evidence, Haaretz reported on Monday.

                    The case against Sharon and his two sons Omri and Gilad, known as the Cyril Kern Affair, is based on allegations that Sharon received millions of dollars in bribes from Kern, a South African businessman, and from the Austrian businessman Martin Schlaff, through his sons.

                    A review by the Tel Aviv District Attorney's Office concluded that the case should be closed due to a lack of evidence.

                    The decision to close the case was also based on the fact that Sharon is unfit to undergo a trial as he has been in a coma since suffering a stroke in early 2006

                    The stroke somewhat handily happened shortly after his son was arrested. Sharon is not the only Israeli politician to have a "ranch" acquired from rather dubious funds as ocschwar  really ought to remember before he throws out more unsubstantiated comments about Arafat. I recognized the corruption within the PLO that led to the electoral victory of Hamas - maybe he would like to concede that corruption is also endemic in the Israel political system, in part because of the need to get funds for the interminable campaigning resulting from their unstable proportional voting system.

                    We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                    by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 07:32:43 PM PST

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          •  American are you? Responsible for 100s of (1+ / 0-)
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            1000s of deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq? The answer is yes.

            I advocate for Palestinian rights and am very critical of Israel Check out some of my diaries and look at this article I wrote a couple of weeks ago:
            http://www.the-broad-side.com/...

            But I think you're over the top with your personal attacks on some of the commenters.

            While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

            by Tamar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 06:53:11 PM PST

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            •  I'm not sure this is a personal attack - (0+ / 0-)

              I read it as an observation (see my comment above) to the effect that if you participate in a society, you are inextricably tied to the collective acts and policies of that society, even if you don't agree with them.

              So, yes - I (and you) are responsible for the catastrophes in Iraq and Afghanistan.  And Isarelis are similarly responsible for what is done in their name in the Occupied Territories.

              •  I don't disagree with that. I was just pointing (0+ / 0-)

                out that the same could be said of any of us who are American (which I am).
                I really found the diarist's vituperative responses to reasonable discussion of what might have happened to be out of line.
                (And criticizing Arafat is not the same thing being anti-Palestine. Just like my criticisms of Netanyahu don't make me anti-Israel)

                While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

                by Tamar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 07:05:14 PM PST

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      •  a la Murder on the Orient Express. (1+ / 0-)
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        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:15:49 PM PST

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        •  they did all have motive n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:20:35 PM PST

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          •  But not (0+ / 0-)

            the means and opportunity.

            The levels of lead, also tested for, in combination with the Polonium indicate it originated in a reactor. It was ingested during a meal and ONLY Yasser Arafat was affected which implies it was administered by somebody on his staff or in his household.  That sort of access would have been unlikely to be available to a foreign national.

            We then get to surmise what that person's motive might have been and I would suggest the most likely are money or blackmail. Given that the very personal affection that Palestinians held for him, the latter seems more likely. Now which of the national/political suspects have a long record of holding family members in detention and using other means in order to put pressure on people to act against the interests of Palestinians by becoming agents? I'll give you a clue, when things get too hot for them within Palestine (in particular the exclave), they are offered homes in Ashqelon

            We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

            by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 07:50:24 PM PST

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    •  It was John Wilkes Booth. (2+ / 0-)
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      "He's been dead for almost 150 years," you say?

      That's just what he wants you to think, the crafty bastard.

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      by JamesGG on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:59:00 PM PST

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    •  It was <group I already dislike most> (1+ / 0-)
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      ocschwar

      Just like the JFK assassination.

  •  Who else? (11+ / 0-)

    Jordan. Have you ever heard of "Black September?" Look it up.

    Hamas. You might have heard of them. Not huge fans of negotiations with Israel.

    Fatah. Maybe they wanted to keep at least $0.02 out of every dollar of aid coming their way.

    Russia. Polonium is their game.

    Nobody. Look up "moderately."

    This is a tremendously silly diary.

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    by dhonig on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:35:54 PM PST

  •  Ask his wife (6+ / 0-)

    The list of those who have actually tried to kill him and those that  would probably like to have killed him is incredibly long and diverse, including almost as many internal rivals as external enemies. His wife refused to implicate the Israelis and admitted to the long list. Maybe she knows, maybe she doesn't, but none of it adds up. Arafat never experienced hair loss, or several of the other unavoidable classic symptoms of radiation poisoning either. While I would not put it past Israeli intelligence to assasinate him,  Bibi in particular had much to gain from having Arafat in power because Arafat had proven that he would never actually agree to a permanent peace with Israel, which would end Bibi's political career if it ever occurred. Arafat would not accept yes for an answer and Bibi loved him for it. It doesn't look like they have provided anymore real answers as to who did it or how, or if he was even murdered at all...but it sure makes for an even more intriguing narrative and enduring mystery.

    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

    by bywaterbob on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:45:52 PM PST

    •  Clever BUT you are dead wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      as I point out above, this laboratory was commissioned by Arafat's wife and Al Jazeera

      Arafat did in fact suffer from a number of symptoms associated with acute polonium poisoning.

      First, the scientists felt that the acute onset of gastro-intestinal symptoms in Arafat, who first fell ill four hours after eating dinner in October 2004, as well as the progressive deterioration of his state in the following weeks were "compatible with ingestion of a large quantity of radioactivity". That Arafat died one month after the onset of symptoms also supported the idea of an acute intoxication. Similarly, the development of Arafat's final symptoms, and his death from a blood condition known as disseminated intravascular coagulation, or DIC, was "compatible with an acute toxin pathology, possibly the radiosotope polonium-210"
      The report also covers your point about hair loss.
      Examining the case against the theory of possible polonium poisoning, the team said that the "acute radiation syndrome" that polonium poisoning would have caused often includes hair-loss and decreased bone marrow activity, while Arafat had not lost his hair or displayed the bone marrow symptoms. But the team said those two factors were not always found in poisoning cases. They were more often associated with external radiation exposure, not always with internal exposure. For Arafat to have been killed by polonium-210, he would have need to have ingested the poison and would have been exposed internally.

      We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 04:49:43 PM PST

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      •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

        I thought Litivenko was the typical case. The literature I have seen lists hair loss as a classic symptom. If I am wrong about that I apologize.

        http://warincontext.org/...

        Suha Arafat "did not accuse any country or person, and acknowledged that the historic leader of the Palestine Liberation Organization had many enemies."

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        If I am as wrong as you think,  I am relying on these sources which must have sent me astray...you might want to take it up with them.

        Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

        by bywaterbob on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 08:46:44 PM PST

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  •  one of those (1+ / 0-)
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    very few people care about type of news. Poor beloved Arafat.

  •  I am leaning Putin (0+ / 0-)

    first because they have a known propensity to choose this method...and second...because they were the one nation to proclaim he was not.

  •  Detailed articles in German and Dutch newspapers (2+ / 0-)
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    corvo, gnosticator

    http://www.taz.de/...

    http://www.trouw.nl/...

    This is a bigger deal than it might seem from the usual U.S. perspective which tends to be heavily weighted toward one side irrespective of facts.

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    by lotlizard on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:10:37 PM PST

  •  I am reminded of Rasputin's death. (1+ / 0-)
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    He was poisoned (cyanide), shot, clubbed in the head, and his body thrown into the river. The old story was that he died of drowning.

    Arafat may have had polonium in his body, but that is not necessarily what killed him. Of course, even if it didn't kill him it was probably intended to do so. You don't accidentally ingest polonium.

  •  I am not disputing your (unsaid) (0+ / 0-)

    reasons why we aren't reacting and I am not addressing them purposefully as I can't have that conversation right now.

    But I think there is an additional reason besides what I think you think. These findings are detached in time from when he died by years. The American public and media and thus the politicians who'd have the power to act on this, have a very short attention span. The American pubic we have seen acts very differently to knowledge far after the fact than to in the moment real world sensationalism. Not that that is a good thing.

    I would hope/expect that the US officially should at least condemn whoever ie "whoever" did this if they have not.

    I don't think many people know who Rafic Hariri is. You might flesh that out briefly so ignorant (like me) readers will be more drawn in to your diary. Specifically they'd be able to see more clearly the unfairness of the contrast in how each case is/was treated. That would in fact support your case.

    Regardless, good for you to bring up such contrasts and questions. Sunlight is almost always the best disinfectant. If we are going to by hypocritical and biased often it is good to know why

    Remember I don't know the details of the other case, sorry I don't have time to look it up.

  •  also, at first I thought your diary was very old (0+ / 0-)

    that somehow got reposted because of the title.

  •  Reuters article datelined Nov. 6 in English, here: (0+ / 0-)

    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

    by lotlizard on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 11:48:32 PM PST

  •  For some context on Arafat and Israeli rela- (0+ / 0-)

    tionships and a bunch more potentially illuminating background, you might consider reading this fairly long "Atlantic" article:

    "In a Ruined Country: How Yasser Arafat Destroyed Palestine"

    http://www.theatlantic.com/...

    Makes it pretty clear it was all "just business."

    Too bad the partisanship and shillery and effects of paragraph-length verbal warfare kind of keep people from looking at larger themes and structures. And seeking lessons not on how to help each other live better, but how to defeat others and win verbal points.

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 04:21:36 AM PST

  •  How about Hamas as culprit? (1+ / 0-)
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    If they will murder Fatah members on the street why wouldn't they poison its leader?

    "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

    by JNEREBEL on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 10:18:21 AM PST

  •  Russian report results are inconclusive (0+ / 0-)

    on identifying the toxin.

    Another sign Hamas could have been involved.

    "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

    by JNEREBEL on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 12:22:06 PM PST

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