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So by now, a lot of you must have heard of the relocationof the Braves from Atlanta to the neighboring Cobb County.

The Atlanta Braves plan to build a new stadium in Cobb County and move there from Turner Field at the start of the 2017 season, team officials said Monday.

Braves executives John Schuerholz, Mike Plant and Derek Schiller, in a meeting with a small group of reporters, said the new ballpark will be built at the northwest intersection of I-75 and I-285 in the Galleria/Cumberland Mall area. They said the team has “secured” approximately 60 acres of land for the project.

The Braves said the stadium is projected to cost $672 million, including parking, land and infrastructure, and will be built in partnership with Cobb County.

Schiller said the Braves will be a “significant investor” in building the stadium but refused to disclose how much the team will spend. “At this point in time, we are working with Cobb County, and when those details of our exact arrangement become final, we will let you know,” Schiller said.

The Braves officials also declined to provide specifics regarding the public funding. “It is through Cobb County, and Cobb County will be responsible for delineating the various buckets of dollars,” Schiller said.

I was hoping someone would start a diary on this because I don't have the time to put out a well researched diary.  But here goes some of my thoughts.

Since it remains in the same region, you will not hear protests from team fans as much as the loyalties are not broken. BUt there is a lot of anger from people in region about taxpayer waste. Turner Field was carved out of a brand new Olympic Stadium which was built only for the Olympics and nothing else. They did a good job converting into a fine baseball stadium which still looks good.

I usually sympathize with the sentiment that we should not give government a free check to do anything, especially sports. I am huge sports nut, but I hate the way politicians OF BOTH parties have given away taxpayer funds in many cities to build new stadiums. Turner Field was built at a time when luxury box seats were already prevalent/

But as much as I find legitimacy in the notion that one needs to develop a healthy skepticism over government expenditures, the reason why I am not a republican is it has become such a racist party.  Just read the articles on AJC.com about this and half the comments are flat out racist. Instead of breaking down why redevelopment near Turner field was such a failure in non race based terms, they go on and on insulting African Americans. It's lke they express outrage over government expenditure only because of who is in government. When Kasim Reed was lobbying for funds for the Falcons new stadium , there was a big protest from all classes of people and justifiably so. However, the initial reaction we get from the suburban republicans about the Braves stadium issue  is not outrage over their government luring the team with LOTS of public money, but giddiness at a chance to insult fellow americans who happen to be black.

The democratic government of the city of atlanta and fulton county has to bear some responsibility for the hilarious waste of money they have tried in redeveloping some areas. Even now, Reed is making promises he can't keep by talking about how they have proposals to redevelop the Turner Field area. They couldn't when the Braves were in place. What are they going to do now?  The city of Atlana has wasted money trying to redevelop Underground,. THey have done a horrible job arranging public transportation for Braves games.

A lot of the comments are not only insulting African americans in that area around Turner Field, but also paranoid claims about feeling so scared of the crime in that area. I have walked in that area for a couple of games and while some of the areas are a testament to individual and government failure, it is nowhere as dangerous as they say it is. I think when someone automatically sees a black poor man, they automatically assume he is up to no good. Racist fuckers.

 Cobb County is full of tea party types. They whine like hell when it is government funding for a program like education or food stamps to the needy. It will be interesting how they plan on getting the money for the new Braves stadium. And how they can reconcile that funding with their opposition to government spending on worthier causes.

I also would like to know which person in the 90s signed off on such a 20 year agreement . The government should have at least demanded an option that the team could only break with some pentalties.

Let's see how republicans in the state will react when they hear the inevitable request for adding lanes to relieve congestion in the busy intersection of I-285 and 75 to meet the increased traffic on Braves game days . Will they be careful with state funds  in sucha case? I don't think so. Because it is not food stamps or education related funding atr which point these types have no fiscal responsibility.

Originally posted to pravin on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 03:41 PM PST.

Also republished by Kos Georgia.

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  •  Cobb County Is Changing (9+ / 0-)
    Cobb County is full of tea party types.
    Reagan got close to 80% there in 1984, Bush I broke 70% in 1988, Shurb got about 60% both in 2000 and 2004, and Obama broke 40% in both 2008 and 20012.  The train seems to be headed in one direction.

    If the Braves do end up moving to Cobb maybe they will do what they should have done 16 years ago and named the stadium for Hank Aaron instead of feeding Ted Turner's ego by naming it Turner Fields.

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    by RoIn on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:01:42 PM PST

  •  Did a minor tag edit (3+ / 0-)
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    to separate terms with commas so they show up as individual tags.

    As for the topic -- I wasn't aware that stadiums have a shelf-life.

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    by Cali Scribe on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:17:21 PM PST

    •  The shelf life for stadiums seems to (1+ / 0-)
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      grow shorter and shorter. I thought the Georgia Dome was still reasonably new, but they're building a new stadium just a little past 20 years after it opened.

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      by Lily O Lady on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:56:57 PM PST

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    •  Oh they definitely do (3+ / 0-)

      Not always of course. I don't think anyone's especially interested in replacing Fenway Park or Wrigley Field for example.

      Shea Stadium opened in 1964; it was replaced in 2009. Candlestick Park? Opened in '60 but the Giants left in 2000 to move to...ummmm...it's only 13 years old and has had three names already. So there's that.

      Even Yankee Stadium got replaced.

      My suspicion is that the smartest teams (Baltimore and SF for example) now are the ones focused on building downtown parks with the intention of sticking around for a long, long time. That strategy works in places like Baltimore and San Francisco where downtown remains a focal point; it won't work in cities where there's lots of nearby suburban development.

      •  Interesting chart on Deadspin about it... (3+ / 0-)
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        http://deadspin.com/...

        Vast majority of moves since 1970 have been toward the center of the city.  This is really an anomaly.

        Another interesting thing about this move is that they're not going to consult the taxpayers of cobb county about it.  They don't have to unless it's for new taxes and they're planning on just raising existing taxes.  That should really appeal to the 'baggers of suburban Atlanta.

        http://deadspin.com/...

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        by dougymi on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:24:40 PM PST

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      •  I'd want to replace those ugly things... (0+ / 0-)

        ...they put up in the '60s too.

        Not a single one of those multisport venues (Candlestick, RFK, Riverfront, the various 'Domes) was a good place to watch baseball.

        You can make multisport venues work with football and soccer, or with basketball and hockey, but baseball requires a dedicated stadium with the right shape and feel.

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        by JamesGG on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:27:32 PM PST

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        •  I'm not a fan of domes (2+ / 0-)
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          Especially in the south.  Baseball is meant to be played outdoors in my opinion.

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          by alpolitics on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:33:00 PM PST

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          •  Amen to that. (1+ / 0-)
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            Baseball belongs outdoors, with the blue sky and the chance of rainouts and natural grass and the fresh breeze flowing through the ballpark.

            Football too. I think the Vikings keep giving up their single greatest home-field advantage by insisting on playing under a dome/roof, when they could be forcing those warm-weather teams like the Buccaneers and the Saints to come up to Minnesota and play in the freezing winter (like they do in Green Bay).

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            by JamesGG on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 06:16:47 PM PST

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        •  Royals' stadium was built in 1973, so it won't (0+ / 0-)

          count in your list (the bonds were approved in 1967), but it's a terrific park and dedicated to the KC Royals.  It's now called Kauffman stadium after the longtime owner.

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  •  Name change: Cobb Corn... (3+ / 0-)

    ...Field of Dreams.

  •  The Joke is Dems supporting regressive Taxes.. (3+ / 0-)
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    ..to finance stadiums, as Dems in Minnesota recently did for the Vikings.

    You ask why a 90s-era Dem would sign off on such an agreement?  Even if we assume he/she knew it was a bad deal, the assumption is that in 20 years, he'll no longer be a public servant.  In the meantime, he probably secured access for his friends/family to luxury suites.

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    by PatriciaVa on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:24:23 PM PST

  •  There are still people alive today in Boston that (5+ / 0-)

    are sore about the Braves moving to Atlanta in the first place. ;)

    But seriously, I share your skepticism about the overall wisdom of so much taxpayer money going into the building of new sports stadia, especially when it's not strictly necessary.

  •  If the Braves leave the city for the suburbs, (4+ / 0-)
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    they turn their back, as an organization, on the least among their fans. Suburban families can get to the city to watch. The same is not necessarily true for those in the city if the team is in the 'burbs.

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    by Captain Sham on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:33:05 PM PST

    •  Captian S - do the Braves offer inexpensive (0+ / 0-)

      seats to make it affordable for low income inner city residents?

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:53:06 PM PST

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    •  Think that matters to them? (1+ / 0-)
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      "The least among their fans" weren't going to shell out $100 for a jersey or $9 for a beer, to say nothing of spending $75 to get the good seats instead of the $10 nosebleeds.

      As far as the Braves are concerned, "the least among their fans" may as well just watch at home and save tickets for the people who will spend another $150 more than their tickets cost when they come to the ballpark.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:54:56 PM PST

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    •  Except that they might in this case (1+ / 0-)
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      If transportation is improved which it could be.  

      The mayor of Atlanta just dialed it in this one anyways instead of trying to keep them

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      by alpolitics on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:34:14 PM PST

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  •  i share your concern, and doubts that Rs will care (2+ / 0-)
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    that building the new stadium will require tax money to do so. Maybe Cobb Co., will get the state to pay for it rather than local tax, therefore getting residents in other parts of the state to subsidize their sports team.  GA loves to build bigger wider roads rather than investing in public transit, i guarantee the roads will get wider to accommodate teabagger assholes who end up attending the games in their Hummers and SUVs.

  •  don't voters in Cobb county get a say? (1+ / 0-)
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    The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

    by gossamer1234 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:42:19 PM PST

  •  Dude, it's GEORGIA (1+ / 0-)
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    Just read the articles on AJC.com about this and half the comments are flat out racist. Instead of breaking down why redevelopment near Turner field was such a failure in non race based terms, they go on and on insulting African Americans.
    All this tells us is, "ain't a damn thing changed."

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    by Jank2112 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:49:54 PM PST

    •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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      The A's are trying to relocate to San Jose and if you want to read some really racist stuff, check out any story in SFGate.com about it.  You'll hear all about 'the hood' that surrounds the Coliseum, 'crime', blah blah blah.  The same kind of crap on AJC.com that the diarist cited.

      Yeah, the 'liberal' Bay Area.  Any story about Oakland brings the racists out of the woodwork.

      you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

      by Dem Beans on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:54:57 PM PST

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  •  Anybody looking for more in-depth coverage.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...and a sensible, moderated comments section, head over to Field of Schemes.

    Message to Dems: We HAVE to start showing up for Midterms.

    by Jank2112 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:51:32 PM PST

  •  That area is already one of my traffic (6+ / 0-)

    nightmares. So lets add a huge sports stadium to increase the horror. Moving away from MARTA seems stupid to me.

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    by Lily O Lady on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:00:17 PM PST

  •  Braves Relocation Trivia (0+ / 0-)

    Who is the only one to have played for the Boston Braves, Milwaukee Braves and Atlanta Braves?

  •  I have a different viewpoint on this (0+ / 0-)

    Turner field aka the Ted is stand alone from everything else. You can't walk there from anywhere.  There is no Marta station right there. It's not in the heart of downtown or even close enough to where the Dome sits now or Phillips arena.  There are no restaurants or bars within walking distance.  I'd feel differently if it were more centrally located in Atlanta and if folks could get there on public transportation.  

    There is not currently Marta running through Cobb but maybe it becomes part of the deal.  

    I'm just not feeling the outrage on this one.  The team made what I feel like was  a prudent decision. I'm not validating the "safety concerns".  I don't think that even factors into the equation here.  

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    by alpolitics on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:26:04 PM PST

    •  Agreed about location (3+ / 0-)

      And this is where the original politicians messed up. And I acknowledged the many pipe dream projects that failed. I also put some responsibility on the locals and city government for the failure of that area.

      The outrage is that a  20 year old stadium built on public funds is going to be devoid of major tenants so soon and the stadium is still in good shape. Teams are asking for palaces instead of stadiums.

      •  Particularly since they (0+ / 0-)

        did a reasonably decent job of preserving the 'where stuff was' history of the older stadium - I have memories of going by the Hank Aaron home run marker in the parking lot before games at Turner Field the first few season they were there. They even had the old plate and base locations marked in the payment; little kids would run off steam before going in by running the bases out there.

        It was a change and I missed the way the wave used to get going in Fulton Co. Stadium, but it was still the same physical space.

        But out in Cobb County? That connection to the history of the team is going to be GONE.

        And one of the main justifications for the expenses of the Olympic Stadium was that it would be repurposed for baseball afterward. So now no baseball, and at the cost of millions and millions it is no longer the right shape for any other sport.

        •  Most Olympic stadiums are imploded (1+ / 0-)
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          So at least they get an additional 20 years out of it.

          If there was real investment around the stadium this would have not happened.

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          by alpolitics on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 06:52:42 PM PST

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          •  And a lot of those Olympic cities are in debt (0+ / 0-)

            It is stupid to throw away a perfectly fine stadium just because a minority of fans won't be spending time in the adjacent street drinking at a bar. Most of the families that the Braves will be catering to in Cobb County are not the types that will hang out at late night bars after the game anyway. I know I have stopped at the Vortex on the way back from a couple of Pirates games at the Ted( I am a pirates fan). I didn't need to walk up the street to get something to eat.

            The city was flat out stupid to take up all respnsibility to develop that area. Braves should have bought some surrounding properties if they wanted to profit from the surrounding areas.

  •  Well, Obviously the City of Atlanta (1+ / 0-)
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    didn't offer the owner(s) of the Braves a sweet enough deal (read: corporate welfare) to keep the stadium and team in the city.

    I doubt it has much to do with racism.. it's all about MONEY with the sports cartels.

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    by Superpole on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:35:51 PM PST

    •  Braves , the team, is not racist (0+ / 0-)

      I was talking about the feedback from fans in the region. If this was the Hawks getting a similar offer from Kasim Reed, you can cue the racist taunts about government money doling those teams favored by the african americans free money.

      Braves, the team, is merely being as opportunistic as a lot of sports teams these days. It is the job of governments not to kowtow to this crap.

  •  Braves' apathy rampant in GA (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, but my goodness, the Braves are perennial winners after years of being perennial also-rans.  But even in their glory days, they couldn't sell out the Ted very often - even for playoff games.

    Part of it is football >>>>>> baseball in the South.

    Also part of it is traffic in Atlanta is awful.

    Also part of it is racially-motivated.  Downtown Atlanta is not exactly where many white Atlantans care to be at night (Buckhead the exception but Buckhead is SPENDY!).

    It might help attendance a bit, but one thing is guaranteed:

    There will be even FEWER black fans at Braves games in the future.  The attempts to reach out to black Braves fans with signings of the Upton brothers and Jason Heyward didn't seem to have much of an impact and now with this move, even fewer.  

    Hate to say it, but having lived 10 years in Memphis:

    White southerners love college football and have their kids play football and baseball.

    Black southerners love college football and have their kids play football and basketball.

    •  In the early years of the Braves' streak (2+ / 0-)
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      the attendance was fine.  It was the constant playoff disappointments that caused the apathy.

      As for race, it seems there are a lot of black fans in attendance for the Falcons games - maybe it's a matter of interest.  Baseball is boring!

      But as someone with a house in Austell and who went to high school in Powder Springs, there are a lot of black residents (and latino) in south Cobb, if they're interested.

    •  Sad but true (0+ / 0-)

       I have to agree that as a whole baseball suffers because of the fact that football is king in Georgia and that is has to do with location and racial tensions as well. I think attendance (which will be mostly white) will go up in Cobb County. I agree that the Braves have failed to reach black fans despite their efforts and their move to Cobb reflects that they are giving up.
        I agree with you that white residents tend to like the Bulldogs (SEC), but in my personal experience black residents follow the Falcon (NFL) instead. I meet very few blacks who care for UGA, at least in the parts of the state I am in, UGA is still a `white` school. I mean, only 7% of UGA undergrads were "African American/ Black" last year (74% white), pretty shocking for the flagship public university in a state where 30% of the residents are "African American/ Black".
       

  •  What this is all about... (7+ / 0-)

    Well, not what the Braves say it is about.

    The decry the difficulty in getting to the Ted.  While there isn't a MARTA stop 'at' the stadium, and there is a lot of complaining about the bus shuttles from Five Points, Georgia State station is less than a mile away up Capitol Ave., and a safe walk.  Of course, mass transit to the new site is non-existent.

    75/285 is the most congested area in the city.  There is no current exit from 75 to the new site - you have to get off south of 285 or at Windy Hill to get there.  This area is a parking lot every single day from 4-7 pm.  I'm sure adding 40K people to the mix on game days won't be a problem.

    It isn't about the cost of upgrading the Ted.  The Braves got an amazing sweetheart deal on that stadium - and the conversion from the Olympic Stadium was planned all along.  The original design was for a baseball park with the 'temporary' part of the Olympic Stadium glommed onto the outfield.  The Braves paid only for the baseball conversion - less than 1/4 of their contribution to this stadium.  

    Given the way this went down, the secrecy of it, the way Cobb is handling it (oh, by the way - Cobb cut 182 teachers this year to deal with an $86 million shortfall), tells me that there are some folks with property interests in the Circle 75 area, probably with inside info on this deal, who stand to make a few dollars off of it.

    "You want it to be one way. But its the other way." - Marlo Stansfield

    by bertrand on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:40:38 PM PST

    •  Yep, good points (3+ / 0-)
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      I live in Sandy Springs and traffic on the north end and west ends in the direction of the new stadium will be hell on game nights.

      And one of the reasons why MARTA is so inefficient is the suburbanites keep sabotaging efforts to expand it. So it is tough to make it a region wide system that could attract better management. If the white republicans can buy into MARTA, they could be helping making it better instead of looking in glee at it being a very average run system.

      •  Well, that assumes they have any interest... (0+ / 0-)

        in having a good system with better management.  They don't.  This would just make it more efficient for the hordes of criminals to take public transportation to their neighborhoods and rob them.

        I've probably logged several hundred trips on the MARTA rail system.  I've never once seen anyone board the train with a flat screen under his arm.

        "You want it to be one way. But its the other way." - Marlo Stansfield

        by bertrand on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 07:00:02 PM PST

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        •  yep, i never felt unsafe in MARTA (0+ / 0-)

          I mean, they definitely need to do a better job at the stations themselves at night, as I see absolutely no security presence near the platforms. But it doesnt bother me personally as I can handle any problems myself.

          But I personally never witnessed an unsafe situation.

          I personally think MARTA employees are in general pretty mediocre. They do not even have reliable countdown clocks to the next train in some stations. THeir employees are clueless when you ask them when the next train is.

          Still, the whole opposition to MARTA is pure racism. It really comes down to people not wanting "those blacks" from coming to their area.

  •  I read the new stadium will be privately funded - (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll look for the source.  

    Also, the site's address is still Atlanta, so the tax proceeds should remain there.

    The current site is awful to drive to, and irritating to those who use those exits during games who aren't even going to the game, but I don't see how the new site will be better.

  •  Braves relocation (1+ / 0-)
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    Who the hell gives a royal f*#k...its the Atlanta Braves...its the red neckest part of the universe...Bushes over 70%...they are not worth raising an eyebrow over..if they are lucky enough to win their division again the Dodgers will kick the racist butts all the way back to Stone Mountain.

  •  Braves (0+ / 0-)

    remember how many racist threats Henry Aaron received when he was breaking the home run record and how fast the stadium emptied after he hit his record breaking home run? Tell me you really believe the citizens of Cobb and surrounding white bastions have really changed.

  •  Bread and circuses -- it's still a huge waste of (2+ / 0-)
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    public funds in the service of private enterprise.

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    by The Dead Man on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 06:13:10 PM PST

  •  MArlins stadium - a republican politician OKd that (1+ / 0-)
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    Wasn't a Republican in charge when they gave Marlins a sweetheart deal on their new stadium.

  •  All these Braves "fans" should really enjoy when (0+ / 0-)

    they travel north to watch the Braves play the White Sox. It's funny how all those South Side fans have no problems at all going to The Cell in the middle of a racially diverse working poor neighborhood yet these people in Atlanta have issues with going to see the Braves.  

    Deal with it people.  You walk around like you belong there, no one bothers you.

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    by zenbassoon on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 07:10:33 PM PST

  •  Race has been the primary organizing factor in (0+ / 0-)

    American politics since the Civil Rights era.  This shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 07:11:25 PM PST

  •  Most likely there will rely hotel/meals taxes to (0+ / 0-)

    pay for the construction.

    Actually while the stadium was converted from an Olympic venue, the main part of the conversion was the removal of the seats in the outfield area. The primary part of the stadium(i.e. the first and third base line section the "V") was already present.

    It wasn't a conversion like Olympics stadium in Montreal.  They planned to do the conversion, it wasn't an afterthought.

  •  It's a nice stadium to see a game (2+ / 0-)
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    and many of the seats are not that expensive.  It's cheaper to take my family there than to the movies.  But I sure as hell won't drive to Cobb County.

  •  "Crappy deal" for Cobb County. (1+ / 0-)
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    Lily O Lady
    "The notion of stadiums as an economic catalyst is a complete myth...The notion that you are somehow going to get economic benefits from a new stadium and a baseball team in your county that is going to make up for a loss of $450 million... Any economist in the country is going to say there's no possible way to earn that back."

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/...

    Needless to say, Cobb is run by the GOP. Funny how they don't like government picking winners & losers, don't like government creating jobs, unless it has to do with sports (i.e., rich investors).

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 11:25:06 AM PST

  •  I for one am happy (0+ / 0-)

     As much as I know that this deal is partially motivated by the fear of black people that many of the Braves` white fans have, I am happy to see the Braves move. Myself and all the fans I know personally, hate going to Turner to see games. It is in fact a dangerous place (I have had two friends mugged in the parking lots and have heard many similar stories that I can`t confirm). The traffic is terrible as well.
     I am not sure a new stadium can fix these issues, especially where traffic is concerned, but I have never liked Turner, the location or the stadium itself and have always thought the Braves should be in the suburbs.

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